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If a person is a CEO of a megacorp like  and really, personally cares about the environment, it must be hard to reconcile the fact that every device they make eventually ends up in a landfill- Billions of them.
Ultimately — they’re producing untold tons of toxic e-waste.
 

sack_peak

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He's done the most environmentally friendly thing of all. He didn't have kids.
It is unfortunate that the most talented and highly skilled persons on the plant like Tim Cook decide to have 0-2 kids only.

While the rest of humanity that barely makes $1/hr decides to have 10-12 kids.

To me it should be reversed. Persons who make more than $100k annually should have as many kids as those who make less than $10k annually and vice versa.
 
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sack_peak

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If a person is a CEO of a megacorp like  and really, personally cares about the environment, it must be hard to reconcile the fact that every device they make eventually ends up in a landfill- Billions of them.
Ultimately — they’re producing untold tons of toxic e-waste.
Demand for product and services from 8+ billion persons will not go away if all megacorps suddenly disband.

These companies are often blamed as they are the most visible and obvious.

If anyone really gives a darn about the planet and how it is hospitable to humans then strive for the pre-19th century population of ~1 billion by 220 years from today.

To do this would be to have a fertility rate of 2.000000000000000 per mother.
 

CarAnalogy

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The board of Apple insists Tim travel by private jet for corporate AND personal travel.

"Carbon neutral" doesn't mean all that much when you're on a Gulfstream V every other day... I too recycle my cans and plastic where applicable.

Yeah it's a lot easier to compost and recycle and drive electric when you have servants to clean your house and drive you around and you live in a very nice area of California that provides these services.

And none of these executives like to talk about their private jets, this has been a thing since at least the 90s with Al Gore. Ironically it's a very "Inconvenient Truth."
 

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When asked if "we really need a new iPhone every year," Cook answered:
I think having an iPhone every year for those people that want it is a great thing. And what we do is we allow people to trade in their phone. And so we then resell that phone if it's still working. And if it's not working, we've got ways of disassembling it and taking the materials to make a new iPhone out of.

That trade-in value, however, often can be 50% lower than selling to a third party.
 

Rogifan

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To be fair, Apple makes an iPhone every year because there are still a lot of people who will upgrade every year regardless of how little changed. If we as consumers are overwhelmingly inclined to keep our phone for at least two years, Apple would be much more incentivized to slow down the pace. But I don't see that happening, even if I agree this yearly upgrade is a bit meaningless for mature products such as the iPhone or the Apple Watch.
Not everyone is on the same upgrade cycle. Not everyone buys their phones at the same time. For some people the ‘new’ phone will be replacing a 3 or 4 year old phone.
 

Ta_whirimatea

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Reminds me of when Coldplay played two concerts in Glasgow last year. After the first night, Chris Martin was spotted boarding a private jet at a local airport. The jet was tracked back to London and then flew back up to Glasgow the morning after for the second show. The journey could have been done in a car, or even a train if it were not for the late time of night. This is despite all of the fuss made of Coldplay’s environmental beliefs and credentials and how the tour is supposedly put together in the most environmentally friendly way possible.
He should have staying in Glasgow & for a buckfast carryout followed by a monster chippy! Hmm
 

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So according to that graph, I'm in my mid 40's, I'm also somewhat in between the time I keep my phone, lol. 12-18 months, 24 mos max.
 
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I think people just want Steve back. We all do. Unfortunately that can’t/won’t happen, so we have to find the positive things in Tim’s leadership. He’s not perfect, and he’s not Steve, but Steve picked him as his successor for a reason. I think Tim’s heart is in the right place, but he doesn’t have the same personality as Steve (or even Federighi), and I’m fine with that.

OMG! It's refreshing seeing a respectful post about TC. So many people want a Steve resurrection; which clearly isn't going to happen.

So apparently the second best option is to trash Cook day in and day out, as bewildering as that is making no sense at all being on that life mission.

Sadly, they're letting TC live in their heads rent free.
 

mech986

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his words are so shallow that there is even a risk to think that this guys a a complete fool (which he is obviously not)
IMO, Cook is choosing his words carefully to put his point across in easily understood terms. Too much detail and people tune out. You can bet he could speak for 10-20 minutes on any broad technical or environmental topic within Apple but that’s not the point of this edited interview. Brut asked the questions, Cook gives them a short bit direct answer to most questions.

“He leads you to think Apple have people disassembling phones and recycling the useful parts when our trade-ins go to third parties.”

That’s not always true. When you buy from Apple directly, Apple takes the trade ins (in the US) and sorts them by model and condition. The best they refurbish & resell. Obsolete, damaged beyond economical repair are recycled by Daisy robotic recycling machines to extract as much reusable material as possible. Lesser condition but resellable are shifted to third party sellers or refurbishers, which extends the usable iPhone life again & away from e-waste stream. In other countries, Apple has partnered recycling & reseller companies. I suspect Apple has similar arrangements with US carriers.

