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You forget that Trump is mentally ill as well.


REALLY ... you've seen his medical records ... or is that smoke in your eyes or is that because the Netherlands has high mental incident numbers and you believe you have the first hand knowledge to comment?
 
Which laws is he enforcing, and what are the benefits?

The ones on the books already. The benefits are that laws are being followed. Can't wait for immigration quotas already on the books to be enforced. People are going to lose their minds. God forbid we be a nation of laws.
 
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I feel sorry for every American and everyone living in the US for having to endure what is coming your way the next four years - though it's your own majority choice.

Well, to be clear, the majority didn’t choose Trump. He lost by about three million votes. Unfortunately, the competition was for electoral votes, and, to that end, Hillary campaigned in the wrong places. So it goes.
 
you know man, experience is highly overrated, ability and accomplishment leads the day ... Red Tillerson has more hands-on, real world experience, than that whole damned State department and the last dozen individuals who masqueraded their way through their Secretary of State appointments, combined.

Which sounds great.

Unfortunately Trump has shown nothing to suggest that any of his real world experience makes him remotely suitable for the job at hand.
 
you know man, experience is highly overrated, ability and accomplishment leads the day ... Red Tillerson has more hands-on, real world experience, than that whole damned State department and the last dozen individuals who masqueraded their way through their Secretary of State appointments, combined.

This is the problem. People have become so accustomed to career politicians being in the White House that they can't fathom anyone else being there. They don't understand that these career politicians are the problem, not the solution.
 
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We're fine. He's only enforcing existing laws and regulations. Or didn't you know this?
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He's great at enforcing law. There a problem with that?
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He'd rather dump American workers with overhead and bring in disposable people on Visas, like all the other major businesses do.
Signing executive orders because the regulations would never pass the house or senate is exactly why people hated obama.

1 person is not supposed to be able to change laws or create laws. Doesn't matter if you agree with the Muslim ban or not, 1 man should not have that power.

You claim he's just enforcing current laws but that's not at all the case. He's making new laws all by himself. You know, like a dictator would.

Since we(US) topple dictators around the world, would it be okay for another country to come in and topple the trump administration?


It would be yuge
 
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The ones on the books already. The benefits are that laws are being followed. Can't wait for immigration quotas already on the books to be enforced. People are going to lose their minds. God forbid we be a nation of laws.

You're being a bit vague to be honest.

Is Trump enforcing laws which were to previously enforced or followed?

Which laws are these?
 
Which sounds great.

Unfortunately Trump has shown nothing to suggest that any of his real world experience makes him remotely suitable for the job at hand.

He seems to be doing just fine absent the paid protestors who will no doubt complain about everything. He could bake them the greatest cake ever and they'd protest.
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Signing executive orders because the regulations would never pass the house or senate is exactly why people hated obama.

1 person is not supposed to be able to change laws or create laws. Doesn't matter if you agree with the Muslim ban or not, 1 man should not have that power.

You claim he's just enforcing current laws but that's not at all the case. He's making new laws all by himself. You know, like a dictator would.

Since we(US) topple dictators around the world, would it be okay for another country to come in and topple the trump administration?

The rules are already on the books. He's not making laws by himself. He is not a dictator. Hell the wall was passed in 2006. Current imigration policy allows temporary halts to resolve Visa issues or counter a country that's behaving badly.
 
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This is the problem. People have become so accustomed to career politicians being in the White House that they can't fathom anyone else being there. They don't understand that these career politicians are the problem, not the solution.

The solution doesn't appear to be to have someone with Trump's lack of political experience as President.
 
You're being a bit vague to be honest.

Is Trump enforcing laws which were to previously enforced or followed?

Which laws are these?

Previous laws that have been ignored. Where was the outrage from the left when Obama screwed the Cubans on his way out with an executive order?
 
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The solution doesn't appear to be to have someone with Trump's lack of political experience as President.


And what experience did the previous president have before assuming his role . you know that guy who proudly told everyone that he has visited all 57 states in the union, with one more to go.
 
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The solution doesn't appear to be to have someone with Trump's lack of political experience as President.

Political experience, there it is again. As if a career politician ever gave a rats ass about anyone but themselves and the next election cycle.
 
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He seems to be doing just fine absent the paid protestors who will no doubt complain about everything. He could bake them the greatest cake ever and they'd protest.
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The rules are already on the books. He's not making laws by himself.
Yes he is. Do you have some alternate definition of executive order?
 
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Thats exactly what Trump wants. Just shut up and go about your lives. While your head is turned I'll be dismantling the constitution by issuing multiple executive orders! WTF?
Anyone watched rogue one?? "You can keep watch imperial flags reign around the galaxy" - "its not a problem if you keep your head down."
 
