Apple CEO Tim Cook on Immigration Executive Order: 'It is Not a Policy We Support'

[Snoopy4]

You are the one who said he isn't making laws by himself. I don't need more evidence then him legislating with executive orders.

I can tell you are blindly in love with DT so this conversation will never get passed this point.

If these laws were on the books an executive order would not be required to ratify them.

Just update with a link for you to the law I was referring to.

Since you claim he's making up laws, it's on you now.

Here's the link again:

https://www.congress.gov/107/plaws/publ173/PLAW-107publ173.pdf

Take note of section 306.

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Anyone watched rogue one?? "You can keep watch imperial flags reign around the galaxy" - "its not a problem if you keep your head down."

Really? Star Wars? Oh dear.

 

[CE3]

Can some of you Trump suporters explain to me how the previous administration wasn't already tough enough on immigration?

Obama had already placed visa restrictions on these seven countries..and if Trump plans to deport as many immigrants as the Obama Administration did, he's got his work cut out for him:

According to governmental data, the Obama administration has deported more people than any other president's administration in history.

In fact, they have deported more than the sum of all the presidents of the 20th century.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

 

[WRChris]

Just update with a link for you to the law I was referring to.

Since you claim he's making up laws, it's on you now.
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Really? Star Wars? Oh dear.

Trump making and choosing which laws to enforce is not on me, it's on him and the people who blindly follow him.

As a constitutional republican, trump scares the hell out of me. I want the constitution to mean something and he's just going around our system with executive order.

 

[Snoopy4]

Can some of you Trump suporters explain to me how the previous administration wasn't already tough enough on immigration?

Obama had already placed visa restrictions on these seven countries..and if Trump plans to deport as many immigrants as the Obama Administration did, he's got his work cut out for him:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

Obama picked and chose what imigration policies he wanted to follow. Trump is simply enforcing all of them. If your going to have an imigration policy, you don't develop one then decide which parts you want to enforce. You enforce them all. Unless it's Cuba apparently. Obama totally hosed them.

 

[johngordon]

He seems to be doing just fine absent the paid protestors who will no doubt complain about everything. He could bake them the greatest cake ever and they'd protest.

The rules are already on the books. He's not making laws by himself. He is not a dictator. Hell the wall was passed in 2006. Current imigration policy allows temporary halts to resolve Visa issues or counter a country that's behaving badly.

I'm not sure I'd agree he's doing that well - for a new President he is already deeply unpopular, is acting a little erratically, doing his best to dismantle existing legislation (seemingly in the interests of big energy business) without coming up with viable alternatives, and causing widespread condemnation from other countries for his recent stance on refugees and migration.

 

[Snoopy4]

Trump making and choosing which laws to enforce is not on me, it's on him and the people who blindly follow him.

As a constitutional republican, trump scares the hell out of me. I want the constitution to mean something and he's just going around our system with executive order.

The constitution does mean something, as does enforcement of existing law. Did you not read the law I posted for you that his executive order directs government employees to enforce?

 

[dragje]

REALLY ... you've seen his medical records ... or is that smoke in your eyes or is that because the Netherlands has high mental incident numbers and you believe you have the first hand knowledge to comment?

You're emotions take the better of you... So if you can breath normal and stop acting so hysterical about the matter then I can explain where I get this from....

Harvard professor and researcher Howard Gardner: "Trump fits the profile so well that clinical psychologist". And Dr. George Simon: “He’s so classic that I’m archiving video clips of him to use in workshops.” This puts Trump in the same category as a number of infamous dictators like Muammar Gaddafi, Napoleon Bonaparte, and Saddam Hussein.

Dr. Lynne Meyer, a Psychologist specializing in personality disorders, brilliantly explaining how such a disorder might help us understand Mr. Trump’s comments and behaviors and the challenges that likely lie ahead for our country.

Even more, psychiatry professors asked Obama to command Trump to submit to mental examination

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html

More and more outside shrinks say president Trump exhibits traits of mental illness

For the past few weeks, psychologists have been speaking out, arguing that their profesional integrity, and patriotism, can't be silenced. The latest? A top psychotherapist from the esteemed Johns Hopkins University Medical School said Trump "is dangerously mentally ill and temperamentally incapable of being president.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ent-trump-exhibits-traits-m-article-1.2957688

But I guess that you 'know better' then these scientist who actually graduated in their field and has more autority on the subject then you'll ever get...

 

[Snoopy4]

I'm not sure I'd agree he's doing that well - for a new President he is already deeply unpopular, is acting a little erratically, doing his best to dismantle existing legislation (seemingly in the interests of big energy business) without coming up with viable alternatives, and causing widespread condemnation from other countries for his recent stance on refugees and migration.

If it were Obama doing this, no one would flinch. Like when he screwed the Cubans on his way out the door.

 

[RedOrchestra]

seemingly in the interests of big energy business

Nothing like throwing out an unsubstantiated ringer just to stir the pot.

