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I can't understand how a company as capitalized as Apple is can't spend the time to update their desktops and laptops on a yearly basis. I realize that iPhones are the priority, but if I recall, MacOS devices are their number 2 or 3 money makers. Even more than iPads. So why push iPads as laptop replacements when the market has shown that tablet OS devices are supplements to computers. Even Microsoft has started pushing the Surface Pro as a laptop, not as a tablet, something Apple can't do because iOS isn't a desktop OS.
exactly. hire more people.
 
Of course. Would you be using an iPhone 7 internals with Nokia 3310 body?

What does that have to do with them changing the external design?

Battery for me. And yes that involves a design change.
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My dream phone :p indestructible, week battery life and snake!!
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Here you can see the major apple product pipelines . The one in the middle is the "pro" one, the others which you cannot see clearly down, may hold something at the end...

As you can see, not clean, there is some old debris on the sides...

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Nope. They can keep the external design the same and improve battery life.
 
Yes, it's a "whine-fest". But it's not unmerited. Just look at Apple's hardware from the last four years. Complacency & Planned Obsolescence.

Really? Intel THEMSELVES stated that the newest Kaby lake processors were around 20% faster than processors THREE years ago.

Would people PLEASE stop treating 2017 as the late 1990s or early 2000s.

My 2010 Mac Pro running a 2010 processor can STILL perform my entire workflow very quickly. My 2016 MacBook Pro does beat it in some areas though.

IMO, Steve Jobs passed away at the right time. People were not demanding touch screens as much as they are now.Around Steve's passing is when Intel processors stopped improving drastically between generation and generation, and just the desktop market became SO MATURE, that I am not sure what even Steve Jobs could do.
 
I don't have a problem with iOS taking over as Apple's consumer computer line, though if this is the case I have some grievances. First, dealing with files in iOS is still one of my biggest headaches as is it's lack of real multitasking. I'm talking about actually being able to run run multiple apps at once as I don't really care about viewing two apps at once, display is to small. Which by the way the system still pauses whatever app isn't currently in use, yea, try downloading a file in Safari while working on a spreadsheet, the download still stops at the 10 minute mark. It's just downloading either, it's the same with any app that isn't in focus, pauses after 3 minutes, sure you can still see it, but it ain't do'n not'n.

I also want mouse support and be able to connect my tablet to a monitor and have it actually support it's resolution, within every apps, this independent resolution nonsense needs to go! Though everyting I've said will never happen as long as that Walled Garden garbage is in place, the root of all evil in iOS
 
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To explain again:
The Pro user base here invested most of their budgets in Apple stuff now to see guys with ridiculous salaries lamentate in the most competitive market (MacBooks, Mac Pro, related IT) on the planet.
Trying to sell us tablets with a phoneOS instead. Not only miserable workmanship, but outright deceivement when it comes to never implemented IBM partnerships, end-of-PC era announcements, switching priorities by the year etc. The lack of providing a future means that all our Pro investments in premium priced Apple IT over the years appear money thrown away (well, we can gaze at their Spaceship of Arrogance where most of the money went...hope it will close its doors and leave this planet soon)

Fair point, I understand the frustration but what's to say that Apple aren't working on a new Mac Pro or new iMac's? I can take your point on that part, but the bit about selling a tablet with a phone OS while it's true, I don't think the iPad Pro is aimed at the serious editor or the serous desktop user.
I don't want to get into the argument about touchscreen Mac's and or a tablet hybrid, simply because it seems to happen a lot of the time and I often feel like I'm repeating myself because I simply don't think they are good. However I do think Apple have work to do with the Mac area and I'm optimistic that they are doing so. The 2016 MacBook Pro with Touch Bar seems a great update as a laptop, but again I understand that there are people so need even more power in the form of Mac Pros.
 