It’s not clear what Samsung (largest) and Google (small) does with any iPhone trade-ins but they surely don’t resell them directly.

It is not hate, these are opinions. People are free to share they disagreement with the things that they dislike. Stop calling everything "hate". Apple is starting to look more as NGO that make phones rather than a tech company...pathetic. The level of social activism TC is imposing on Apple is ridiculous.
Sorry you fell that way. A major portion of Apple’s demographic (especially teen to mid-30’s) IS interested in social and environmental activism and its impact on them. As an older >65 y/o, I’m strongly interested and proud of what Apple is doing, what they represent, and what kind of world this massive company will help leave to my kids, Grandkids, and their friends and families.

You would prefer Apple act like big steel, coal mining, oil, tobacco, old automotive, nuclear, etc. that almost actively create environmental and pollution issue that “we” have to deal with and pay for? Someone has to lead in doing what they can to reduce their environmental impact and Apple is doing what it can to show that it can be done, even on an Apple scale.


i wonder if a drives a crappy tesla or a more quality EV
You can choose to assign any EV you like to Cook. I like to think he’d choose a Porsche Taycan, partly because Porsche supports CarPlay pretty strongly. Tesla has done its part by making EV’s very mainstream, and generally a benchmark in the EV industry. Everybody else is trying to catch up or surpass Tesla, which so far has proven difficult to do for now.

Is this the same TimApple Co. that required recyclers to grind iPhones they received rather than allow them to potentially be used for spare parts?? Apple is UNDOUBTEDLY the greatest greenwashing company on the planet. Where is the Apple Fairphone option for buyers who really want to try to minimize carbon footprint (emphasis on "option")?? If Tim/Lisa want to help Octavia (MotherEarth) they need to get the Apple version of the Fairphone to market ASAP.”

Few seem to buy Fairphones, so far since 2012, they sold maybe 550,000 units total, of that 110,000 in 2022-23 so far, earning about $2.2M in profits in 2021, more in 2022, a very niche product. Those who want it certainly can buy it. But how long do they last? What happens to the replaced modules? If they last 6-8 years, iPhones already last that long or longer w/proper care & battery changes. Most can be repaired if needed.

I see a lot of people brag on here about how long they had their last iPhone but I think it's still way too short. I upgraded from an 8 Plus to a 15. That's six years old but I didn't even use the 8+ that long, I was on a 6S+ before that. Like people are giving themselves a pat on the back for trading in their 11 or 12 for a 14 or 15. The only meaningful changes are the CPU - which you really won't notice that much, the camera and possibly the screen but even that is running out of steam. The main thing is the battery won't last long beyond 3 years.

OLED full displays, superior security FaceID, UWB, improved WiFi & BT chips w/Watch, AirTag & AirPod connectivity, Apple Silicon CPUs, back to solid Qualcomm modem/RF solutions, much better multi-camera arrays for photos & video, optical image stabilization, vastly improved iOS features (but retroactive for some things back to the 6S & 8), 4G LTE & 5G, Crash & Fall detection, Satellite SOS, Precision Find My, industry leading value retention & resale, Apple Stores expanded X 5 times, Apple Services, content, and options have flourished, etc.

Yeah, nothing much has changed.

Because he is grossly responsible for destroying the soul and quality of Apple as we knew it.
No, Some of that died with Jobs, but Jobs handpicked Cook to lead Apple in his place, NOT Fadell, NOT Ive, etc. for better or worse, Apple would have and became a different company under ANYBODY not named Jobs, and maybe even with Jobs in failing health. Cry and moan all you want about the good old days, they’re sadly long gone. I miss Steve too but Apple survived, prospered, screwed up at times, triumphed at times, and is now the largest, arguably the most successful company in the world, despite all your misgivings. It isn’t the same, Apple has evolved, to fit the market, to expand its goals and philosophy, to handle geopolitical issues, to exert the influence it worlds, and yes, maybe still trying to adhere to Steve Jobs mantra of making a difference.

You’re welcome to disagree and state your opinion as you have. Compared to most other tech companies run by various personalities and CEO’s, Apple’s done much much better. No, it’s not perfect, but does continue to strive to be better at what it can do and control. And frankly enriched most who have supported or invested in Apple. I get you’re disappointed and frustrated with what Apple ideally could have been if Jobs had lived another 20 years or so, but then we’d be having the same conversation in 2031.
 

mmm...really

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The question shouldn’t be should Apple make a new iPhone every year.
It should be
Should people feel compelled to buy a new iPhone every year.
If there is a problem it’s with the people that feel they need a new iPhone every model year.
 
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randolorian

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It is unfortunate that the most talented and highly skilled persons on the plant like Tim Cook decide to have 0-2 kids only.

While the rest of humanity that barely makes $1/hr decides to have 10-12 kids.

