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The U.S. under Obama administration helped arming groups like Nusra Front who are an affiliate of Al Qaeda who apply Sharia law who their former leader was Bin Laden who was responsible of the 9/11. I don't think Trump is against Islam or muslims he is against Islamism, its the political agenda and its extremist and sever ideology.

Nope, you're missing the simple fact that most of the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks came from Saudi Arabia, but that country hasn't been banned. Not only that, it's well been documented that authorities from Saudi Arabia are financially funding terrorist groups within Syria, but that country is not on the list. Now why is that? :) Rhetorical question.

And let's look at IS for example. How was formed? Not by fundings from the Obama administration, most of IS recruits are banned ex soldiers who once where under command of Saddam Hoessein. After the Americans occupied Iraq, under false claims from the Bush administration, the whole of army was being fired. Send home with no future perspective whatsoever. That's where Is is coming from, until after they formed a group some muslim foreigners joint in there effort to create a Islamic state. Is is using the Islam as an escape goat, a simplistic excuse that should attract new young fighters, especially from Muslim countries close by and from Europe. In reality, most of the IS fighters are simply frustrated ex soldiers from former dictator Hoessein or poor peasants forced to join the group in exchange for their very own life.

All the mess that occurs in Iraq needs a foundation like any mess around the world is based on. And the mess was created by the Bush administration to begin with. If the American's didn't had invaded Iraq and miserably failed in their attempt to import an American puppet in charge then IS wouldn't have been on earth to begin with.

Now, under the false impression to "do something about terrorism" Trump and his lawfully "everything Trump does is good" followers actually think that by closing a few borders on Muslim countries would actually help despite the fact it only creates chaos en devision; exactly what terrorist fighters are aiming for. In fact Trump and his supporters are helping the terrorist, now that's what I call ironic.

You are right Trump should have put Saudi Arabia first on the list I think it's because of U.S. interests like you said but without a doubt things gonna get sour for the dictatorial regime in Saudi Arabia the main sponsor of chaos around the world.
The temporary ban will not stop attacks and surely not by allowing people coming by the thousands without vetting.
Last but not least immigration is not right it is a privilege and as I said to another person this is a temporary measure until things become clearer.

Immigration is not a privilege but a necessary method of moving people on the globe in a time called globalisation. My brother, being a professor, is working in various European countries and I have clients for my business around the world. The whole aspect of having 'real' borders is obsolete and very much outdated. People move around the world, constantly because they are no longer bound due of limitations of transport and by ethical differences. Only narrow minded people believe in protectionism as a source of getting a better economy while in reality it's these countries who have the highest welfare amongst all of their citizens that are working internationally, within a democracy society and with open borders with the exception of very rich oil states.

Terrorist are not the American problem, lack of social welfare, good educational system affordable for 'everyone', freedom of the press, and the lack of a very solid good healthcare are.
One good look on the Freedom Press Index makes it quite clear: https://rsf.org/en/ranking Instead of working on aspects as mentioned above Trump is aiming at the press, stating he's in war with the media.

Seriously, America has chosen a mentally disturbed narcist in power and he has installed people in charge that have no clue what so ever on what they are doing other then blind-fully obeying Trump. He's obsessed with his own popularity, or rather the lack of it, especially world wide, and constantly attacking the media when they provide him with facts. He even believes in alternative facts while any student understands that there is no such thing. I feel pity with most of the American's on which I've many friends. All well educated so needless to say that they are not in favour of Trump.
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So WHEN IS Cook going to run for president then? He seems to be concentrating on politics giving his 'opinion' out that nobody asked for... more so then the entire Mac lineup.

Oh I see is he joining in the trendy famous people against Trump movement of late?


Why do you need to run for precedency when you have an opinion?
 
We don't want to hear your liberal ********! Leave Apple out of politics :mad:
 
Exactly. The countries that are *actually* creating trouble are not the targets of this bigoted decision.

And many Trump supporters are clueless about this simple fact. Many just want to get emotional after hearing the word "ban" while shouting "USA USA", all of this silly drama makes me laugh.
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We don't want to hear your liberal liberal ******! Leave Apple out of politics :mad:

Well, you better get used to it, it's not up to you to state who can make an opinion or not. Deal with it.
 
Nope, you're missing the simple fact that most of the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks came from Saudi Arabia, but that country hasn't been banned. Not only that, it's well been documented that authorities from Saudi Arabia are financially funding terrorist groups within Syria, but that country is not on the list. Now why is that? :) Rhetorical question.