REALLY ... you've seen his medical records ... or is that smoke in your eyes or is that because the Netherlands has high mental incident numbers and you believe you have the first hand knowledge to comment?

i don't know if he is medically mentally ill, but you only have to look at some of the stuff he has come out with to realise something isn't quite right.

The whole crowd thing might seem petty on the surface, but don't you think it was odd that he would try to argue that black was white, when the whole world could easily verify that it wasn't?

It seems a concern to me that he really seems to believe what he says, even when it clearly isn't true. And then have people in the administration come out and use terms like "alternative facts". I'm sorry, but WTAF?

If they are prepared to lie about stuff that is so easily verifiable, they're probably not going to have too much trouble lying about things that are much harder to check.
 
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Hey Tim,

Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

Just saying.
 
Hey Tim,

Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

Just saying.

He's applying section 306 of HR 3525. But hey, some people think he's just making up law.

Link to the actual law he is enforcing:

https://www.congress.gov/107/plaws/publ173/PLAW-107publ173.pdf
 
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I'd like to thank America for making Europe and Turkey safer, ISIS will now be concentrating on America with their Saudi born terrorists
 
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Which laws is making up?
You are the one who said he isn't making laws by himself. I don't need more evidence then him legislating with executive orders.

I can tell you are blindly in love with DT so this conversation will never get passed this point.

If these laws were on the books an executive order would not be required to ratify them.
 
maybe, maybe not ... but he has hired the people who are suitable ... and Americans should feel damned good about that..

No, not 'maybe, maybe not'. Definitely not.

he hasn't hired suitable people at all - most of his departmental appointees are more suited to dismantling the departments that are supposed to be in charge of, or have virtually no relevant experience.

Or perhaps you could talk a bit more about why Betsy DeVos or Scott Pruitt are suitable to be in charge of the Education and the Environment departments?
 
i don't know if he is medically mentally ill, but you only have to look at some of the stuff he has come out with to realise something isn't quite right.

The whole crowd thing might seem petty on the surface, but don't you think it was odd that he would try to argue that black was white, when the whole world could easily verify that it wasn't?

It seems a concern to me that he really seems to believe what he says, even when it clearly isn't true. And then have people in the administration come out and use terms like "alternative facts". I'm sorry, but WTAF?

If they are prepared to lie about stuff that is so easily verifiable, they're probably not going to have too much trouble lying about things that are much harder to check.

Check out this article about the strategy behind this public lying: http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/...onald-trump-sean-spicer-media/komplettansicht
 
I applaud President Trump's action. Not because I hate immigrants, but because I think it's important to find out who's actually coming into your country. If you let in every single person blindly, you're only putting your people at risk. And one of the primary jobs of the leader of a country, is to keep his people safe. And by signing this executive order, Trump (or at least those who are in charge of the nation's security) is given time to find out who they really are.

It's controversial, I get that. Especially since America has been the country of the free etc. etc. And it's not something I would support all the time. Not at all, in fact. But if this can help the Trump administration to come up with ideas to make America safe again (or to speak for the liberals: to keep America safe), I believe it's the best way. It's only temporary after all..

By the way, I do think green card holders should be allowed to enter the United States, because, well... it's a green card, right? Don't think he will, but Trump should definitely change the order to allow those people.

Oh, this letter to me sounds a bit whiny, to be honest. Mr. Cook should focus on his products, not politics.

The US has not been attacked by anyone from the 7 countries being banned. The difference seems to be that Trump holds business interests in those countries. Pretty much every terrorist since 9-11 has been a US homegrown one. So the criteria seems to be: Muslim country that doesn't affect Trump's money.

Green card holders are being included and they've already been vetted to get those green cards.

Trump has been adding his voice to politics for over 20 years, despite him being the CEO of a big company. You can find old videos of him on Oprah talking politics. Also remember birtherism?

The difference is that members of Cook's staff are being directly affected by these orders. And not just by a dollar or two on their taxes, but by not being able to return if they go on vacation.

I've tried to keep to keep quiet on social media about all this stuff. I'm in a managerial/executive role at my company too, but at some point you want to make sure history remembers that you spoke out when serious injustice was being done.

With Bannon in his staff, singling out a minority group based on religion, labelling any critical news outlets as Fake, attacking particular US companies (for doing what he's done with his own products -outsourcing), refusing to properly divest from emoluments, bringing his kids (who are now running his companies) into political meetings that will affect those companies, potential Russian blackmailing, suggested using nuclear weapons, stealing oil from an allied country, the use of torture (banned by the Geneva Convention) ... we're only a week into his presidency. I think people should be speaking out.
 
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