Fair point, I understand the frustration but what's to say that Apple aren't working on a new Mac Pro or new iMac's? I can take your point on that part, but the bit about selling a tablet with a phone OS while it's true, I don't think the iPad Pro is aimed at the serious editor or the serous desktop user.
I don't want to get into the argument about touchscreen Mac's and or a tablet hybrid, simply because it seems to happen a lot of the time and I often feel like I'm repeating myself because I simply don't think they are good. However I do think Apple have work to do with the Mac area and I'm optimistic that they are doing so. The 2016 MacBook Pro with Touch Bar seems a great update as a laptop, but again I understand that there are people so need even more power in the form of Mac Pros.
We haven't seen a respectable Mac in years. We'll just have to wait and see if they release any this year. But it's doubtful.
 
I'd like to see what happens to the iMac this year.

How many ports can they tear out of it?
How much thinner can it be?
What else can be soldered to the Logic Board?
How can Apple push up the price?

iMac Pro?
 
Personally I don't have a problem with their line of product and the way they heading.All for the money after all...Hell Just release a Mac "real" Pro Tower for men,a MacBook "real" Pro for the field, for the rest of us and let us do our job-joyment in peace.I think timmy we deserve it...
 
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What does that have to do with them changing the external design?



Nope. They can keep the external design the same and improve battery life.

If that was the case, 6s plus and 7 plus would have got better battery .
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What do you mean by snake?
The game, came as standard on the old Nokias . Old old school gaming :p this is how we once lived
 
Personally I don't have a problem with their line of product and the way they heading.All for the money after all...Hell Just release a Mac "real" Pro Tower for men,a MacBook "real" Pro for the field for the rest and let us do our job-joyment in peace.I think timmy we deserve it...
In other words, you do take issue with their current offerings. They don't make anything of utilitarian value, but you'd like them to.

Hey, I'm in the same boat. And so are a lot of others. We're just a little more direct in our statements.

But yeah, I too would appreciate "Mac "real" Pro Tower for men,a MacBook "real" Pro for the field for the rest". And so would a lot of others.
 
you may be uncomfortable with assuming, and yet you just did. my "personal agenda"? what would that be?
I didn't assume anything... and clearly you dislike Apple under Cook because it didn't meet your dream desires. The only way someone could attempt to justify immediately assuming words spoken are lies, with no history of lying and no just cause. To make yourself feel better about irrationally being upset with the man and company.
 
In other words, you do take issue with their current offerings. They don't make anything of utilitarian value, but you'd like them to.

Hey, I'm in the same boat. And so are a lot of others. We're just a little more direct in our statements.

But yeah, I too would appreciate "Mac "real" Pro Tower for men,a MacBook "real" Pro for the field for the rest". And so would a lot of others.
Valuable point.Windows 10 do the job just fine,hardware choices is damn great too these days.Run the application,do your job,shut down down the computer.
But the last 10 years I spent half of my day working on computers so I want an OS pleasant in use and in my eyes,familiar,reliable and when I finish my work,often with multiple applications open, just sleep the damn thing and after a break just use it again with no drawbacks.
In simple words,OS X is the only fact that makes me look behind.
 
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Basically guys, there's no need to worry.

Yes a few products are pretty long overdue a spec bump, and the platter drives have long overstayed their welcome, but Apple are in a significantly stronger position now than they were in 2011 — and I don't just mean financially.

A new Mac Pro every year since 2011 would have paled in comparison to their current achievements with in-house chips and so many other things. It's not to say they couldn't have done both, of course! But it's sometimes good to take a step back and see the larger picture.

Rest assured, the new Mac Pro/Mac Mini will come; hopefully along with a more consistent silent hardware upgrade cycle! :)

Hmm … looking for the fine print that says "A paid advertisement."
 
I can't understand how a company as capitalized as Apple is can't spend the time to update their desktops and laptops on a yearly basis. I realize that iPhones are the priority, but if I recall, MacOS devices are their number 2 or 3 money makers. Even more than iPads. So why push iPads as laptop replacements when the market has shown that tablet OS devices are supplements to computers. Even Microsoft has started pushing the Surface Pro as a laptop, not as a tablet, something Apple can't do because iOS isn't a desktop OS.

It's a culture problem at Apple.

When Steve Job's returned, one of the problem the "old boys" who tooko over had, was a lack of direction. They had spread the products out very thin and had no real product guys to offer direction. Apple was literally spamming out all sorts of different machines.