And let's look at IS for example. How was formed? Not by fundings from the Obama administration, most of IS recruits are banned ex soldiers who once where under command of Saddam Hoessein. After the Americans occupied Iraq, under false claims from the Bush administration, the whole of army was being fired. Send home with no future perspective whatsoever. That's where Is is coming from, until after they formed a group some muslim foreigners joint in there effort to create a Islamic state. Is is using the Islam as an escape goat, a simplistic excuse that should attract new young fighters, especially from Muslim countries close by and from Europe. In reality, most of the IS fighters are simply frustrated ex soldiers from former dictator Hoessein or poor peasants forced to join the group in exchange for their very own life.

All the mess that occurs in Iraq needs a foundation like any mess around the world is based on. And the mess was created by the Bush administration to begin with. If the American's didn't had invaded Iraq and miserably failed in their attempt to import an American puppet in charge then IS wouldn't have been on earth to begin with.

Now, under the false impression to "do something about terrorism" Trump and his lawfully "everything Trump does is good" followers actually think that by closing a few borders on Muslim countries would actually help despite the fact it only creates chaos en devision; exactly what terrorist fighters are aiming for. In fact Trump and his supporters are helping the terrorist, now that's what I call ironic.



Immigration is not a privilege but a necessary method of moving people on the globe in a time called globalisation. My brother, being a professor, is working in various European countries and I have clients for my business around the world. The whole aspect of having 'real' borders is obsolete and very much outdated. People move around the world, constantly because they are no longer bound due of limitations of transport and by ethical differences. Only narrow minded people believe in protectionism as a source of getting a better economy while in reality it's these countries who have the highest welfare amongst all of their citizens that are working internationally, within a democracy society and with open borders with the exception of very rich oil states.

Terrorist are not the American problem, lack of social welfare, good educational system affordable for 'everyone', freedom of the press, and the lack of a very solid good healthcare are.
One good look on the Freedom Press Index makes it quite clear: https://rsf.org/en/ranking Instead of working on aspects as mentioned above Trump is aiming at the press, stating he's in war with the media.

Seriously, America has chosen a mentally disturbed narcist in power and he has installed people in charge that have no clue what so ever on what they are doing other then blind-fully obeying Trump. He's obsessed with his own popularity, or rather the lack of it, especially world wide, and constantly attacking the media when they provide him with facts. He even believes in alternative facts while any student understands that there is no such thing. I feel pity with most of the American's on which I've many friends. All well educated so needless to say that they are not in favour of Trump.
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Why do you need to run for precedency when you have an opinion?

He seems to be rather keen on rubbin shoulders with the political elite and seems to have rather a lot of 'opinions' on topics he's ore then willing to tell everyone about. I'm sure not all of the Apple employees can care less what he thinks, many would have voted for Trump, yet the CEO is proclaiming how the company they work for for does not support the policy? The company is its employees IMO.
He will tarnish the Apple brand if he continues to express his opinions under its name.
 
Just focus on your products Tim. No need to drag Apple into every political issue.
If Syrians had never be allowed to enter the USA, then Apple would literally not exist. And it's not Tim Cook dragging Apple into this, it's Donald Trump. There are Apple employees directly affected by this.
 
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I'm asking your opinion on that.

Is it to keep those countries safe from Israeli's or is that anti-semitism?
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If Hillary won, you wouldn't be asking to change it.

Well, unlike you I don't have a glass ball in my possession in which I can foresee the future. But to give you an answer, I can't name one president world wide, including within my own country, on which I agreed with for the 100%. I think this has to do with taking different views in consideration on various topics and by banning out simplistic viewpoints that have been proven to work counterproductive from the past.
 
Why does Cook have to be publicly concerned about politics? It's not like it'll change Trump's ideas.
Why does Trump have to be publicly concerned about politics? The world would be a better place if he had stayed with reality TV and real estate trading.
 
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I support Trump's decision wholeheartedly I have nothing against muslims or any group of people but I have to say that some muslims don't integrate well in western societies because their nations did not embrace modernity and scientific revolution they are still living in religious and clerical states some of these states don't even consider women as citizens so.... Trump's decision is wise, from a security standpoint we know that ISIS members can infiltrate these refugees like it did happen in Europe we need to learn a lesson from that mistake.

Not embracing modernity? That's ironic. Trump's trying to take the USA back to the times of his childhood, and his followers just can't fathom the idea that the world is getting smaller by the day. We're stepping on each other's toes. Thanks to the internet we're living inside each other's homes and heads. This isn't going to be reversed, not even by turning America into North Korea II. The clock only runs forwards. The muslims know this too, and that's what a tiny, angry minority can't handle.

