Apple CEO Tim Cook on Immigration Executive Order: 'It is Not a Policy We Support'

[hagar]

Just watched the news: Steve Bannon from Breitbart in the National Security Council. Speechless. Just speechless. The dark ages have begun.

Maybe Apple should consider moving to another country. I hope their new campus spaceship can fly.

 

[thasan]

Yes, let's take something that happened 70 years ago and use that as a litmus test.
The U.S. did many stupid things over the years but we are discussing present day Iran and the religious zealots running that country are murderous scum. Period.

Lol. Right. Let's export US democracy to Iran. US have exported so much democracy all over the world that they have nothing left in their own country. Hahaha

 

[IPPlanMan]

"Infantile" was the Republican reaction to a black man being elected president. A man who went on to have 8 whole years with no scandals, but constantly being dogged to "prove" his Americaness.

The left wing reaction to a long-known slimeball being elected is pretty justified, especially as the results start to play out in front of us.

No scandals... that's a good one...

 

[swester]

"Liberals" have done that all by themselves. My God, I never could have imagined the infantile response the past few months. It is one of the most pathetic displays in the history of the human race.

As "infantile" as a guy who won an election but then proceeds to complain about imaginary voter fraud?

Or as "infantile" as a guy who spends his time writing tweets about how wonderful he is, how big his crowd size is (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary), and how much he dislikes Saturday Night Live sketches?

Pot calling the kettle black, my friend. You are just too delusional to see that you've put into power the single most infantile narcissist in American presidential history.

Thankfully, your ilk are in the minority in this country.

The left - whether you agree with them or not - is using the public right to assembly to stand up for causes they believe in. Nothing illegal or infantile about it.

 

[IPPlanMan]

Actually we are not at war with Islam but with radicals who use it as an excuse to gain power; anymore than we are ar war with white Christians because some commit terrorist acts or advocate the overthrough of the US and profess. a Christian basis.
As for WW II it is an appropriate comparison because our actions caused refugees to die since we did not allow them entry and turned them away at our border.

FDR, a democrat hero to many, put Japanese Americans in internment camps.

What Trump is doing isn't even close to that.

The hyperbole on Trump's actions is ridiculous, spawning from fake news and ill informed hot takes.

 

[swester]

FDR, a democrat hero to many, put Japanese Americans in internment camps.

What Trump is doing isn't even close to that.

The hyperbole on Trump's actions is ridiculous, spawning from fake news and ill informed hot takes.

...and that was a regrettable moment in American history that we have since paid reparations for. So we shouldn't be concerned when hints of that shortsightedness are popping up again?

 

[truthertech]

Where exactly has anyone suggested that?

In fact, it kind of begs the question - if people can freely just come into the US (as has been suggested repeatedly in this thread), then how come there are illegal immigrants?

Are the illegal immigrants not aware of the legal, open door policy?

If someone could clear this up, that would be helpful I think.

Got read up on the article and elsewhere. Empty slogans about "being un American" to deny people entry are exactly that, empty of critical thinking. We have always done this. Every country has the right to control its borders and who enters and that's what every country does and we have always done. Obama, Bush, Trump, etc., every president has done their duty to restrict entry.

People can't LEGALLY enter the US at will, even though that's what many would like without thinking about the consequences for jobs, the economy, the culture, the environment, crime, etc., to allow millions upon millions to enter. That said, the US accepts more than anyone else in the world and Americans give more to charity than any people in the world. Proud of that.

 

[sovereign]

"Infantile" was the Republican reaction to a black man being elected president. A man who went on to have 8 whole years with no scandals, but constantly being dogged to "prove" his Americaness.

The left wing reaction to a long-known slimeball being elected is pretty justified, especially as the results start to play out in front of us.

No scandals... that's a good one...

I was going to reply to his post, but I was certain he was kidding and trolling me for a response.

 

[robbyx]

"Liberals" have done that all by themselves. My God, I never could have imagined the infantile response the past few months. It is one of the most pathetic displays in the history of the human race.