The first thing Job's did was restructure Apple. Get rid of the guys who couldn't figure out how to actually make products, and then took direct creative control over the entire product pipeline.

Then when Tim Cook took over, he's tried to keep that mindset. All product decisions go through him or the small group of executives. They have completely decsision on all. They're directly involved in all product lineup decisions, design and implementations. Same as during the Job's era, But now without a Jobs

Unfortunately, to further compound the issue, Apple has grown at fantastical rates and serve more people now than they have ever done in the past. But unstead of hiring new managers, or executives to head up individual product groups, They still believe the 4/5 of the executives can control all the products.

and it's pretty damn telling in the last 2-3 years that they can't. Years they focus on iPads, Mac's suffer. When they finally focus on a single new Macbook (Pro), the iPads and iMacs get forgotten. this cycle keeps happening every year. So this year Tim Says "PRos" are their focus, So what will they be sacrificing to focus on "pro" market? going to forget about the Mac consumer lines? No new Mac Air / Mac Book till 2018 then?

this cmopany needs a big culture change to be able to avoid overly focused mindset that often creates blinders on the exec's and they ignore other things while focusing.

and it really doesn't help that the current exec team seems to be very out of touch with a few of the market's they're claiming. It's almost like Apple's idea of "Pro" is the typical accountant / paper pusher, and thats the only thing they seem to be able to deliver to. they have no ability to see what the whole market looks like. They believe they are right all the time, and nobody can say otherwise. Just look at how confused Schiller was after the MacBook Pro launch and how he didn't understand why there was so much "hate"
 
Just look at how confused Schiller was after the MacBook Pro launch and how he didn't understand why there was so much "hate"

That would be part of the #SurfaceStudioeffect the day before...they worked VERY HARD on that Emoji bar with new ARM chip and were flabbergasted it was not enough to placate apl faithful. Plus he had to fill up time on stage fussing about the emoji bar for the pulled Imacs that day as to not be further embarrassed. (That's Why it was so long to say so little ) It did not help that on YouTube Apl disallowed comment on the MacBook pro launch video...while Surface Studio one was filled with anti apl comments and like 20Million views
 
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[QUOTE="LordVic, post: 24356388, member: 614799"Just look at how confused Schiller was after the MacBook Pro launch and how he didn't understand why there was so much "hate"

That would be part of the #SurfaceStudioeffect the day before...they worked VERY HARD on that Emoji bar with new ARM chip and were flabbergasted it was not enough to placate apl faithful. Plus he had to fill up time on stage fussing about the emoji bar for the pulled Imacs that day as to no be further embarrassed.[/QUOTE]

That's basically my point.

The current lineup of devices Apple sell are what Apple executive believes people want, because they designed these devices to meet their own specification. They seem to have a hubris about them where they believe if they design it, and come up with it, it's right, it's perfect, and everybody else should be fine with it.

you have Cook making comments that he does all his work fine on an iPad Pro, so he believes most people in the world will be fine on an iPad Pro

Cue/Ive/Schiller can do most of their work on a super thin, performance limited "Pro" laptop, so they believe most of the world can also do the same. And therefor most of the world will be just as happy with the same device.

this is Hubris. This is a complete lack of market empathy. A complete lack of paying attention.

I hate being the "Jobs would never" guy. But it's one thing that set appart the Apple under S.J and today. I know the old statement everyone will bring up from Jobs where he says he tells people wha tthey want. What I believe the new Cabal is missing that Jobs had, was that SJ at least paid attention to the world. And he understood that there were multiple uses. A pro machine's focus was not the same as a consumer focus. and that there were OK places to sacrifice for savings, and there were some places you don't sacrifice.

While I don't think he would have outright said no to the current MacBook pro for example, I doubt he'd have let them release it in it's current state.
 
If that was the case, 6s plus and 7 plus would have got better battery .
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The game, came as standard on the old Nokias . Old old school gaming :p this is how we once lived


I'm 23, does that mean I'm old? I remember playing snake.
 
