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How adiorabe... the buyer's guide! I guess if you need help in making a purchase decision...

It's only political to the extent you feel compelled to politicize it. Mr. Cook has my full support taking a stand as that's in line with Apple's environmental position and commitment.

There are plenty of other companies to purchase tech from where you don't need to be burdened with a CEO taking such a stand. Courage to switch...

Owww upset cause it does not say "buy" across the board :) it's okay those days are over with Cook milking each product.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

Do I seriously need to explain why Trump , the leader of the USA not attending is a political issue in the press? And why Cook is weighing in? How on earth is this not a political issue? Given its a United Nations initiative ??

Or have you finally clicked at the global political and environmental implications of trump.....not attending ?
 
Are you busy pretending to be a scientist?
Everybody can be a scientist nowadays. Look Bill Nye a tv personality which demo some cool stuff, and quote some information that is interesting. His no better than my science teacher or my science nerd classmate. Just say and repeat after me, I am a scientist, I am a scientist, I am a scientist! :D
 
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I believe that if you're still denying climate change is a problem, you are on the wrong side of history.

The compassionate and rational arguments clearly don't seem to affect those with completely selfish short-term commercial interests at the heart of their ideologies, but I think Trump has a huge ego, and so I think Cook and others would do well to appeal to how he will be remembered in the future as much as the serious consequences of not acting to limit the impact climate change will have on everyone living on this planet in the future, including many of us around right now.

Also this idea that a strong economy and strong action on climate change have to be in opposition is flawed. We should all be investing in renewable technology for energy not just because it's the right thing to do as stewards of the planet, but because it's also far more sustainable and ultimately will be far more profitable.

I'm glad Cook, and Musk and others are attempting to use their voices to encourage the U.S. to stay in the Paris agreement. IMHO even that is way below the minimum we need to avoid serious social, environmental and economic consequences coming from not acting more strongly and much sooner, but every little helps a little.
 
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Owww upset cause it does not say "buy" across the board :) it's okay those days are over with Cook milking each product.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

Do I seriously need to explain why Trump , the leader of the USA not attending is a political issue in the press? And why Cook is weighing in? How on earth is this not a political issue? Given its a United Nations initiative ??

Upset? Why? I just think it's precious you apparently need to rely on those recommendations. I make purchase decisions based on my requirements and what's available. No need to look at the buyers guide, Consumer Reports, etc.

Again, TC has my full support. If Apple's positions get you steamed, find a company that plays it safe not taking a stand. Vote with your wallet. Easy.
 
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The environment isn't political. We all live in it.

Apple is pursuing a way to avoid increasing costs of scarcity of natural resources by reclaiming items from eWaste/consumer discards.

Apple's costs could rise, so ultimately Tim is showing his concern for Apple as well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

An agreement between nations , makes it very much political . I suggest you read what the pact is.
 
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Other places don't have the talent that California has, which is the reason it can't be replicated elsewhere.

How many schools have the computer science department equivalent to UC-Berkley or Stanford?

Yale, Harvard, Princeton, MIT, Cornell. Those are just off the top of my head.

How many schools have the film departments equivalent to USC or UCLA?

Plenty in NYC alone! You are forgetting that NYC is the other great media city.

Your mistake is thinking that people are commodities, and that people have the same level of skill everywhere, instead of being shaped by the institutions that exist in specific places.

Your mistake is thinking CA is the epicenter of the USA. It's not - nothing they do or make can't be replicated elsewhere.

Far more people are rich because of their status than because they work hard.
So now you are backpedaling - first it was nobody and now it's Far More?[/QUOTE]
 
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Withdrawing from the agreement despite the settled scientific consensus is very unfortunate and will potentially have very bad consequences for future generations.

It will be one of those moments in history that we look back on and ask "What were they thinking??"

Simple, let other countries sacrifice for us. We've spent decades building up our leadership, with big gaps no other country could possibly leap through, it's time to profit from that!
 
Upset? Why? I just think it's precious you apparently need to rely on those recommendations.

Well if Cook is doing such a grand Job, why so many don't buy? You know what, raise it with the MR editors they set it, and frankly a lot here agree with them.

Though keep moving those goal posts.....worked out why the Paris pact is political?
 
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I appreciate the people who are giving their opinions on the side of Trump who aren't being brash and ridiculous. But wow, all the people who are saying stupid crap just made my ignore list so much better.

I think that the earth and sun go through climate cycles. There is some evidence to support this. However, I also think that man is making the cycle more extreme than normal. Does anyone here who thinks we are on a climate cycle honestly believe that pumping out these poisonous gases will actually help make things better? Well then, we shouldn't do it.

Like everything in life, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Both sides are right to a certain extent. However, where the liberals are wrong doesn't really harm the planet. Where the republicans are wrong does hurt the planet, because no matter which side is right, the climate is warming. It's just a fact. It doesn't matter how it's warming, and hardly any republican that I know (and I know a lot, because I used to be one) would say that polluting the earth is a good thing.

My grandparents raised me to be quite conservative, although today I'm fairly moderate. But they also raised me to take care of the environment and leave it better than I found it. They taught me about recycling, composting, and to make the most out of what God has given us. They taught me that God commands us to be stewards of the earth. And I think that's true and believe it. It is because of my evangelical Christian upbringing that I'm an environmentalist, and I am saddened to see other people of similar belief who think otherwise.
 
