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Apple CEO Tim Cook Says Power Management Feature in Older iPhones Will Be Able to Be Turned Off in Future Update
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You’re allowed your opinion.
Actually I don’t crave a return to ios6. I just miss the use of proven UI principles that were washed away wholesale strangely. They are slowly returning as Apple realizes it stretched too far. Same thought should apply to batteries. Give users a choice rather than one extreme side. Water resistant sealed buttonless, and water tight but expandable.
Thanks for considering me in the same league as Carl Icahn and a few others that followed that path.
I will further consult you when I have obtained a controlling interest.
Oh, don't confuse my comments with not being very discerning. I agree 100% your link as well. When the first iPhone came out, it was Next Generation and Everyone, including myself, jumped on board. Here we are 10 years later, some of us 100's if not 1000's of dollars invested into the Apple Software Eco System. Switching to something else is not that easy. I will tell you this, my iPhone 7+ is the last one I will probably own. Some would call it COURAGE to switch to the likes of Samsung or Google, me, it just the next logical path.
The goal of this power management is to prevent shutdowns before they occur. And my iPhone 6 still runs perfectly fine even after I updated the OS, so wear on these batteries apparently varies.
I don’t even own an iPhone anymore and no, they did nothing wrong. People like you deserve to have your phone with a 3 year-old battery shut down during an very important business or family call. Then you’d still be bitching. God forbid they do what they can to make sure your phone stays up and running.
Oh I forgot it’s Apple. A lightning rod for unfair criticism. Held to a different standard than every other company on earth. I’ll buy the “they could have been more transparent” icon but no, there was nothing sinister at work here. That would hurt them more than help them. They are trying to keep people happy and sell product.
And your signature is beyond imaginination. Being “forced” to upgrade a 3 year old phone. Expecting like-new battery performance. Nice accountability on your part.
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Seems like the original comment and some of the following ones have been bolstered.
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Android has all of the options one can want.
It's not a design flaw, batteries age out after 700-800 full cycles, which is possible to hit in 12-18 months for heavy users (more if you don't do full cycles, charging always when getting to 60% for example gets you 1200-1500 cycles), that's it. Pay for the damn battery.
Battery don't give full power so the SOC cannot go to full power, seems simple isn't it. Find a Android phone that even beat this "throttled" phone after the same number of cycles (or even is able not to crash under a similar load). I will wait for that info.
There are also plenty of instances of companies getting criticized by Mac users for something, but when Apple does the same thing, they get a free pass. So I'd say we're all even.
I don't know what number of cycles an Apple battery is good for vs. the batteries in other phones, but I really doubt they're putting expensive custom-designed chips and housings and sensors into their phone, but then saying "let's put in a really cheap, crappy battery".
They don't work eternally, so how is that contradictory? You think you buy a phone and the battery works forever?
Depending on usage, which can happen as soon as 12-18 months for those that are heavy users and charge their phone mid day when it is near 0% (and thus do 2 full cycles charge per day), the batteries will reach its end of useful life and need to get changed.
Apple already indicated this in settings once the "throttling under load the battery cannot fullfill" for batteries has been activated. It should have made this indicator even more public seemingly.
Not crashing, and throttling under charge means it "just works" is actually true, with the emphasis on WORKING.
That's the best you can hope for that depleted battery: there are no miracles.
I've seen you post in multiple threads about this issue asking for proof/data that you know we don't have any way of getting. Apple is the only one with the data you are asking for, you know no one can come back with those numbers because it's impossible, so why do you keep asking for them? If you'd like to tell me where this data is located I'd happily compile it. You don't seem to offer any data/proof yourself (the kind you are asking for), just your opinions. How about you show the data on all devices so we can see how many are throttled and how many are running fine to prove your point.
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That's why I find the problem and their response confusing. When they had "Antenna Gate" they had a press conference explaining how antenna work and how all phones had similar issues. It's more confusing to me because I have personally never seen the issue. I have an iPhone 5s that's a few years old and an iPhone 7 that's a year old and I have never seen the phone just turn off when the battery percentage is still high, which is what people are having happen. And the way Apple is responding to this with the update just for the iPhone 6, 6s, and SE makes it *seem* like this is just a problem for those phones and not other iPohones. Unless similar software was baked into the OS for previous iPhones? I don't know. I just don't feel like I have a clear understanding, and I still don't feel they've communicated about this issue well. In Antenna Gate, I thought the communication was very effective.