That would be part of the #SurfaceStudioeffect the day before...they worked VERY HARD on that Emoji bar with new ARM chip and were flabbergasted it was not enough to placate apl faithful. Plus he had to fill up time on stage fussing about the emoji bar for the pulled Imacs that day as to no be further embarrassed.

That's basically my point.

The current lineup of devices Apple sell are what Apple executive believes people want, because they designed these devices to meet their own specification. They seem to have a hubris about them where they believe if they design it, and come up with it, it's right, it's perfect, and everybody else should be fine with it.

you have Cook making comments that he does all his work fine on an iPad Pro, so he believes most people in the world will be fine on an iPad Pro

Cue/Ive/Schiller can do most of their work on a super thin, performance limited "Pro" laptop, so they believe most of the world can also do the same. And therefor most of the world will be just as happy with the same device.

this is Hubris. This is a complete lack of market empathy. A complete lack of paying attention.

I hate being the "Jobs would never" guy. But it's one thing that set appart the Apple under S.J and today. I know the old statement everyone will bring up from Jobs where he says he tells people wha tthey want. What I believe the new Cabal is missing that Jobs had, was that SJ at least paid attention to the world. And he understood that there were multiple uses. A pro machine's focus was not the same as a consumer focus. and that there were OK places to sacrifice for savings, and there were some places you don't sacrifice.

While I don't think he would have outright said no to the current MacBook pro for example, I doubt he'd have let them release it in it's current state.

If Apl does not watch it (pun intended) a similar scenario could be in play in September 2017...can you imagine what carnage would happen should Microsoft redefine mobile with a Surface Pocket the day before Iphone Pro launches? Won't be pretty to say the least...and at this point Apl could not pull it even if they wanted to.
 
You missed an important part of the OP: "sorry but it is incredibly painful on an iMac - assuming of course, that you don't burn it out when rendering."

Of course, it's not just rendering. I am doing some numerics (physics research) and our tower Mac Pro can run its 12 cores at 100% for whatever periods of time while keeping cool and quiet. An iMac nor the trash can Mac Pro can do that.
and what are you doing on the computer while it's using all those cores?

nothing.

that's why i don't get the 'painful' bit.

i'd way rather have a computer working super fast while i'm using it than while i'm not.

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render on the cloud.
it's laughable how much faster and cheaper i can render on my laptop than you could on a 12core 'beast'.

i render on a 36000 core supercomputer for ~$1 per image.
a full size full quality image takes about 30 seconds now. last decade, the same image would take about 18hrs on my mac pro.
 
If Apl does not watch it (pun intended) a similar scenario could be in play in September 2017...can you imagine what carnage would happen should Microsoft redefine mobile with a Surface Pocked the day before Iphone Pro launches? Won't be pretty to say the least.

I'm still not convinced on the Surface Phone. though I would like to see Microsoft finally get some real attempt at mobile. Previous windows phone attempts were so mismanaged and planned it's not a surprise they have failed already.

The Surface Phone needs to be a "pro" quality device. it needs to be able to run full windows in continuum. It needs to support WIn32 apps in Continuum mode. And in 'phone' mode, it needs developers to provide real programs. the "surface" phone can be the hottest thing ever, but if it cannot provide at least a bare minimum level of application support, it's doomed.
 
I'm still not convinced on the Surface Phone. though I would like to see Microsoft finally get some real attempt at mobile. Previous windows phone attempts were so mismanaged and planned it's not a surprise they have failed already.

The Surface Phone needs to be a "pro" quality device. it needs to be able to run full windows in continuum. It needs to support WIn32 apps in Continuum mode. And in 'phone' mode, it needs developers to provide real programs. the "surface" phone can be the hottest thing ever, but if it cannot provide at least a bare minimum level of application support, it's doomed.

It will run "Windows on ARM" so that opens up for now all x86 programs and later all x64 programs, effectively allowing it to run Chrome or whatever.. it will be the very best hardware and software and like all surface products will redefine the category with new form factors and (hinge) ...it'll sell outright and OEMs like Samsung will develop copies like they did Galaxy book . Apl will caught with it pants down and look around at a crumbling eco.

Microsoft and Samsung settled about a year ago..expect a strong partnership going forward. At least with Microsoft Pro means PRO
 
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