Excellent lesson. Question: Flaws aside, does a battery's discharge rate decline as it ages?
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Apple CEO Tim Cook Says Power Management Feature in Older iPhones Will Be Able to Be Turned Off in Future Update
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Excellent lesson. Question: Flaws aside, does a battery's discharge rate decline as it ages?
So we have two choices
option 1: A slowed down crippled phone that doesn't meet speeds Apple brags about
Or
Option 2: A phone that randomly shuts down and crashes.
Not sure which choice to make but I'll remember that Apples brags about their products and "it just works"....
option 1: A slowed down crippled phone that doesn't meet speeds Apple brags about
Or
Option 2: A phone that randomly shuts down and crashes.
Not sure which choice to make but I'll remember that Apples brags about their products and "it just works"....
If I bought a $1000 phone and after a year-or-so I get a "Power Management" notice to throttle it or risk shutdowns, I'd rethink buying that phone again.
Let's see how this spin works for apple in the next year, or so...
Let's see how this spin works for apple in the next year, or so...
Curious - how many have heard that phrase in the past 5 years either by Apple or users? I sure have not. I’ve not been shy about critiquing Apple’s deviating from that credo with their vague and unintuitive UI reinventions starting with ios7 as well as their slow removal of hardware interface elements in some mad minimalist spiral.
I’d say your summary above is appropriate only if those are the only 2 options. Is there at least a 3rd option where a different or (gasp) thicker/larger battery could help? How about instead offer something that prioritizes function and flexibility over thinness and sealed hardware finally.
Might not be too bad if they keep this $29 battery replacement deal going forever. And I think they will.
I am waiting for the class action suits to start when people with iPhone X with broken rear screens and are told by a Genius that it's "$600 to fix that."
Apple does not seem to want to materially affect the phones dimensions by installing a bigger battery.
And as you haven’t been shy about critiquing Apple, others haven’t been shy about praising Apple for things they have done well.
I quoted your post in my earlier post, so the points I made are in response to your post.
1. You have neither shown that the 'C' is low for any of the iPhone batteries nor shown that capacity is low to a reference battery design for a representative application. You are making a circular argument here. You make a claim, back it up, show that the battery capacity is low for all the iPhone models that you mentioned and the battery design decision/trade off showing 'C' to be low. That is with the understanding that batteries with similar capacity can have differing 'C'.
2. I am once again referring to Apple design of the iPhone batteries, do the Apple design of the batteries specifically show high internal resistance at BOL and EOL, and in comparison to what reference design? I am expecting you to backup your claim.
3. You specifically mentioned in post #346 that iPhone 6 battery is defective by design (see below). Now, prove it!
if you think about it, even $29 is a joke ..
You are supposed to pay for an obvious design flaw?
Are you kidding me ?
You should be reimbursed, not forking out even more money to fix a problem that ain’t even yours
Tim, don’t get cheap on us
In summary, what you are saying is that a product performance degrades over time, there are very few products whose performance doesn't degrade over time and battery isn't one of them.
Am I stating the obvious here?
If you know anything about Windows software and it's power management, you can override Power Save mode when on battery to Max Performance. I have a 7 year old Dell XPS 17, that I can run on Max Performance, but since the battery doesn't hold a charge for that long, I can watch it cycle down to 0% before my eyes, while my CPU works at Max Performance if necessary, which is does. I have never seen any Windows device throttle unless power management was setup to do so. To say, it shouldn't be running at full speed tells me you know absolutely nothing about PCs
the OS for the iPhone, has been, basically, the SAME since the first iPhone. Rounded Corner Icons on a screen that you push to activate. Nothing has changes for that. Not sure what you think changed from iOS6 to iOS7 or iOS10/iOS11 that made clicking on an ICON more intuitive. Like I said, it's been the same since the original iPhone.
Where does that say the iPhone 6 battery is defective by design?
