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Technology, in the right hands, has served humanity. Products like the PC, used by academia, creatives, educators, and other valued occupations. The majority of us use technology as glorified toys and pacifiers. Smartphones? Except for reporting the occassional injustice or unfortunate event, I can't see how they have served humanity much. If anything, there's evidence that they—and the so-called social outlets they serve—are making people neurotic rather than enlightened.

For a lot of people, a smartphone is their ONLY computer.
 
So Cook's way of serving humanity is to have slave labor in China make their products while Americans go without jobs?
Odd way of serving humanity. I guess he feels his using Apple's platform for supporting LGBT causes and left wing nonsense makes up for it.

Oh give me a break. You clearly have no understanding of the financial realities around manufacturing these products. Does anyone make their computers or smart phones or other gadgets here in the US? No. But somehow Apple is the only bad guy? People gripe about current iPhone prices. What do you think a US-made iPhone would cost? Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is and actually pay 3x, 4x, 5x more for that product? Of course you're not. You'd rather just complain and making thinly veiling homophobic remarks on a forum.
 
Everybody's frustrated with Apple.
Timmy needs to get fired.

My stock portfolio says otherwise. He's doing a great job. The only people who are frustrated are people with an agenda or grossly unrealistic expectations - and those people don't matter. Apple is the most valuable company on Earth and enjoys extremely high customer satisfaction rates year after year. Obviously Tim is doing a lot right. Haters are going to hate, but let's get real. Haters just look like fools. They offer nothing. They can't even articulate what Tim/Apple is doing wrong or what they'd like to see him do instead. They bring no ideas to the table. They sign up on forums just to say Tim should be fired, as if some anonymous newbie poster's opinion matters in the slightest. You people are so boring and predictable.
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if any graduate wants to kill a company like Apple they should watch Timmy Cookoo

if they want to save a company like Apple and make it the n1 in the world they should watch Steve Jobs

Hate to break it to you, but it's #1 in the world under Cook, not Jobs. Under Cook's leadership Apple has performed better than ever. I'm a huge Jobs fan. The man was a genius. Cook has been in charge for how many years now? Has Apple faltered? Has Apple shrunk? Has Apple struggled? No. Apple continues to dominate. And Jobs has nothing to do with that. Let it go. Jobs is long gone. Apple is a different company today and Cook is doing a phenomenal job. You might not agree with his vision and you're free to buy someone else's products if you don't. But no one is buying the ridiculous hater hyperbole that Cook is killing Apple because it simply isn't supported by the evidence. Financially they are rock solid. Their tech is as good or better than anyone else's out there. No one has bested them.
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Worst mistake of Steve's life (hiring of Sculley included).
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True, but then literally every single thing Timmy does these days is click bait. Timmy's a walking click bait headline.

What do you want him to do? Instead of complaining, why don't you and all the other hyperbolic haters actually tell us what he should be doing differently? And why don't you tell us who is doing a better job than Apple, be in operating systems, hardware, mobile, or any other area. Or do you just come here to bash Cook and complain?
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SJ poached Tim from Compaq. He worked at IBM before that. I swear there's nobody left in the Apple community who remembers a g-d thing from before the iPhone.

That's just it. All the haters are newbie Apple fans who discovered Apple via the iPhone and now have absurd, unrealistic expectations of the company. Those of us who have been buying Apple products for decades (35 years now for me) understand the company and appreciate the work Tim is doing. He's no visionary like Steve, but who is these days? As someone who watched Apple nearly go under several times, I'm very happy with Tim's performance as CEO. And as someone who has been in tech for a very long time, I appreciate that every year does not bring an amazing breakthrough product or technology. Most of the time technology is just evolutionary baby steps. Every once in a while we get something truly revolutionary.

I'm so tired of the Cook haters. He's not the most exciting CEO in the world, but he's doing a great job. Under his leadership Apple has produced some interesting new products and delivered some very cool new technologies. I don't really know what people expect him to do...cure cancer?
 
So if I don't agree with the GOV I can keep my TAX too?


I kind of agree, but at this point one has to look around at how our government is spending the money that it does get and think perhaps it's not the worst thing in the world for Apple to sit on that cash after all.
 
Oh give me a break. You clearly have no understanding of the financial realities around manufacturing these products. Does anyone make their computers or smart phones or other gadgets here in the US? No. But somehow Apple is the only bad guy? People gripe about current iPhone prices. What do you think a US-made iPhone would cost? Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is and actually pay 3x, 4x, 5x more for that product? Of course you're not. You'd rather just complain and making thinly veiling homophobic remarks on a forum.

