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Tim is right to be worried. While he will couch this as some sort of cockamamie social justice setback, he is really worried about Chinese manufacturering and Apple's offshore cash hoard. Trump isn't going to force Apple to bring jobs back to the US, but there may be a lot more Americans who are suddenly made aware of how Apple does business.
Exactly. Apple have put a lot of money and effort into maintaining an image of themselves as a responsible and pleasant company, that people can trust and that produce great products. But the real Apple is very different from this. The real Apple is a company that is ruthless, very unpleasant to deal with, greedy, manipulative, and regularly shows conduct that pushes the boundaries of what is moral and legal. Apple's conduct is very similar to what would be expected from a white collar criminal organisation.
 
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Not true with regard to revenue generation. FIT collection from California is $7690/person. The national average is higher ($7918).

That's a pretty irrelevant statement with regard to the question under discussion as to which states are net contributors to the Federal government.

Here's a 2014 article. I'm sure you can find others. It's not a 100% perfect red state-blue state match, but the general trend is that the "taker" end is red, and the "payer" end is blue. It's especially true on the "taker" end. Eight of the ten biggest 'takers" are red. On the payer end, of the fourteen payers, eight are blue, five red, and one Ohio. California is one of the net payers.
 
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What was the choice? Voting for the wife of a "philandering misogynist" who totally trashed the reputations of her husband's victims? The one who lied under oath to Congress?

There are plenty of reasons to dislike both candidates.

Bill Clinton wasn't running for President, there's no evidence she intimidated anyone, and she didn't lie to Congress. And if she did all of things, she would still be more qualified than Trump. He actually threatens people with lawsuits and has racked up more lies than any other politician on Politifact.
 
You're either too stupid to realize it costs society more in the end to allow seniors and kids to go hungry and homeless, not to mention remain uneducated, or too much of a selfish prick to care. Public education and land grant universities are responsible for helping millions of people pull themselves out of poverty. I want to pay for education because I don't want to live in a country full of idiots.

Third option is that we actually agree on all of these points but that I am in utter disbelief as to how 1) people continually vote against the very things they need and 2) how people who call themselves patriots continually turn their backs on their fellow Americans.
 
At least we can agree on something.



Semantics, because if you count third-party-candidate votes as votes opposing Trump, he never would have won.



Again, semantics, since those can be connected.

In other words, the people who did not think of the impact an education might have in their aging life in the first place are too dumb to realize they shot themselves in the foot and elected the guy that'll take away something they'll need.
And likewise Bill Clinton would have never become president and by extension his wife would have never made it to the national stage.
 
This is an example of the kind of empty neoliberal rhetoric that led to Trump getting elected.

A company that touts diversity, yet from an economic standpoint, shuts so many people out.

Dr. King was about racial AND economic justice, a Civil Rights Movement AND a Poor People's Campaign, but Tim Cook and his mealy-mouthed subordinates wouldn't understand that.

Dude, learn2commie right.

Everything belongs to the proletariat, because it's the proletariat that makes everything.

In other words, people that make (in whatever way) the iPhones and other Apple products, should own them automatically.
 
Third option is that we actually agree on all of these points but that I am in utter disbelief as to how 1) people continually vote against the very things they need and 2) how people who call themselves patriots continually turn their backs on their fellow Americans.

So you're being sarcastic? Okay...
 
In other words, the people who did not think of the impact an education might have in their aging life in the first place are too dumb to realize they shot themselves in the foot and elected the guy that'll take away something they'll need.

Is it fair to fault me for not having sympathy for people with self inflicted problems?
 
Bill Clinton wasn't running for President, there's no evidence she intimidated anyone, and she didn't lie to Congress. And if she did all of things, she would still be more qualified than Trump. He actually threatens people with lawsuits and has racked up more lies than any other politician on Politifact.

You guys are lost in the weeds.

Trump can't do jack without congress. But with congress being Republican, everything and I mean everything is on the table.

Imagine this, roughly half of the people agree with democrats (but don't necessarily like the candidate), roughly half agree with republicans (but don't necessarily like the candidate). Yet it is entirely possible that before Trump's first term is over, the supreme court will be 7-2 republican.

You guys are talking about lawsuits and groping and emails and a bunch of other non-sense. The real fun begins when Republicans have a blank check to shape laws in this country in a way that is not at all reflective of the belief of half of the people.
 
That's a pretty irrelevant statement with regard to the question under discussion as to which states are net contributors to the Federal government.

Here's a 2014 article. I'm sure you can find others. It's not a 100% perfect red state-blue state match, but the general trend is that the "taker" end is red, and the "payer" end is blue. It's especially true on the "taker" end. Eight of the ten biggest 'takers" are red. On the payer end, of the fourteen payers, eight are blue, five red, and one Ohio. California is one of the net payers.
Well, my "red" state is much more of a payer than California. But this kind of data is very poor because it doesn't extract things like social security payments which have nothing to do with it. We all know younger states are "bluer" but obviously receive less in SS money.
 
You guys are lost in the weeds.

Trump can't do jack without congress. But with congress being Republican, everything and I mean everything is on the table.

Imagine this, roughly half of the people agree with democrats (but don't necessarily like the candidate), roughly half agree with republicans (but don't necessarily like the candidate). Yet it is entirely possible that before Trump's first term is over, the supreme court will be 7-2 republican.