 

[Snoopy4]

You're emotions take the better of you... So if you can breath normal and stop acting so hysterical about the matter then I can explain where I get this form....

Harvard professor and researcher Howard Gardner: "Trump fits the profile so well that clinical psychologist". And Dr. George Simon: “He’s so classic that I’m archiving video clips of him to use in workshops.” This puts Trump in the same category as a number of infamous dictators like Muammar Gaddafi, Napoleon Bonaparte, and Saddam Hussein.

Dr. Lynne Meyer, a Psychologist specializing in personality disorders, brilliantly explaining how such a disorder might help us understand Mr. Trump’s comments and behaviors and the challenges that likely lie ahead for our country.

Even more, psychiatry professors asked Obama to command Trump to submit to mental examination

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html

More and more outside shrinks say president Trump exhibits traits of mental illness

For the past few weeks, psychologists have been speaking out, arguing that their profesional integrity, and patriotism, can't be silenced. The latest? A top psychotherapist from the esteemed Johns Hopkins University Medical School said Trump "is dangerously mentally ill and temperamentally incapable of being president.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ent-trump-exhibits-traits-m-article-1.2957688

But I guess that you 'know better' then these scientist who actually graduated in their field and has more autority on the subject then you'll ever get...

And Obama suffered from a severe case of narcissistic personality disorder. Next.

 

[RedOrchestra]

I can explain where I get this form

No I'm good with shrinks . we had a case in Canada where some guy went off his meds, beheaded a guy on a Greyhound bus, beat the rap by pleading not criminally responsible. He went deep into the system only to emerge a year later, out on the streets, with a new name and all. When the shrinks were asked what were the chances the individual may reoffend, the shrinks collectively chimed ... no chance at all, as long as he stays on the meds.

Man, I love those shrinks.

As an old professor of mine used to say "economists are a dime a dozen, and I wouldn't give any dime for any dozen" - the same can be said for shrinks.

 

[dragje]

This is the problem. People have become so accustomed to career politicians being in the White House that they can't fathom anyone else being there. They don't understand that these career politicians are the problem, not the solution.

It's not the fact that Trump does thing "differently" then the presidents before him that bothers me, but that he lacks the intelligence and a stable mental condition to deal with a job in a mature fashion. Right now I see a president acting like a four years old, constantly acting like a cry-baby when newspapers report that there where less people on his inauguration that when Obama was sworn in. That, despite the lack of evidence, he goes emotionally berserk when dealing with the fact that Hilary Clinton got more votes then he got. And the list goes on and on.

Being president of the United States of America is a serious job which should take seriously. It requires a men or woman in charge able to stand up early so he or she can be informed with the intelligent briefings and that new policy is based on solid paperwork of, in some cases scientific, investigation rather then 140 characters on Twitter....
The job requires a person who is clearly up for the job, not only based on his or her knowledge of the world but also being mentally stable which clearly doesn't match Trump's profile.

I don't care about Trump and even less about his (angry mainly white) supporters. But I do care when one person can mess with the world, doesn't give a *beeeep* about climate change despite overwhelming scientific proof that there 'is' a problem and on top of that is empowered with the ability to make use of nuclear bombs.
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And Obama suffered from a severe case of narcissistic personality disorder. Next.

Says snoopy4. I rest my case.

 

[Snoopy4]

It's not the fact that Trump does thing "differently" then the presidents before him that bothers me, but that he lacks the intelligence and a stable mental condition to deal with a job in a mature fashion. Right now I see a president acting like a four years old, constantly acting like a cry-baby when newspapers report that there where less people on his inauguration that when Obama was sworn in. That, despite the lack of evidence, he goes emotionally berserk when dealing with the fact that Hilary Clinton got more votes then he got. And the list goes on and on.

Being president of the United States of America is a serious job which should take seriously. It requires a men or woman in charge able to stand up early so he or she can be informed with the intelligent briefings and that new policy is based on solid paperwork of, in some cases scientific, investigation rather then 140 characters on Twitter....
The job requires a person who is clearly up for the job, not only based on his or her knowledge of the world but also being mentally stable which clearly doesn't match Trump's profile.

I don't care about Trump and even less about his (angry mainly white) supporters. But I do care when one person can mess with the world, doesn't give a *beeeep* about climate change despite overwhelming scientific proof that there 'is' a problem and on top of that is empowered with the ability to make use of nuclear bombs.
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Says snoopy4. I rest my case.

Says Obama everytime he gives an "I I I I I" speech.

 

[dragje]

Says Obama everytime he gives an "I I I I I" speech.

Stating "I" doesn't reveal the status of being a narcist. You clearly don;t know where you're talking about.

 

[RedOrchestra]

I love quotes, here's one from Einstein

Yeah me too ... here's one about Einstein

"If he was so god-damned smart, why is he dead"

 

[Naimfan]

Hey Tim,

Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

Just saying.

Of course, you and the current president ignore (or are unaware of) 8 U.S. Code § 1152 - Numerical limitations on individual foreign states.

You might read it, noting Section (a)(1)and then invest in law school to understand how the two sections of law interact.