Did you hear that the climate research rapport the whole Paris agreement was based upon, consisted of false data (because of a flawed computer model)? The whistle blower was John Bates, a top climate scienist at NOAA, even given a medal for his excellent research work by the Obama administration.


Funny how CNN, CBS, BBC, NYT, WaPo and the rest of the Democrat-globalist corporate media didn't mention this particular news story...
 
You forget that CO2 is a feedback loop. Plants turn CO2 into O2 and people use O2 and exhale CO2. You put more people on the earth you need more plants to clean it up. And then you have to take more plants away to house those people. And you need more plants to feed those people. So you're adding CO2 and removing the things that remove CO2.

Even if you add people without removing plants (skyscrapers) you still need to rape the Earth to build them be it concrete, steel, etc.
You're right. Let's just say screw it and wait for the collapse. Brilliant!
 
Well if Cook is doing such a grand Job, why so many don't buy? You know what, raise it with the MR editors they set it, and frankly a lot here agree with them.

Though keep moving those goal posts.....worked out why the Paris pact is political?

I have no idea. They're opinions to help out people that are not able to help themselves. Why would I raise it with MR? It's simply not an issue for me. Again, I know my requirements and can easily come to my own purchase decisions.

Moving goal posts? Just responding to your assertions.
 
So what, that is not how the United States elects leadership.

How many of those clinton votes were from illegals? We will never know. Besides, the country as a whole elected Trump. California does not get to decide by itself.

California needs to secede. California hasn't influenced a presidential election since the 1880s. Everyone in California can vote for Mickey Mouse and it would have no effect on the outcome of the presidential election. We're held hostage by the ignorant masses in the south and middle of this country, who scream bloody murder about liberal this and liberal that, yet their own states aren't self sufficient and rely on California to prop them up. All those red welfare states sure love the liberal California dollars! Not to mention our tech, our food, our entertainment. Californians need to wake up and get serious about secession before the rest of the country drags us down to its level.

http://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/california-carrying-american-economy-right-now/
 
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I think that the earth and sun go through climate cycles. There is some evidence to support this. However, I also think that man is making the cycle more extreme than normal. Does anyone here who thinks we are on a climate cycle honestly believe that pumping out these poisonous gases will actually help make things better? Well then, we shouldn't do it.

I fail to see how CO2 which is not a poison and is easily converted into O2 by anything that contains Chlorophyll is 100% evil? Sure we may need to limit it but I think we also need to look at the whole thing and maybe it's a combination of an explosive population's needs/wants/desires and the Earth not being able to support that many people.

It's a multi-pronged approach and maybe instead of encouraging people to have 2, 3, 4+ kids we encourage them to have 0 or 1 to get population under control? That will take care of both - less people means less drain on the Earth's resources, less carbon used, etc.
 
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Sounds like you're listening to Fox News.

In reality, the Republican party is killing itself right now. The Democrats just need to relax, get a beer, sit back and watch the tire-fire train-crash implosion that the republicans are doing to themselves.
Lol. If you think a socialist, white privilege, men are evil, Guns are bad, illegal aliens deserve amnesty and bringing in refugees from terror hotbeds, and men can identify as women are registering with voters in the rust belt and states Trump flipped you ate dead wrong.
 
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There Is No Scientific Basis for the Paris Climate Treaty
The Paris Climate Treaty is supposedly an attempt to keep global temperatures from increasing 2 degrees C, but this objective is based on political science, not climate science.

...There is no scientific evidence suggesting a warming of 1.9 degrees C is safe while 2.1 degrees C is not safe.

Climate models that forecast temperature increases of more than 1 or 2 degrees during the next century are not scientific. They flunk the objective requirements of scientific forecasting.


The Paris Climate Agreement Puts America Last
The Paris Climate Agreement would require the United States to make massive reductions in emissions and pay billions of dollars in “climate reparations” to Third World dictators, while requiring no emission cuts from developing countries including India and China.

China’s only commitment in the Paris agreement is agreeing to reach peak carbon dioxide emissions “around 2030” and reducing emissions per unit of gross domestic product by 60 to 65 percent by that time from their 2005 level. This agreement is a gift to Chinese manufacturers and a slap in the face of American industry.

http://thefederalist.com/2017/04/18/president-trump-run-not-walk-away-paris-climate-treaty
 
You're right. Let's just say screw it and wait for the collapse. Brilliant!

No, the point is we can't continue to increase the Earth's population Exponentially (look up the growth in the last 100 years) without consequences.

Someone serious about "climate change" would look at ways to reduce carbon AND population. Best way is to encourage people to have less kids.
 
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That has as much weight as me saying Tim Cook release a 2017 Mac Mini and MBP with 32GB ram and 17" display.
 
Yale, Harvard, Princeton, MIT, Cornell. Those are just off the top of my head.



Plenty in NYC alone! You are forgetting that NYC is the other great media city.



Your mistake is thinking CA is the epicenter of the USA. It's not - nothing they do or make can't be replicated elsewhere.

New York film schools pale in comparison to LA. Everyone in media knows this. New York has great film programs if "art" is your goal, but everyone knows that LA is where it's at if you want a job in the industry.

And no, what happens in California can't be replicated elsewhere. If that were true, we'd see other states driving the US economy, but we don't.

http://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/california-carrying-american-economy-right-now/
 
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