And when this happens, people will whine and cry about it. Apple can't do anything without people whining about it.
You’re allowed your opinion.
Same thought should apply to batteries. Give users a choice rather than one extreme side. Water resistant sealed buttonless, and water tight but expandable.
We all have choice. We can choose to not by an iPhone. I think Apple made a commercial about that some years ago. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Something like that.
And seriously people, are we holding on to phones like they are cars? We all know the battery was never USER serviceable. You had to take it to Apple to get replaced if it was faulty within 1 YEAR. Thats the normal warranty, unless you bought extended apple care, you get up to 3. I've never had 1 issue with a battery on any of the iPhones since the 3G. But that's most likely due to the fact that I upgrade every year. Sell the old one, and buy the new one.
Considering that you first expect me to deflect to the Android camp and then foster me for a controlling Apple shareholder role, your perspective seems somewhat volatile.
Making me go for the middle ground.
Read about the issue because you seem to have no clue what everyone else here is talking about...nobody is complaining that batteries at 700-800 cycles can't power the phone after 12-18 months of heavy use. That's normal.
Even Apple rates their battery at 500 cycles. That's not a problem.
The first problem is phones with far, far less than 500 cycles after less than a year of moderate use have these battery problems. These are batteries that Apple claims are still good and up until a few weeks ago, refused to replace even for people willing to fork over the $79. There is something wrong with the battery selection in that case. it can't power the phone. That is a design flaw.
The second and larger problem is that Apple's solution was "solving" this first problem by keeping it secret and thottling back performance on relatively new phones; my iP7 is 8 months old and affected. My wife's 6S after 1.5 years of very light use is ruined by this throttling. Keep in mind these phones everyone is talking about have batteries with far below 500 cycles and batteries Apple still claims don't need replacement.
The third and largest problem is that people who's phones were throttled due to the earlier problems were taking their phones into Apple for service, Apple was telling them that that A) the battery is fine, and B) even if the battery was not fine, we don't throttle our phones. But if you're not satisfied with your phone, might we suggest that shiny new $800 phone over there.
Do you really not understand how idiotic that is? So Apple says hey, our SOC is the fastest chip ever put in a cell phone, it beats out most desktop computers. Wow, awesome, practically magic, can't innovate my ass. So, customer gets the phone home and then Apple tells them, well the chip technically can run that fast, but the battery can't put out enough power to run the cpu at 100% so we're going to cap it at 30%. But don't worry, the chip really has the performance we promised, we just can't show you because we didn't promise the battery could actually power it.
And since you say not throttled at the same number of cycles, you lose. Every android phone is the answer to your question because iPhones since the 6 throttle with a fairly new battery that Apple says it okay.
BTW, I can run a marathon in under 2 hours. It's true, my muscles are capable of it. But I can't show you because my O2 transport is a bit sluggish so when I try to run, my muscles build up lactic acid and I need to slow down. But honest I could run the 2 hour marathon if not for that. This is what Apple is saying with their phones.
You’re correct that nobody can provide the data.
However, that hasn’t stopped numerous posters making false claims about what’s going on. And positioning those claims as fact, not opinion. Curious why I haven’t seen you call any of them out.
Those warranties would not cover a battery replacement if there were over 500 cycles on the battery not even the 3 year AppleCare. That is normal, the battery is a consumable that Apple rates at 500 cycles and it's reasonable to expect to replace a consumable when it gets used up.
The issue here is batteries that are at far fewer than 500 cycles, that Apple claims are good and not eligible to replace and yet the phones are still being throttled. And Apple denied that throttling was happening and recommended new phones to people not happy with the phone speed when a new battery would have restored the original speed **because Apple was throttling the phone and lying about it**.
Did you just claim the iPhone 6 uses more power for the CPU than the 5S? The A8 in the iPhone 6 actually has a smaller die size, is manufactured on a smaller process and consumes less power than the A7 in the 5S.
There are users with the iPhone 6 and up that don’t experience throttling. How is that possible if they’re defective? Or did they win the lottery and get a magical battery powered by unicorn dust that nobody else got?
The iPhones aren’t defective. Only your reasoning is.
Is it fair for Apple to publish their iPhone benchmarks while running on brand new batteries, knowing that performance will decline over time? When Apple publishes benchmarks for an iPhone, aren't they giving people the impression that it should always provide that level pf performance?