You won't, but you should.

 

[jeffg819]

You're emotions take the better of you... So if you can breath normal and stop acting so hysterical about the matter then I can explain where I get this form....

Harvard professor and researcher Howard Gardner: "Trump fits the profile so well that clinical psychologist". And Dr. George Simon: “He’s so classic that I’m archiving video clips of him to use in workshops.” This puts Trump in the same category as a number of infamous dictators like Muammar Gaddafi, Napoleon Bonaparte, and Saddam Hussein.

Dr. Lynne Meyer, a Psychologist specializing in personality disorders, brilliantly explaining how such a disorder might help us understand Mr. Trump’s comments and behaviors and the challenges that likely lie ahead for our country.

Even more, psychiatry professors asked Obama to command Trump to submit to mental examination

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html

More and more outside shrinks say president Trump exhibits traits of mental illness

For the past few weeks, psychologists have been speaking out, arguing that their profesional integrity, and patriotism, can't be silenced. The latest? A top psychotherapist from the esteemed Johns Hopkins University Medical School said Trump "is dangerously mentally ill and temperamentally incapable of being president.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ent-trump-exhibits-traits-m-article-1.2957688

But I guess that you 'know better' then these scientist who actually graduated in their field and has more autority on the subject then you'll ever get...

So we should defer to authorities that have a) not actually examined the patient, b) have been wrong countless times before about who is a threat to others and themselves in their world as "expert" witnesses, and c) who work in a field that's a wasteland of discarded theories and hypotheses due to the complexity of the human mind and our limited ability to do direct research?

The science of the mind is not settled and to make broad assertions about the mental makeup of a remote patient is not science, it's the unethical use of ones "expert" credentials to push a political agenda.

No, I don't believe the "experts" who are making these wild claims.

 

[dragje]

Yeah me too ... here's one about Einstein

"If he was so god-damned smart, why is he dead"

Thank you for showing your impressive level of scientific know-how. People die, smart or not, and for your information it's a fact not an 'alternative fact'.

 

[TonyC28]

Can some of you Trump suporters explain to me how the previous administration wasn't already tough enough on immigration?

Obama had already placed visa restrictions on these seven countries..and if Trump plans to deport as many immigrants as the Obama Administration did, he's got his work cut out for him:



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

You're going to short circuit a few brains here with that kind of information.

 

[hagar]

I applaud President Trump's action. Not because I hate immigrants, but because I think it's important to find out who's actually coming into your country. If you let in every single person blindly, you're only putting your people at risk. And one of the primary jobs of the leader of a country, is to keep his people safe. And by signing this executive order, Trump (or at least those who are in charge of the nation's security) is given time to find out who they really are.

It's controversial, I get that. Especially since America has been the country of the free etc. etc. And it's not something I would support all the time. Not at all, in fact. But if this can help the Trump administration to come up with ideas to make America safe again (or to speak for the liberals: to keep America safe), I believe it's the best way. It's only temporary after all..

By the way, I do think green card holders should be allowed to enter the United States, because, well... it's a green card, right? Don't think he will, but Trump should definitely change the order to allow those people.

Oh, this letter to me sounds a bit whiny, to be honest. Mr. Cook should focus on his products, not politics.

Yes, and please ignore the hypocrisie that countries involved in prior terrorist attacks against the US (including 9/11) are not on the list of banned countries. What about Pakistan? What about Saoudi Arabia?

This has nothing to do with security, it's about Trump showing his followers his a big boy now.

 

[dragje]

No, I don't believe the "experts" who are making these wild claims.

No, why should you trust them? They are after all just the experts.

/sarcasm.

 

[malexandria]

Why why is a temporary freeze on immigration to properly inspect the vetting process a problem? Cook should spend more time thinking about Apple's products.

It's unconstitutional and un-american and goes against everything this nation has stood for. None of the countries where the ban impacts have ANYTHING to do with terrorism against America. He bans these countries, but NOT the countries, where he has a direct financial interest, who HAS spawned terrorist attacks against the US. IT'S FEAR MONGERING at it's absolute worst. It breeds even MORE hatred against the US and you can't tell me this won't radicalize people who are ALREADY here and were peaceful. Do I need to go on?

 

[dragje]

You're going to short circuit a few brains here with that kind of information.

 

[RedOrchestra]

They are after all just the experts.

Same level as hand-writing experts ... always from afar.

 

[Snoopy4]

Yes, and please ignore the hypocrisie that countries involved in prior terrorist attacks against the US (including 9/11) are not on the list of banned countries. What about Pakistan? What about Saoudi Arabia?

This has nothing to do with security, it's about Trump showing his followers his a big boy now.

They aren't in the law so Congress would need to add them to the list. Therefore Trump has no authority to issue the order with regard to Pakistan or a Saudi or he would be creating law.

Once again, the obvious escapes people. Trump is enforcing laws already on the books. The only part he got wrong was denying already approved Visas, but why not swing for the fence and take the triple.