Someone clearly knows nothing of history. Infantile? Like the Republicans in Congress who from DAY ONE opposed everything Obama tried to do...because...um...he's black. In the history of our country we've never seen such determined obstructionism from either political party. And now the right wing fools are complaining about resistance to Trump from the left? That's rich.

 

[IPPlanMan]

As "infantile" as a guy who won an election but then proceeds to complain about imaginary voter fraud?

Or as "infantile" as a guy who spends his time writing tweets about how wonderful he is, how big his crowd size is (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary), and how much he dislikes Saturday Night Live sketches?

Pot calling the kettle black, my friend. You are just too delusional to see that you've put into power the single most infantile narcissist in American presidential history.

Thankfully, your ilk are in the minority in this country.

How do you know it's imaginary?

This issue has gone from:

Democrats said election can't be rigged.

Democrats that the election was rigged by Russia.

Trump says "I'll investigate voter fraud including dead people voting."

Democrats say "No. Don't do that."

People who voted for him may be in the minority, but since the Electoral College is what counts, that's all that matters.

We just had 8 years of an infantile narcissist in my opinion. If you feel differently, that's ok.
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A bit like when people use 'the left' and 'liberals' because they strangely think it's some form of insult that makes a different opinion somewhat devoid of any merit.

Erm, come to think of it, haven't you done that?

Would you prefer democrat or progressive instead?

 

[thasan]

How do you know it's imaginary?

This issue has gone from:

Democrats said election can't be rigged.

Democrats that the election was rigged by Russia.

Trump says "I'll investigate voter fraud including dead people voting."

Democrats say "No. Don't do that."

People who voted for him may be in the minority, but since the Electoral College is what counts, that's all that matters.

We just had 8 years of an infantile narcissist in my opinion. If you feel differently, that's ok.

Hey trump. You lost the popular vote. Lol
There you go. Less than 149 character tweet to poke the infant and make him cry. Yes you elected him. Good luck. You are going to need it. Lol

 

[IPPlanMan]

Someone clearly knows nothing of history. Infantile? Like the Republicans in Congress who from DAY ONE opposed everything Obama tried to do...because...um...he's black. In the history of our country we've never seen such determined obstructionism from either political party. And now the right wing fools are complaining about resistance to Trump from the left? That's rich.

Do you have proof of that racism or are you just putting it out there as a smokescreen?

 

[robbyx]

How do you know it's imaginary?

Because every credible study says so. But go on believing the studies Trump cites, the ones whose authors won't reveal their "evidence." Uh huh...

This issue has gone from:

Democrats said election can't be rigged.

Democrats that the election was rigged by Russia.

Trump says "I'll investigate voter fraud including dead people voting."

Democrats say "No. Don't do that."

People who voted for him may be in the minority, but since the Electoral College is what counts, that's all that matters.

Both sides are playing a dangerous game with accusations of voter fraud. Bottom line, if 3-5 million votes were fraudulent, we need a whole new election because, clearly, our system is beyond broken. The only thing that's happening is the further erosion of public trust in our election process.

We just had 8 years of an infantile narcissist in my opinion. If you feel differently, that's ok.

Allow me to correct that for you...we just had 8 years of infantile narcissism from a Congress and Senate who refused to work with our President from day one.

(...because he's black)

 

[IPPlanMan]

...and that was a regrettable moment in American history that we have since paid reparations for. So we shouldn't be concerned when hints of that shortsightedness are popping up again?

You can't put FDR's actions and Trump's in the same sentence.

It's not even the slightest bit close.

 

[robbyx]

Do you have proof of that racism or are you just putting it out there as a smokescreen?