As for 1. The batteries are not capable of powering the phones. That's why the throttling. That's why the lawsuits. That why this article. That's why governments are investigating apple. That's why the $29 battery replacement. These definitions of C are another poster's attempt to explain why everything above is going on. I believe the poster is right, but that is irrelevant to the issues at the start of this paragraph. You're attempting it turn it into an XY problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem and then saying since I don't want to prove Y, X must be false.
As for 2. Show me where I said Apple batteries have a high internal resistance at BOL. You are once again pretending I said something I did not. As for EOL, all batteries have a high internal resistance at EOL; that's true but irrelevant to this conversation because nobody is complaining that batteries reach EOL. Are you going to ask me to prove 1 + 1 = 2 next?
No, “iPhone is defective by design due to its battery” and “the iPhone battery is defective by design” are different claims. Specifically, the claim here is that the battery is a poor fit for the rest of the specs. Put in lesser CPU/GPU/etc., or beefier battery.
(I don’t know if I agree with that, but to give it some merit, iPhone 5s and older never seemed to have these problems at comparable scale.)
Third option would be that when we get the trigger to turn off throttling, we find there are no shutdowns and the phone is back up to speed like it was before 'power management' was introduced. This is what I am speculating will happen.
Not at all pedantic. One way Apple is using batteries that are inherently defective. That would not be Apple's fault as they don't design or manufacture batteries, they merely buy them and install them. That would also mean the problem is easily fixed simply by installing properly working batteries when they do these $29 swaps. The 2004 powerbook G4 had a defective battery. I had that model, and Apple recalled it, and replaced it with a perfectly good battery and there was never a problem; I kept that machine in use for 7 years. These things happen and you don't blame the company who got stuck with defective batteries, it wasn't Apple's fault, it was the battery maker who didn't give Apple a properly working battery.
In this case, the battery is perfectly fine by itself, but the iPhone designers choose a battery that is too small to provide enough power for the larger screen and more power hungry CPUS in the iPhone 6 and newer. In fact the iPhone 6 and 5s batteries are roughly the same size despite the 6 and newer needing more power for the screen and CPU. There is no way to fix the problem because there's nothing really wrong with the batteries. Putting in the same battery will not fix the problem and a larger battery won't fit. It's not the iPhone battery that is defective, but the iPhones themselves that are defective because the designers selected the wrong battery for the job.
In all I think this is a reasonable response to the issue, giving you the tools to know when the feature will become active and letting you make the choice of throttling, risk a shutdown or get the battery replaced. The question is, why not do this in the first place?
The internal resistance of the battery goes up as it ages. Voltage = Current times Resistance. So given the relatively constant voltage of the battery chemistry, higher resistance = lower current = lower discharge rate.
You are not a very discerning user then, and that is to your benefit!
I agree 100% with the below.
http://cheerfulsw.com/2015/destroying-apples-legacy/
My iPhone 5s battery is about 5 years old using coconut battery calculated to be about 82% capacity.
How come the new phones batteries suck?
Coconut battery tests are not accurate at all. My iPhone 6 plus is over 80% capacity as well according to their worthless testing. Of course my cpu is throttled at 50% right now so that makes the numbers look better than they really are.
You've posted that link twice now. Are you just here to criticize Apple's design decisions?
Sure, when appropriate. I responded to an interesting comment that fascinated me.
The battery topic is of key interest to me too, another reflection of Apple making a universal decision for the customer instead of providing options.
Um, good luck? It’s a hardware issue. Your scenario won’t occur, unless you have a good battery in the first place.
Dude, I get you like the iOS 6-era design. But you need to adopt to the new changes. Yes, I admit, there are several design flaws throughout iOS (Just look at various menus in the Home app, for example, if you have accessories that support HomeKit), but in general iOS is fine.
My phone (6) ran perfectly fine until power management was introduced. No shutdowns whatsoever so I do not expect any when power management is shut off. I'm sure there are others out there that will experience the same. No way EVERYONE's battery is bad.