You guys are talking about lawsuits and groping and emails and a bunch of other non-sense. The real fun begins when Republicans have a blank check to shape laws in this country in a way that is not at all reflective of the belief of half of the people.
Spending issues... yes. For others it can potentially take 60 votes to get things through the Senate.
 
The point Trump tried to make to the African-American community is they haven't been voting in their self-interest.

He can try to make that point just as he can try to make the point that the sun rises to from the west and sets on the east. He is entitled to his own opinion.

However, one thing is for sure, there is no way to reconcile how you as a minority can be voting for self interest if you are voting for the same candidate whole heartedly endorsed by David Duke.
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Spending issues... yes. For others it can potentially take 60 votes to get things through the Senate.

Democrats are weak and have no cajones. No way they will fillibuster through 4 years. And no way they will hold up supreme court judge appointments through 4 years.

Besides, the people voted. This is the government the people want. And the government we deserve.
 
My post of FaceBook:

To my friends and family, some who voted for someone that didn't win, here's my advice:

Exact your reaction to the election by living your life to the be the best person you can be. It isn't some person in the White House's job to make your life better. That's your job.

Study, learn, grow. Become the person you always wanted to be, and realize that action relies on you, not the President.

Two days ago, it was a choice between Bad and Worse, but today it is a choice between good and great. What it takes to be great is just 2% more effort and a good attitude. Make the choice to be happy, whether your candidate won or lost.

Just in case you're wondering, my candidate lost 6 months ago.
Very well said. Thank you for sharing.
 
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Yes, because not having sympathy is a fault, by default.

You tell a person that he is going to hurt himself if he runs into the wall on purpose and then he runs into the wall on purpose. And it is I who am faulty? Lots of people who in the world who need and deserve our compassion. Middle income blue collar workers, seniors, LGBT people, union workers and minorities who voted against their self interest have a self inflicted condition and therefore are not ones who are deserving of compassion or sympathy.
 
I didn't vote for Trump but why do I get the feeling had Hillary won Tim Cook wouldn't have sent a letter like this to employees? Maybe people in the Bay Area need to wake up and realize not everyone thinks or votes like them? Or California could always secede and we'll see how it survives on its own. Scotland tried it, why not California?

So tired of this attitude.

"My candidate didn't win, I'm going to protest, be violent, try to secede my state, assault people who voted for the other candidate, vandalize property that has nothing to do with anything political..." - sadly, all true and happening

All of these people, from the rich elite to the crybabies on twitter need to just stop. Media included. I watched the press conference with Josh Earnest, and the media's questions served no purpose than to create some type of division or conflict.

Obama is respecting the result.
Hillary was gracious and respected the result.
Senators and Congressman are honoring the result and vowing to work together.

The rest of America needs to just stop.
 
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I agree, but he put himself in that position.

I expect more class from a President. What a ridiculous man. LOL

Yeah.... he knew the guy he was talking about was disabled. The fact that he's made crazy arms talking about other people may mean he likes to do that, but you don't do that while pretending you're a person with a disability that might cause you to make similar arm movements. It demonstrates a lack of judgment and control that I expect a president to have. He needs to reel himself in.

He's off the campaign trail now and he doesn't need people to vote for him anymore. It's time to win over the people who did NOT vote for him, because this was the most divisive campaign I've ever seen.
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So tired of this attitude.

"My candidate didn't win, I'm going to protest, be violent, try to secede my state, assault people who voted for the other candidate, vandalize property that has nothing to do with anything political..." - sadly, all true and happening

All of these people, from the rich elite to the crybabies on twitter need to just stop. Media included. I watched the press conference with Josh Earnest, and the media's questions served no purpose than to create some type of division or conflict.

Obama is respecting the result.
Hillary was gracious and respected the result.
Senators and Congressman are honoring the result and vowing to work together.

The rest of America needs to just stop.

I'm also concerned about the people who DID vote for Trump who now think it's okay to attack minorities and tell them they're going to be deported. I think Trump himself needs to tell them to stop.

He created that monster. Well, no. Those people were already terrible. He just fed them.

Otherwise, I do agree with you. I think most people will come around shortly.
 
Exactly. Apple have put a lot of money and effort into maintaining an image of themselves as a responsible and pleasant company, that people can trust and that produce great products. But the real Apple is very different from this. The real Apple is a company that is ruthless, very unpleasant to deal with, greedy, manipulative, and regularly shows conduct that pushes the boundaries of what is moral and legal. Apple's conduct is very similar to what would be expected from a white collar criminal organisation.

I'm a stockholder. I like how they operate.
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So tired of this attitude.

"My candidate didn't win, I'm going to protest, be violent, try to secede my state, assault people who voted for the other candidate, vandalize property that has nothing to do with anything political..." - sadly, all true and happening

All of these people, from the rich elite to the crybabies on twitter need to just stop. Media included. I watched the press conference with Josh Earnest, and the media's questions served no purpose than to create some type of division or conflict.

Obama is respecting the result.
Hillary was gracious and respected the result.
Senators and Congressman are honoring the result and vowing to work together.

The rest of America needs to just stop.

Or, American's can continue to share their perspectives as is their right.
 
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