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Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'I Don't Think a Four-Year Degree is Necessary to Be Proficient at Coding'
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You don’t become better at coding by writing code, especially if it’s bad. You just simply become better at writing...bad code.
There’s a reason why there are so many bad apps and apps that crash. CompSci degree (from a reputable school) teaches you things beyond writing code. Concepts I’ve used in various languages for over 20 years.
There’s a reason why there are so many bad apps and apps that crash. CompSci degree (from a reputable school) teaches you things beyond writing code. Concepts I’ve used in various languages for over 20 years.
I’m sure Cook’s engineering degree is part of the reason supply chain guru is one of his many competencies. I’d guess he hasn’t done any coding for many years now, however, and there are others that look after the supply chain at Apple now. His time is much better spent on more strategic matters.
Old times:
- Computer magazines taught you GOTO programming in BASIC
- University taught you structured programming in Pascal (and much more)
Tim Cook probably has a better grasp of the high tech world than most commenting in the negative. A dinosaur doesn’t grow a business by hundreds of millions of dollars. He probably coded in a past lifetime and understands that process on a large scale more than most here throwing negatives.
I noticed the Apple board of directors doesn’t listen much to MR posters. Some ought to take that hint.
I think that something that was common is that some electrical engineers would also program but not be well versed in software engineering.
He actually coded in this lifetime
Also you misspelled billions but I agree with your comment overall.
Apple will pay as little as the market will bare, the same way universities will charge as much as the market will bare. Market forces dictate the equilibrium, not Tim.
Surely there are great CEOs without business degrees; I’ve worked for a couple. But Cook’s MBA from Duke probably gives him some skills, knowledge and insight he otherwise might not have.
They don't need to hire technicians in the US. They can just hire engineers in developing countries.
Let’s apply one with a four year degree and one with a coding.... umm experience. Let’s see who gets past apples hiring hr algorithm. Sorry but a masters is a BA/BS degree an BA is an associates and an associates is maybe a high school degree..
I think it must be true of basically any profession that many people graduate but are mediocre.
Tim Cook is wrong about this. Coding skills can simply be someone's understanding of a particular language, syntax, structure, libraries, etc. Writing good software requires skills in analysis, design, considerations for readability and maintainability, plus human factors considerations for user interfaces. Those should not be learned by trail-and-error. There's too much best practice to waste the time. My four-year degree prepared me with analytic skills and understanding algorithms and software design trade-offs, so that I was very successful at my first job, where their emphasis was getting skilled at the language they'd chosen for a particular project. Languages come and go. Information system skills last forever.
He is a genius at playing it safe, streamlining the process and making profit. Shareholders dream.
I’ve interviewed a lot of people out of coding bootcamp. Anyone can program, but not everyone has the knack for it nor can excel in it
The ones that don’t demonstrate solid core fundamentals will not get hired for my team. Unfortunately we usually are looking for Devs that have more than just a “passion for programming”. They need to demonstrate their skills too
The main thing you get out of Fuqua is a network. Anyone who goes to a top tier MBA school knows you’re paying for the network and reputation
I’ve never had a company ask me how much student debt I have before hiring me. Lose the tin foil hat. This theory you have is ridiculous.
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Many of the most brilliant musicians who ever lived did not get music degrees. Sometimes you just “have it”. That’s why, as a music major in college, music performance degrees never made sense to me. If you can perform, get out there and perform. Get your performance degree out in the world and up on stage. No professor is going to teach you that.
Tim is wrong about this one. 4 year degree is not about about coding, it's much more than that.
If you are on the market for a job, most companies require a Bachelor or Master degree. Without that you are not going anywhere.
If you are on the market for a job, most companies require a Bachelor or Master degree. Without that you are not going anywhere.
Why do you think Apple requires a degree? Instead of guessing/making stuff up/cherry picking, a Google search can be helpful.
Apple HR couldn’t care less if you have a college degree
Of course certain positions are best filled with advanced or even four-year degree holders, including management positions. But to say a four-year degree is required to work at Apple is absolutely untrue.
From that article:
I spent a few minutes on Apple’s website.
https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/search?location=United-States-USA&team=Core-Operating-Systems-SFTWR-COS
There are currently 165 open positions in the core OS software group (areas of work include Kernel, Networking, File Systems, Sensors, and Transports). Here are five:
https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200049191/ai-solutions-architect?team=SFTWR
Masters in Computer Science/Engineering/Mathematics or equivalent experience
https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200058976/accessibility-software-engineer-hearing?team=SFTWR
Bachelor of Science in Computer Science, or equivalent experience.
https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200004357/build-engineer?team=SFTWR
Bachelors, Masters, or equivalent experience in Computer Science
https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200056682/senior-platform-bring-up-engineer?team=SFTWR
MS (preferred) or BS in Computer Science, Computer Engineering or equivalent experience/skills
https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200040499/ios-engineer-ad-platforms?team=SFTWR
Bachelors Degree or equivalent experience.
Those were five of the first eight positions. The other three didn’t have “or equivalent experience” so I assume those positions in fact require degrees; not at all surprising, given the roles:
- GPU Systems Engineer, Platform Architecture
- Research/Machine Learning Engineer, Apple Media Products Analytics
- Software Engineering Manager - Mobile Diagnostics Team
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