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And when minorities had a chance to vote for a minority person as President, he won. Both times.

And that was only 2 times. Since it became legal and unhindered by racist policies, minorities have voted for white males to be president. But whites had the privilege of voting in 42 white males as presidents. But I get it... when whites voted for whites, That is normal... nothing racist about that. But when minorities vote for a minority holy **** racists!!!
 
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I've tried to largely stay out of the US presidential election debate here, but in the context of Apple/MacRumors I will just say I hope Trump's administration doesn't continue the attack upon privacy and encryption that his past comments indicate he might do.

That's just one of a list of things I hope he doesn't do. But I'm not too sure what he will do about very much to be honest.
 
The problem with your argument is that it relies on the System, the Process.

But the truth is, the System works if the people behind it make it work. So now we're talking about culture.

It took 100 YEARS after the Civil War ended for black people in the US to "start" to become integrated into the System.

And still there are way too many socio-economic problems there.

When "the people" let the things "the Man" does slide, the System fails.

All the protests, "X-Lives Matter" type of civil posturing changes nothing.

DT, a transparently bad man, was voted President of the United States.

By the people.

That is all the evidence I need.

All the evidence that I need for the fact that our system works is that when I got up on Wednesday morning the first thing I heard on the radio was... the weather.

Donald Trump was elected by the people at a moment in time. The people have spoken --yes albeit through the electoral college system-- and we will duly inaugurate the new President on January 20th, 2017. That's how our system works.

Now for the part that doesn't work? Heh. Well... The people (at least the Dems) have let things slide for too long, and that imo was part of the problem this time. This fact was not unknown to many activists who have been working to restore progressive power in the party. The Democrats need to rebuild from the ground up instead of the DNC relying on star power and hoping stars pop up in governorships or Senate slots from which new stars can be promoted. Meanwhile the rest of us wouldn't mind if the DNC noticed we don't have a lot of Democratic attorneys general and state assemblymen... or town council members... in the gerrymandered red districts of blue states, for instance. Where does the DNC think Democrats are born anyway? In the Presidential primaries? No, we need Democrats to be active and nurtured in all ranks of the party hopefuls.

What's been improved: We made good strides in 2016 despite that progress not showing up in the top slot. A bunch of great progressives were elected to the House and several of them defeated incumbent Republicans. Three new female Senators will take office in January: Tammy Duckworth, Catherine Cortez Masto and Maggie Hassan. Catherine has held onto Harry Reid's seat for the Democrats as he retires and the other two women are net adds for the Dems. The Democrats' platform got adjusted to the left during the convention. The Democrats' manner of allocating superdelegates got adjusted to be more democratic (small d) next time out the box, while still retaining what the party needs to help ensure selection of a candidate who can compete well in a general election. Would it be great if the Presidency had stayed in the Dem column? Yes. There's a next time, and progressive Democrats will work towards readiness for that contest.

Maybe you need to become more active in local politics to feel the power of people one day at a time. It means a lot to be one person and make a change with your vote, with your presence at a local government meeting, with your small dollar support for progressive change. Don't give up because the people chose Donald Trump this time instead of Hillary Clinton. I had a hard time voting for her myself, even though I did want the Dems to keep the White House. But that doesn't mean I don't wish Donald Trump success in his Presidency. I do.

We have one president at a time, Trump's about to be it, and I love my country so I hope he does a good job for all of us. The Dems have almost half the Senate and close to 200 House members in case Mr. Trump seems to be drifting too far off the track of fairly leading all of us forward. And one should not cast aspersions on all the Republicans since they too for the most part have a sense of what it means to represent not just a constituency but the USA itself. We are all partisan these days. When push comes to shove we are better than that: just Americans.

The people elected a President, not a king, and Trump's not actually that familiar with how government works. That means our voices are necessary to help him learn what the difference is between being a guy in an executive branch of government and a guy running a reality TV show. We all need to pitch in and show him how to make it work for all of us. Otherwise he might think we gave him a crown on Tuesday night instead of just a majority of Electoral College votes. And he'd be mistaken.

Anyway even kings and CEOs know when not to push an agenda too hard. Methinks Tim Cook gets that and I sure God hope our often enough monarchist-sounding Mr. Donald Trump does. LOL I'm sure someone will point out Capitol Hill to him some day soon.
 
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Yeah.... he knew the guy he was talking about was disabled. The fact that he's made crazy arms talking about other people may mean he likes to do that, but you don't do that while pretending you're a person with a disability that might cause you to make similar arm movements. It demonstrates a lack of judgment and control that I expect a president to have. He needs to reel himself in.

He's off the campaign trail now and he doesn't need people to vote for him anymore. It's time to win over the people who did NOT vote for him, because this was the most divisive campaign I've ever seen.
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I'm also concerned about the people who DID vote for Trump who now think it's okay to attack minorities and tell them they're going to be deported. I think Trump himself needs to tell them to stop.

He created that monster. Well, no. Those people were already terrible. He just fed them.

Otherwise, I do agree with you. I think most people will come around shortly.

Yes, I agree. Both sides need to be mature, and follow the example of the people they elected. All, including Obama and Trump, are being gracious and respectful towards one another. America should fall in line.
 
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I've tried to largely stay out of the US presidential election debate here, but in the context of Apple/MacRumors I will just say I hope Trump's administration doesn't continue the attack upon privacy and encryption that his past comments indicate he might do.

That's just one of a list of things I hope he doesn't do. But I'm not too sure what he will do about very much to be honest.

I hope he continues exactly as he was on the campaign trail. We the people deserve exactly the person we saw when we were voting.
 