Logic. I mean, we've never seen such incredible resistance to an incoming President. His ideas weren't particularly radical. In many respects, he's been extremely moderate. Yet from day one the Republicans in Congress were refusing to work with him on anything. Why? What made him so different from all the other previous Presidents? The only obvious thing...he's black. I grew up in the South and I know how deeply racist many parts of the country can be, especially towards blacks. There was absolutely no reason to oppose Obama with such fervor from day one. So the logical conclusion is that his race was the deciding factor.

 

[swester]

You can't put FDR's actions and Trump's in the same sentence.

It's not even the slightest bit close.

I'll agree on that - Trump's actions aren't even based in the remotest shred of logic or reality. At least during World War II we were actively engaged in a war with a foreign nation-state. But a blanket ban on people entering from a handful of nations, none of which have posed an actual threat to US soil, while mysteriously excluding others that have? That's inexcusable.

 

[robbyx]

I'll agree on that - Trump's actions aren't even based in the remotest shred of logic or reality. At least during World War II we were actively engaged in a war with a foreign nation-state. But a blanket ban on people entering from a handful of nations, none of which have posed an actual threat to US soil, while mysteriously excluding others that have? That's inexcusable.

But it sure makes for good reality TV!

 

[IPPlanMan]

Because every credible study says so. But go on believing the studies Trump cites, the ones whose authors won't reveal their "evidence." Uh huh...



Both sides are playing a dangerous game with accusations of voter fraud. Bottom line, if 3-5 million votes were fraudulent, we need a whole new election because, clearly, our system is beyond broken. The only thing that's happening is the further erosion of public trust in our election process.

Allow me to correct that for you...we just had 8 years of infantile narcissism from a Congress and Senate who refused to work with our President from day one.

(...because he's black)

I want more proof than even the studies he cites, but I believe voter fraud exists in appreciable amounts.

There needs to be zero fraud in our elections. Period.

Because he was black? Why is racism such a convenient excuse for reasonable disagreement and legitimate separation of powers?

If congress was all black members and the president was white, would you accuse the congress of being racist for legitimate separation of powers?

Please answer and be consistent.

 

[Defthand]

Cool. Where'd your ancestors come from? Did they spontaneously appear through some immaculate American conception, or did they travel to America for that opportunity?

Also, it's easy to say "why don't they just stay in their country and improve things there?" when you're sitting cozy at home not under a very real threat of death. These migrants are coming from places where you'll get killed for drawing any sort of attention to yourself.

If you want to go waaaaay back, my mother's country (Spain) paid for the voyage that ultimately caused Christopher Columbus to discover America. My father's ancestors can be traced back to the first settlers in Virginia. In any case, none of my ancestors fled a bad situation. If anything, some fought in wars for their homelands. The ones who later came to America, took a risk. Their lives were otherwise comfortable in their native homelands.

Through the ages, some of my ancestors died in wars, served in public office, went to jail for civil disobedience, and married foreigners. So, yeah, some earned their citizenship, and that of their offspring, including me.

It is not necessary to fight fire with fire always. Time, and the will of a minority, can effect change, even in the face of violent threats. Ask Mahatma Ghandi or Martin Luther King. The fact remains, progress will never occur if people run away from the problem. Nor will it occur if adults don't instill their true beliefs in their children.

 

[WRChris]

No, he didn't. Logic isn't your specialty, is it? He asserted that the group [rascists who are Trump supporters] feel emboldened and that they don't have to hide any more. And support for Trump from avowed white supremacists has been widely covered. That's an actual thing. WRChris quite clearly did not say all Trump supporters are racist - you added that part in so you would have something to get upset about.

Lol, wrong. He said it's amazing how trump brought all the racists out. Which, without further clarification is a blanket statement. This is a political forum, he should at least attempt to be politically correct.

I'm not upset and it would take more than a few trolls to get me upset.

Btw, I'm WRChris. Glad you don't even know who you are talking about but felt you needed to chime in with insults.

