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Yes, he would say that, wouldn't he. Yet the tidbits of insider's information that are seeping through the cracks do not agree with him.

The greatest tragedy in all of this is that we've ended up with a CEO that has zero passion for what made Apple great. That is, a deep love for product design with the goal to create products that people can afford and instinctively know how to use. Instead, Tim Cook's passion is about the numbers and his talents, for better or worse, are slowly turning Apple into an IBM/MS of the 1990's. Boring, soulless, mediocre, and highly profitable. We're slowly losing this great company to shareholders and executives. What a crying shame. :(
 
What if Jony resigned just before the atrocious IPhone 11 watch strapped to the back edition got released?
 
Yes, he would say that, wouldn't he. Yet the tidbits of insider's information that are seeping through the cracks do not agree with him.

The greatest tragedy in all of this is that we've ended up with a CEO that has zero passion for what made Apple great. That is, a deep love for product design with the goal to create products that people can afford and instinctively know how to use. Instead, Tim Cook's passion is about the numbers and his talents, for better or worse, are slowly turning Apple into an IBM/MS of the 1990's. Boring, soulless, mediocre, and highly profitable. We're slowly losing this great company to shareholders and executives. What a crying shame. :(
I think this is accurate Re: Cook.
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Wow it’s rare for Tim to comment on gossip. But people don’t like Tim and choose to believe whatever already fits their viewpoint so I’m sure they’ll assume he’s lying and anyone who believes him is just part of the cult of Apple. Or as people here are already saying, it’s not a strong enough denial. It’s misdirection. It should come from Ive. blah blah blah. Sigh.
Keep drinking that super tasty Tim Cook Kool-Aid.
 
I dont believe Tim Cook for a second here. Honestly...he seems like a great guy, but he is in no way, shape or form the next Steve Jobs and never will be. He just doesnt strike me as a person who has the passion for design and innovation steve had.

So i totally get why Johny would want to leave and seemed to not care any more with apple because his partner Steve is gone and there is no one worthy for him to bounce design and ideas off of. Tim is just not that guy.

What they need there is another Rebel, another Steve Jobs who cares more about changing the world then making a profit!
Stop speaking in broad generalities and explain What exactly about his performance makes you feel that way? He does not “strike you” as a design guy? Apple has developed the most popular wearables in AirPods and Watch, and all new iPhones that still sell 3X as many units as Johs did. The iPad is strong yet again with the redesign. The Mac has remained extremely stable despite a dying form factor for computing.

Cook also saw the services opportunity and has grown that to a $50B/yr business. He’s led Apple to industry best mobile silicon.

He’s also created $700B in shareholder value.

Yes, he’s making a profit, but he’s doing so by selling a mix of completely new products and updated products that have made Apple relevant in a fiercely competitive market.
 
That last sentence is the reason it’s hard to take anything else he says seriously: just corporate hyperbole and propaganda.
idk, you might eat these words soon enough..

how often do you expect a game changer technology to show up?
for me, i think less than one per decade.. last time it happened, it was Apple who brought it (iPhone)..

we’re about due for another.. and there’s a decent chance it will be Apple again.. maybe Cook is right and you (well, the world) will be blown away by what the team has been working on.
 
Ive would not have left for the fun of it, there's obviously some deeper issues and I'd trust what the WSJ reported over Cook's lukewarm attempt at damage control any day of the week. No happy and healthy working relationship results in someone quitting to start their own business. Ive was clearly unhappy.
 
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I’d say if Apple really sees no truth and isn’t threatened by the WSJ article they’d let it blow over; there’d be no point wasting effort on it or drawing further attention to it.

This is how they normally handle 95% of other issues, so what made this fall in that rare 5% that "required" a response!? Perhaps it's the weight of a credible reporter in the WSJ.
 
Ive would not have left for the fun of it, there's obviously some deeper issues and I'd trust what the WSJ reported over Cook's lukewarm attempt at damage control any day of the week. No happy and healthy working relationship results in someone quitting to start their own business. Ive was clearly unhappy.

that’s not true.

I had a job (design/fabrication) that i was happy with and maintained a healthy relationship with the owners..

I’ve recently went out on my own as i’ll have more control over what i want to make as opposed to needing to focus so much efforts on their clients..

the relationship with my former employer is still strong and they sub work out to me if i need it or if the project suits my interests.

i mean, my situation is not too dissimilar than this one with Ive & Apple.. (or, as far as i can gather)..

and all i’m saying is the conclusion you’ve drawn isn’t very accurate.. it’s a possibility, sure, but definitely not the only possible reason.. Cook and Ive have both said differently than the conclusion you’ve come to so in that case, you’re almost certainly off base.
 
Typical corporate drama en mass scale.

There’s probably some truth to Jony being bored or why would he have started his own company?

The way the WSJ reported it was like tabloid gossip. Could’ve been done in a more respectable way.
 
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I think Jony would have left eventually whether or not Steve Jobs was still around. The reality is Jony is very rich and very well known at this point, and is free to pursue his own passions (and leisure time) rather than running on the Apple treadmill as he has been for decades. Aside from Steve Jobs, Jony was the closest thing to a “superstar” at Apple, and superstars tend to get tired of routine and constraints. He certainly doesn’t need the money or the insane work schedule anymore.
Everybody leaves eventually.
 
I think it’s really great that Tim Cook points out that the wall street journal is full of it.

Wall Street Journal is among the best but even the best is full of it these days
 
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when a CEO, any CEO defends the company they work for, does it carry any weight at all? Even a teensy weensy bit? Of course not. They're the company's number one cheerleader and never would put things in a bad light.

For example, all we get is the usual T.C. "fantastic products in the pipeline" variant


I'm reminded of Jobs' previous track record on selecting Apple CEOs, and how that played out. There's no Return of Steve to save them, though, this time; although they are sitting on $200+ billion now? That will see them through some bad times, and make it hard to be bought out.
 
At least he didn’t use the word ‘pipeline’. :rolleyes:
Can you table this and we'll circle back to it later?

In all seriousness, though, we're probably never going to know the facts/truth behind Jony leaving the company.
He could be disillusioned with the current Apple way of operating under Cook. He could be burned out after almost 30 years with the same company. This could just be an arrangement so he is able to work on other things with other clients while still "working" for Apple (this is the Or a few other reasons or a combination of them.

Who knows? It'll be an interesting next few years in Cupertino.
 
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Typical corporate drama en mass scale.

There’s probably some truth to Jony being bored or why would he have started his own company?

The way the WSJ reported it was like tabloid gossip. Could’ve been done in a more respectable way.

right..

dude has been swimming in this PC/devices world for years and years..

i’m sure he has many other interests and yes, could be growing bored or burnt out on computer land.

it’s not a slight or a character flaw or a sign of poor relationship or anything like that.. just wants to be able to focus in other directions

yes, ‘bored’ could be the right word here.. but people should (or could) try to be a little more understanding (ie- try putting yourself in his shoes)... and a little less drama

(imo)
 
I want Ive's opinion. Tim Cook's words don't mean much to me anymore, not that I doubt what he said either. News can be wrong.
 
Funny thing about all this is that Mark Gurmans article for Bloomberg echos a lot of the sentiment from the WSJ piece, are they both lying?

Gurman has an excellent track record when it comes to Apple, certainly isn't known for writing BS
 
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