I'm a stockholder. I like how they operate.
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Or, American's can continue to share their perspectives as is their right.

No one has the right to be hurting others, destroying property, and inciting more violence and conflict.
 
Might want to quit biting on that democratic bait.
It's okay plenty of Republicans #NeverTrumpers fell for it too.
Ah I see he just Mocs everyone.

Now maybe you can help me with this one because I'm really confused is he talking about cats?

 
I hope he continues exactly as he was on the campaign trail. We the people deserve exactly the person we saw when we were voting.

I agree that everyone who voted for Trump deserves the Trump they voted for. But it seems like most Americans didn't vote for him, and the rest of the world obviously didn't, so for their/our sake I hope he tempers some of his more outrageous electioneering postures that will affect everybody.
 
I agree that everyone who voted for Trump deserves the Trump they voted for. But it seems like most Americans didn't vote for him, and the rest of the world obviously didn't, so for their sake I hope he tempers some of his more outrageous electioneering postures that will affect everybody.

My concern for my fellow Americans comes before my concern the rest of the world. On the whole, white collar/educated types and people from metropolitan areas voted democratic. On the whole, blue collar, middle to lower income people from rural areas voted for republican. The former stands to gain from a republican government. The latter stands to lose.

As far as I am concerned, all is right in America.
 
Tim hardwick sure couldn't contain himself writing this blog. I did not see any secret anti-Trump rhetoric in Cook's memo. Don't try to turn nothing into something.
 
i answered it, in 2007 ...any us city. It's always been about $$$$ and US labour is too expansive. It's not about capacity. But let's agree to disagree on this
Why are you going back to 2007. There is no US city with enough low skilled workers to churn out the number of iPhones Apple churns out. Of course labor costs would be more expensive too. Also it would be incredibly inefficient considering so many of the components come from Asian suippliers or are also manufactured in Asia. Apple is a global company. Just because it's headquartered in the US doesn't mean it's products have to be manufactured here. Honestly I'd rather have the engineers designing this hardware and software as part of my labor force than a bunch of low skilled workers on an assembly line. Let China, India, Vietnam etc. have those jobs.
 
He's off the campaign trail now and he doesn't need people to vote for him anymore. It's time to win over the people who did NOT vote for him, because this was the most divisive campaign I've ever seen.

Hillary was right there with Trump in terms of divisiveness with her "basket of deplorables" comment, among many others. So much for her "going high". She milked that line from Michelle Obama's convention speech for all she could but she definitely didn't adhere to that philosophy.
 
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I admit I did not read any posts other than the memo, and I am wondering...Is Apple that messed up that he must send a memo like this. Is it full of cry baby employees that cannot deal with changing of a president. Not to mention most companies distance themselves from any and all political talk no matter how small. If he had to send a memo because some of the employees were sad Tim C could have made it very short and said. "If you are upset about the election, suck it up and get back to work".
 
I agree that everyone who voted for Trump deserves the Trump they voted for. But it seems like most Americans didn't vote for him, and the rest of the world obviously didn't, so for their/our sake I hope he tempers some of his more outrageous electioneering postures that will affect everybody.

Popular vote was just about 50/50.

It doesn't matter what the rest of the world wants. This is America's election.
 
I'm also concerned about the people who DID vote for Trump who now think it's okay to attack minorities and tell them they're going to be deported. I think Trump himself needs to tell them to stop.

He created that monster. Well, no. Those people were already terrible. He just fed them.

Trump never said minorities were going to be deported. He said people who are in this country illegally were going to be deported. There are ******s who voted for all the candidates who will always be ******s to other human beings, unfortunately.

Personally, I think if you break the law -- as people who have come into the U.S. illegally have -- they should be concerned that their crimes may now eventually be found out and there could be consequences. It bothers me that the passive nature of border enforcement in the U.S. has gotten to the point that people willfully break the law and then don't live in fear of the potential consequences of their actions. I'm glad that people who have broken U.S. law are now considering the fact that their actions may have real consequences. Maybe that fear will also dissuade others who are currently considering coming into this country illegally.
 
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Popular vote was just about 50/50.

It doesn't matter what the rest of the world wants. This is America's election.

Currently Trump 47.5%, Clinton 47.7%.

Like I said, it appears most people didn't vote for Trump. But you can ignore me if you like, I'm a Brit. :D
 
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Personally, I think if you break the law -- as people who have come into the U.S. illegally have -- they should be concerned that their crimes may now eventually be found out and there could be consequences. It bothers me that the passive nature of border enforcement in the U.S. has gotten to the point that people willfully break the law and then don't live in fear of the potential consequences of their actions. I'm glad that people who have broken U.S. law are now considering the fact that their actions may have real consequences. Maybe that fear will also dissuade others who are currently considering coming into this country illegally.

Thats all good that we have a land of laws that must be followed, but I find it particularly interesting that you believe trump was above the law when he hired illegals to build trump tower

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.time...ald-trump-undocumented-workers/?client=safari
 
Currently Trump 47.5%, Clinton 47.7%.

Like I said, it appears most people didn't vote for Trump. But you can ignore me if you like, I'm a Brit. :D

The popular vote is immaterial in U.S. Presidential elections, and for good reason.

If the popular vote was the only thing that mattered, the candidates would likely only spend time campaigning in a handful of very populous states and try to turn out as many people to vote in those states as they possibly could, ignoring the other 90% of the states entirely.

Our system is structured such that the outcome of an election can come down to a relatively low population state such as Wisconsin or Michigan, thus ensuring that every state is important, not just the states with the highest population.
 
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