Trump's attempt to keep ISIS out by suddenly shutting the border is just the actions of a pea-brained bully who can't think beyond the extent of his own tiny grasp of human nature. ISIS isn't a bunch of people in uniforms, it's a set of ideas, mostly hate, feat, resentment, impotence, rage and bigotry. You can't shut that out at the border. He's just making a pressure cooker. Has he not noticed that becuase of his dim witted actions settled muslims are now also afraid to leave?
 
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I applaud President Trump's action. Not because I hate immigrants, but because I think it's important to find out who's actually coming into your country.
Is that Geert Wilders, the Dutch racist politician, that you are using as your avatar? And am I getting this right, you hate immigrants, but that's not the reason why you agree with Trump?
 
He seems to be rather keen on rubbin shoulders with the political elite and seems to have rather a lot of 'opinions' on topics he's ore then willing to tell everyone about. I'm sure not all of the Apple employees can care less what he thinks, many would have voted for Trump, yet the CEO is proclaiming how the company they work for for does not support the policy? The company is its employees IMO.

Well, many of the viewpoints towards Trump shared by the so called political "elite" are being share among 'ordinary' people as well. I think it's a bit silly to divide people into simplistic groups. Even more because it's rather irrelevant. The very fact that Tim Cook shares his view on immigration issues has a lot to do with the fact that Apple has many people working for them world wide. And this controversy caused by the Trump administration demands in that context an answer. Tim Cook is the leader of Apple so it's a no brainer that he's the one coming with a reply.

He will tarnish the Apple brand if he continues to express his opinions under its name.

That's just emotional speculation. I wonder where your future telling glass sphere is coming from, China?
 
I'm pretty sure, if you're carrying a current, valid, green card, and are being detained on entry, that your case will be expedited and you will be allowed in.
Would you bet on it? Trump's directive is sufficiently unclear that if I was say an Apple employee from Syria with a home in Cupertino and a green card, I wouldn't risk leaving the USA at this moment.
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If anyone thinks closing borders will stop terrorist attacks then those people are seriously naive. Second, it's very hypocrite of Trump closing the borders for those Muslim nations which are not tied with American interests, both politics and economical.

The only reason Trump is closing some border of some Muslim countries is to show he delivers. But in fact he doesn't deliver anythinf other that discriminating proposals.

As far as I know (as reported in British newspapers), there are quite a lot of British citizens who have joined ISIS. These people would have no problem entering the USA looking like perfectly normal western British citizens.
 
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Would you bet on it?


And what else did I say in that same comment

"One thing is certain, if you are not certain about your residency status in the US ... I'd avoid going anywhere near where you might encounter a US Border Services individual, just saying."
 
"Pls Apple, come to the US and create jobs and monies for me. PS, I openly hate you and everything you stand for."

Brilliant strategy!
 
I applaud President Trump's action. Not because I hate immigrants, but because I think it's important to find out who's actually coming into your country. If you let in every single person blindly, you're only putting your people at risk.

They aren't let in "blindly" at all. If you spend 5 minutes researching what the U.S. actually does with immigration, then you'd know that.
 
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So, did he support the summary execution of foreign nationals via drone? How about US citizens?

Why does Cook have to say anything at all? Is he going to make a statement about every Executive Order now?
It helps the brand. Hipsters don't like Trump and they like Apple. So if Cook public ally disagrees with the admin once in a while it creates approval with the hipsters and libs. No big deal.

Apple probably enjoys cheap labor from these countries as well.
 
Nope, they do NOT believe in borders. The whackjobs want one big country. For real. Never mind sovereignty, defending your nation or any of that. They won't have it. It's one big group hug. This isn't surprising though, it's what happens when public school systems and universities indoctrinate young people into believing in this crap. USA bad, global everything good. Yeah, great.

Providing asylum for refugees of war torn countries isn't really about "defending your nation" though.

And presumably the next time the US might be in some need of military aid from, say, Mexico (as happened after Katrina), they won't be welcome?
 
Really? I think Argentina might have something to say about that.
Iran also pays others to do their dirty work. Iran has long supported terrorism

On the other hand, let's take this quote from Wikipedia:

"In 1951, Mohammad Mosaddegh was elected as the prime minister. He became enormously popular in Iran, after he nationalized Iran's petroleum industry and oil reserves. He was deposed in the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, an Anglo-American covert operation that marked the first time the US had overthrown a foreign government during the Cold War."

So until Iran overthrows the US government and introduces Prince Charles as the new ruler of the USA, the USA cannot really complain about anything Iran does.
 
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Silly. The only reason Trump is closing some border of some Muslim countries is to show he delivers. But in fact he doesn't deliver anything other that discriminating proposals.


Yeah, it's damned hard to find a politician who delivers on their promises, these days. Trump campaigned daily on immigration reform ... he was elected ... he is delivering. Rock on, President Trump.
 
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