Simple. Don't pay current Apple prices produced by slave labor. And don't pay 5x more if it's produced in America. Don't buy anything tech. Save a few lives. Save a few dollars. Or. Be a $&@! and live and let die. No question as to your choice. Screw everyone else. You are better than most people. And you like that ridiculous idea.
 
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Simple. Don't pay current Apple prices produced by slave labor. And don't pay 5x more if it's produced in America. Don't buy anything tech. Save a few lives. Save a few dollars. Or. Be a $&@! and live and let die. No question as to your choice. Screw everyone else. You are better than most people. And you like that ridiculous idea.

And what sort of jobs do you think the so-called slave labor would have without Apple and every other company that manufacturers in China? That's right. None! But I'm sure there's not a single Chinese made product in your home. Take your boring self-righteous indignation elsewhere. It's tired.
 
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So what you're saying is apple used loopholes in corporate tax law to lower their effective tax rate. Not entirely illegal. When you file taxes each year, do you have your check book ready to pay more than you legally owe?

The problem isn't apple doing illegal things, the problem is with the tax loopholes.

Hmmmmmm....... question. If you win a sports game by effectively cheating by exposing a loophole in the rules, do you consider that okay?

See the problem is not the rules themselves, it's the individual with the mindset to cheat . Don't blame the rules.

I'll even give you an example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underarm_bowling_incident_of_1981

This is apple , preaching how they are awesome, top team, ambassadors for the sport etc etc.... and are happy to cheat if they find a loophole .....
 
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Forbes? Ha. That has-been magazine hates Apple. Anyone objective knows that. They've never published a pro-Apple article. If there's a negative point of view to be had, you can rest assured those D list journalists will find it.

Ballmerization?

Did Microsoft produce a whole new programming language like Swift under Ballmer?

Did Microsoft develop a custom SoC architecture under Ballmer?

Did Microsoft develop its own custom processors under Ballmer?

Did Microsoft launch a world-wide mobile payment system under Ballmer?

Did Microsoft pay out over $70B to developers under Ballmer?

Give me a break.
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Did Tim Cook make a $9B mistake? Oh that was Ballmer buying Nokia, which totally crashed and burned.

Haters gonna hate. Small minded people with little lives whose daily highlight is crying about Apple's supposed lack of innovation on a tech forum. Wah! Wah! Wah!

Anyone who isn't completely blind knows that Apple has been extremely innovative under Cook. They've done some great work on custom chips, battery tech, and power management. They've produced an entirely new programming language. They've launched the most successful wearable to date. Every one of their corporate acquisitions has paid off, unlike the Nokia deal as you pointed out. Cook isn't a visionary but he's doing a great job leading the company.
 
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I don't pay taxes I'm not legally required to pay either, but call me crazy.

you pay all the taxes you are legally obliged to. Big difference between legal obligation and legally limiting the amount your pay within the rules.

Here you play by the rules, using the rules as intended to reduce the amount if you qualify

It's when you cheat, by finding loopholes , your INTENT is to cheat. Big differnce. We can all pay game the game , some win by cheating though...they don't break the rules as such, but morally....it's ironic that hey turn around and lecture us on moral issues and bettering humanity e.g lies hypocrisy and pure greed...
 
So what you're saying is apple used loopholes in corporate tax law to lower their effective tax rate. Not entirely illegal. When you file taxes each year, do you have your check book ready to pay more than you legally owe?
The problem isn't apple doing illegal things, the problem is with the tax loopholes.

I have never said it's illegal, that's not the point. The point is: It's definately NOT a sign for "serving humanity", just the opposite.

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Yet perfectly legal.

I have never said it's illegal, that's not the point. The point is: It's definately NOT a sign for "serving humanity", just the opposite.
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The problem isn't apple doing illegal things, the problem is with the tax loopholes.

This wasn't the point here, the problem is the same people talking pretending to be "serving humanity" and then abusing loopholes to this extend.
 
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I haven't said it's illegal, i have said it's not okay. I haven't said Apple are the only one doing so. Besides that, it seems it's "not so much legal" either as they have had several hearings (including US) regarding this topic.

Your argument regarding "pay more taxes than i need to" is kinda ridiculous, for two reasons:

a) I am not standing in front of so many people giving big claims regarding "serving humanity" and then using loopholes.
b) There is a big difference between legally paying taxes and optimizing so and abusing loopholes to an extend where you literally pay no taxes at all.