To me it should be reversed. Persons who make more than $100k annually should have as many kids as those who make less than $10k annually and vice versa.
Watch the moving Idiocracy to see the potential results of this practice.
 

MBAir2010

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in 2018 Tim Cooks visited a NYC show and an anchor person asked him
"does  make a new phone every year to fix the old one's problems?'
Tim laughed......

I thought to my self that Steve Jobs would ask "what problems, how can we fix them?"
Tim is a much better $eo!
 

GimmeDatApple

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If Apple really wanted Tim to be a beacon of carbon neutrality, they wouldn't force him to use a private jet for all of his travel.
 

I7guy

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Why should a consumer have to wait a full twelve months to buy a new phone? This is preposterous! I’d want a new one every day, then they also could optimize away the charging port and MagSafe coil, reducing weight and carbon footprint. Since iPhones are recycled, I wouldn’t see the problem.
Yearly reporting and yearly upgrades have been part of the landscape for decades. I suppose you could get a new cell phone everyday there are certainly enough models out there.
 

needsomecoffee

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Few seem to buy Fairphones, so far since 2012, they sold maybe 550,000 units total, of that 110,000 in 2022-23 so far, earning about $2.2M in profits in 2021, more in 2022, a very niche product. Those who want it certainly can buy it. But how long do they last? What happens to the replaced modules? If they last 6-8 years, iPhones already last that long or longer w/proper care & battery changes. Most can be repaired if needed.
I think you are missing the point. Fairphone (only available in Europe) was three folks who were committed to designing a phone with replaceable/upgradable parts. Literally three folks initially with no resources. They are now committed to 7 years of OS updates, and have provided parts/replacements for every phone they have made. Their committment was primarily to show that the compromises required for users that users who really want to help MotherEarth are not that substantial. So a couple folks design and sell a completely repairable/upgradable phone and sell over a million units to date. I think they proved their point.

As I said, Apple Fairphone should be an optional product line. Apple, with hundreds of billions in cash and access to the world's best engineering and manufacturing talent Apple very likely make an insane version of the Fairphone. Why don't they?? Well it would cast a long shadow on the new/shiny disposable business they mastered which is great for shareholders, but not for MotherEarth. Again... give us the option, and cast that shadow. That would be a real commitment, but the share price might not be so high in the near term (I would bet the long term affect would be up-to-the-right). So "carbon neutral" it is (buying credits, etc.) Thx.
 

AndiG

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In 20-30 years from now on? First of all I guess that Tim is no longer a perspn of interest. Will Apple still exist? I do not know.

But basically, the iPhone 45 ultra super pro will have a faster CPU, better camera and it will suffer from overheating problems.
 

Kierkegaarden

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As far as I know, there is no mandate that stipulates what you can buy and how often you can buy it. If you want a new phone every year, buy it — if not, don’t. You have to give Apple credit for anticipating the potential waste factor and developing robots that disassemble the devices, recycling what they can, and using more materials that are less polluting. No company or CEO is perfect.
 
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I7guy

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Gotta be in it to win it
If a person is a CEO of a megacorp like  and really, personally cares about the environment, it must be hard to reconcile the fact that every device they make eventually ends up in a landfill- Billions of them.
Ultimately — they’re producing untold tons of toxic e-waste.
Yes, many don’t understand it’s not all or nothing and to be carbon neutral, environmentally friendly is a journey, not an end point.

Apple is on a good track with its recycling efforts.
 
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In 20-30 years from now on? First of all I guess that Tim is no longer a perspn of interest. Will Apple still exist? I do not know.

But basically, the iPhone 45 ultra super pro will have a faster CPU, better camera and it will suffer from overheating problems.
0.2nm iPhone chips would be a decade or 2 out of date.

Magnitudes more powerful than any 3nm M3 Ultra chip but have 2x the battery life of a iPhone 15 Pro Max.

By then materials science would discover new substances to improve performance per watt further.

Would Mac Pros be relevant when 2024 Thunderbolt 5 80Gbps (bi-directional) and 120Gbps (uni-directional) would be considered as antiquated as 1996 USB 1.5Mbps?
 
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Powerguru

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Rich kid (Tim Cook) telling all of us how great and comfortable his life is and he is doing all the right things. What he is forgetting is not all are so fortunate. Try telling a billionaire in India. They must have not recycled anything so far in their lives. So imagine the normal people in India. FYI : I am picking India for not apparent reason. It could be any country.
It will be nice if rich people can stop telling us how nice their lives are. I miss Steve Jobs.
 
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yabeweb

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It is unfortunate that the most talented and highly skilled persons on the plant like Tim Cook decide to have 0-2 kids only.

While the rest of humanity that barely makes $1/hr decides to have 10-12 kids.

To me it should be reversed. Persons who make more than $100k annually should have as many kids as those who make less than $10k annually and vice versa.
According to you, Jobs would have never been born…

Money does not make better person, as a matter of fact, most important people were born in poor families.
 
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