 

[IPPlanMan]

Logic. I mean, we've never seen such incredible resistance to an incoming President. His ideas weren't particularly radical. In many respects, he's been extremely moderate. Yet from day one the Republicans in Congress were refusing to work with him on anything. Why? What made him so different from all the other previous Presidents? The only obvious thing...he's black. I grew up in the South and I know how deeply racist many parts of the country can be, especially towards blacks. There was absolutely no reason to oppose Obama with such fervor from day one. So the logical conclusion is that his race was the deciding factor.

I stand against racism when supported by empirical evidence, but your logic on Republicans being racist against Obama is so amorphous that I just don't agree with your premise. Sorry.

 

[WRChris]

Well, the order expires in 90 days.

It's a shame I feel the need to tell you this but thanks for the conflict free discussion.

We will see what he does but honestly as a republican, a 200 million dollar day 1 party was sickening.

 

[iDento]

It's not a policy a sane, sapien supports.

I'm not a Syrian but seriously, there's Syrian DNA in Apple, sorry Steve!

I'm not a muslim, I don't believe in heaven or some goddess but I think it's time to start looking somewhere else for a solution, boycotting every company that's supporting Trump? I guess!!!

I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN THIS PLANET ANYMORE!

 

[Snoopy4]

He simply enforced current immigration law and removed a special exemption they had that others did not. Now they have to follow the law like everyone else.

So exactly what Trump did.
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It's not a policy a sane, sapien supports.

I'm not a Syrian but seriously, there's Syrian DNA in Apple, sorry Steve!

I'm not a muslim, I don't believe in heaven or some goddess but I think it's time to start looking somewhere else for a solution, boycotting every company that's supporting Trump? I guess!!!

I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN THIS PLANET ANYMORE!

Easy man. Don't let things consume you like this. Not worth it.

Besides, your using Apple product, made in China. Feel free to vent on the CEO.

 

[robbyx]

I want more proof than even the studies he cites, but I believe voter fraud exists in appreciable amounts.

Why do you believe that? What evidence leads you to believe that? I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but from what I've read, there's no evidence of fraud in appreciable amounts. And that's the conclusion drawn by many studies from all sides of the political spectrum.

There needs to be zero fraud in our elections. Period.

I agree with that and the only way that is going to happen is to standardize voting equipment, procedures, etc. and use voting machines with open source code that can be vetted by security professionals. Private corporations have NO BUSINESS selling voting machines.

I personally believe we had voter fraud via voting machines in the Bush elections. I have no proof, but I find it very interesting that Diebold got into the voting machine business right before the first Bush term, after many of their executives had come out in support of Bush, and they got out of the voting machine business right after Bush's second term. What a coincidence!

Because he was black? Why is racism such a convenient excuse for reasonable disagreement and legitimate separation of powers?

When has an incoming President been met with the kind of resistance Obama experienced from day one? Seriously? It's never happened. And what was so unbelievably offensive and radical about his positions to merit such resistance? We're talking 8 years ago after Bush, Inc. nearly drove our country off a cliff. Having grown up in the south and gone to an old-money southern boarding school, I know how deeply rooting prejudice is in certain parts of the country, especially towards black people. I could tell stories for hours. And, for the record, I'm white. I think people who see racism as an "excuse" need a reality check. I don't think racism is as epidemic as the regressive left would have you believe, but I also think those who label it an "excuse" are woefully misinformed. There was no reason for certain elements (mostly from the south, surprise, surprise) in Congress to resist Obama with such fervor from the beginning. The logical conclusion is that his race was the factor.

If congress was all black members and the president was white, would you accuse the congress of being racist for legitimate separation of powers?

Please answer and be consistent.

I'm sorry, but your question makes no sense. For one thing, Congress wasn't all white when Obama was elected. I didn't see elected officials of different, non-white ethnicities all rally against him on day one. What I did see was a bunch of white men, mostly from the south, stomp and pound their fists and refuse to work with the first black President because...um...he's black. That's the only logical conclusion.

Did you pay any attention to the kinds of things that were said about Mr. and Mrs. Obama during his Presidency? The racist rhetoric was off the charts.