These two in combination are 100% pure hipocracy. This is what i am critizising and i have all the right to do so.

Do any of you people who gripe about Apple paying taxes even care where your tax dollars go? The mental gymnastics on display are incredible. Any sane person or business seeks to minimize his or her tax liability. Nothing Apple does has been found to be illegal. Why don't you get worked up over tax reform instead and focus your attention on creating a fair and sane tax code instead of demonizing those who take advantage of the current tax laws? And why don't you focus that anger on a wasteful government that prioritizes illegally spying on its own citizens while drumming up war everywhere it can, spending your tax dollars to do so. More tax dollars won't make the US better. They'll just buy more bombs because our priorities as a country are seriously messed up.
 
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Do any of you people who gripe about Apple paying taxes even care where your tax dollars go? The mental gymnastics on display are incredible. Any sane person or business seeks to minimize his or her tax liability. Nothing Apple does has been found to be illegal. Why don't you get worked up over tax reform instead and focus your attention on creating a fair and sane tax code instead of demonizing those who take advantage of the current tax laws? And why don't you focus that anger on a wasteful government that prioritizes illegally spying on its own citizens while drumming up war everywhere it can, spending your tax dollars to do so. More tax dollars won't make the US better. They'll just buy more bombs because our priorities as a country are seriously messed up.

Poor you, don't realize it was never even the point about legal vs. illegal. You've totally missed the overall point. Nothing wrong about optimizing taxes. The point is: Apple don't contribute to the public wealth and are instead exploiting asian workers, all fine, just don't pretend to be "serving humanity". That's the point, i know you still won't get it.

It is also legal to kill people in some countries, still it is ethically not correct.
 
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You have no point. You're trying to make some kind of moral argument around tax payments and that's ridiculous. There's nothing illegal about what Apple does. Nor is there anything immoral. Some might argue that's it's moral to not pay taxes when the government collecting them uses the money to kill endless numbers of people in endless wars. You've failed to make any sort of compelling argument to justify your position.

As for serving humanity, that's exactly what Cook and every other business person does, if you're not so mentally challenged as to be incapable of looking past the money. How many people have access to information today thanks to technology? How many people are healthy today thanks to medicine? Etc.

Serving humanity does not equal everything for free.

Haha. You are so cute. - Let me recap:

1) My whole point was ethical. Now you are insulting me, "incapable to look past the money". Ooookay. :)
2) You're STILL argumenting against the legal/illegal point that you've brought up by yourself. It never was my argumentation.
 
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Hmmmmmm....... question. If you win a sports game by effectively cheating by exposing a loophole in the rules, do you consider that okay?

See the problem is not the rules themselves, it's the individual with the mindset to cheat . Don't blame the rules.

I'll even give you an example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underarm_bowling_incident_of_1981

This is apple , preaching how they are awesome, top team, ambassadors for the sport etc etc.... and are happy to cheat if they find a loophole .....

Poor example. Clever use of tax law (loopholes) is the status quo.
 
Haha. You are so cute.

Let me recap:

1) My whole point was ethical. You are insulting me, "incapable to look past the money". Ooookay. :)
2) You're STILL argumenting against the legal/illegal point that never was even part of my argumentation. You are argumenting against the point you've brought up by yourself. Superbrain !
3) I might be menthally incapable in your opinion - Surprise: i am perfectly fine with that, "think" whatever you want.

As menthally incapable as i might seem for you, i do know one thing: i don't argue with i....

You won, Bye! ;-)

Because you have no argument. You have completely failed to explain how Apple's actions are unethical. Make a coherent argument and convince me, which I doubt you can. Just saying it over and over doesn't make it so. If what Apple does is unethical, then pretty much every business is unethical, along with every private citizen.

At least I know how to spell mentally...
 
I haven't failed, i haven't even tried to explain it to you. And i won't. You have proven more than enough it just doesn't make sense. I also don't teach maths to my cat.

Like I said, you have no argument. Anyone who had a compelling argument would jump at the chance to explain it rather than continue to dodge and act superior.
 
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What type of priest is that in the beginning of the video? Because this type of clotch is not familiar to me. Thanks in advance.
 
Poor example. Clever use of tax law (loopholes) is the status quo.

No the average tax player does not use loopholes. They claim deductions they are entitled to, the grey area is how honest they are about those.

A loophole is very different.
 
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More of an Apple ad than a commencement speech but that's why he got zero standing ovation compared to previous year's speech by Matt Damon.


Its nice to see matt brought his family and kids. I hope Tim would do the same next time and bring his asian boyfriend
 
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