There's that one user who sold 30 phones who said his orders are being silently canceled
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There's that one user who sold 30 phones who said his orders are being silently canceled
I don't think it's "finally over"
I haven't been able to order in about 3 days. It should still work. I saw that extra step you're speaking of today. It seems that Verizon / Apple are updating their systems. I didn't see anything that indicated this hole was being patched, though. Some people I know personally have had successful pickups today.
I used different Verizon accounts - Family members have their own.
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Well I just started my port over. Status reads:
Your port request has been submitted, but no response has been received. We expect your port request will be completed within 10 business days.
How long was yours at this? And did it finally port over?
I know you're a few days ahead of me, so I just wanted to get a rough estimate on how long it's gonna take.
When I ported my mom's Virgin Mobile number, there was no need for an automated system (rep took the info, and said 'great it's all done'), and my moms number was on the unlimited line in half hour. Next time, definitely going a prepaid SIM card route or something.
-edit- upon some Googling (heh), it seems that Google Voice numbers are landline numbers, so that's why it takes long both ways vs mobile - mobile routes.
If all of the accounts are in the same geographical area and it is not a major metro area, I bet what happened is they noticed suspicious activity in that area and are hand reviewing new line orders and canceling them if they see a new UDP line.
I really appreciate your help! It gets my mind thinking and helps me find workarounds. Getting to 30 mark wasn't just an easy task, I had to find workarounds to get there.
How many phones have you done?
NONE!!!! I have a special plan that can only add lines through Verizon. Waaaaaah!!!
This is why I am living vicariously through you, lol! Actually though I am not as brave as you. I fear the BIG GREEDY EVIL RED. I need to keep my UDP and what I would fear is that they would terminate my contract. I know we have discussed this before on here and you disagree but I know they can do that to you. They just can't make you pay an etf.
I figured one of you would trip some sort of suspicious activity flag. Looks like CNote did, too.
I never said I disagree with that. I'm just not scared. I've got my device, and now have family members that have extra UDP's that I could use if need be. I'm not asking why you didn't take advantage of this, because I understand not everybody thinks like I do
Verizon says you cannot resell their service, but I don't think that's whats happening here.
In fact, this is really only helping Verizon. Ultimately, whether on unlimited plans or not, Verizon wants more subscribers locked into 2 year contracts –*and that's exactly what Marky is doing here.
Verizon is still recouping the subsidized iPhone cost through the 2 year plan, more people are receiving an unlimited data plan, more people are able to buy iPhones from individual sellers, and Marky makes money.
Hypothetical rough example:
Verizon spends $700 on iPhone.
Verizon receives $300 for iPhone.
Marky sells 2 year UDP contract for $80/month: +$1920 verizon
Marky sells iphone for $700.
Result:
Verizon: +$1520
Apple: +$700
Marky: +$400 ($300 spent on phone, sold for $700) (+ sale of UDP, say $200) = + 600
Right?
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$35 activation fee from Verizon, taxes, $1.25 for every day he doesn't sell the unlimited line, and if he uses a service like eBay, then it's like -10% approx.
The Lines were probably sold 150ish to move them faster.
Fair enough. I was leaving out a few details for clarity. But yeah, still not a bad deal for anyone involved.
I didn't take advantage of it because I COULDN'T take advantage of it. But I wouldn't have the guts to do 30 even if I could, lol!
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There is a lot more wiggle room language in the CA. They can cancel you for basically any reason that they deem negatively impacts them or their network with the exception of illegal reasons like race, nationality, etc.
Your option is then to arbitrate with them and if you read the CA you will see you agreed to a limitation of liability. I went over all of the issues with arbitration and damages before. I am correct on this.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/support/customer-agreement
Verizon doesn't think it helps them to have more UDP lines according to everything that they say publicly. I do not foresee them changing that position in public.
I don't doubt you, but it seems so bizarre to me for Verizon to basically say:
"Hey John Doe, you locked 30 people into contracts for us (that maybe/probably wouldn't have added lines if they couldn't get unlimited plans), but now we want to cancel your account (despite you being a customer for 10 years and giving us thousands of dollars a year)"
All because of a loophole through the Apple website, that they clearly already know about. (Yes, I know their broader public stance is no unlimited ever again.)
I don't think they care that much, and perhaps are wise enough to know this benefits them, especially since they can cancel the unlimited plans at any time, even if they are in contract.
They (Verizon) know what they are doing here!
Why don't they offer UDP lines for $30/mo to everyone then? People would flock to Verizon from ATT for those.
They know about it but to fix it requires them to patch their interface with apple and right now they are in the middle of the iPhone 6 launch, so not a good time to have to test out a new interface patch. I expect after the holidays no sooner than February they will fix it.
Perhaps since it is such a small number, but the more on contract UDP lines they have, the bigger economic hit they take if they do that.
I suspect that people are tripping suspicious activity flags and Verizon is piecemeal implementing solutions rather than patching their interface with apple. So Cnote now has to put a deposit to add a line and Mark is just getting his canceled. If they keep pursuing this, only time will tell what Verizon will do.
too many transactions.
iphones and aol's.
pulled my listings…. had to spent time to fix.
also restricted to list in certain categories.
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damn dude, you might as well put up a step by step guide for verizon…..
it will eventually be down…. do you really want to make it that easy for them?
Chill.
Some forum posts aren't making or breaking this whole thing.
By your logic, this thread should never have been made at all.
HEY VERIZON, BIG BUG ON APPLE'S SITE, YOU BETTER SHUT IT DOWN QUICK BEFORE YOU GO OUT OF BUSINESS!
I have a question for everybody I recently purchased a UDP plan via the Add a line method with the Apple store and also a 5C. I would like to sell both. Can somebody please walk me through the steps. I am very confused about the Sim card and whether it will be activated to the number if I sell the iPhone in the box. Do I need to act the activate the iPhone on the account first and then sell please can somebody walkwalk me through the steps after reading 50 pages of this thread my head is spinning. I'm just not sure of the exact steps. Thanks for all your help in advance
Question for all:
Currently have a single line Nationwide Talk & Text 450 plan, month-to-month, UDP. I do not see the option for unlimited data when I add a line at apple.com
Is there any consensus that it seems to work more for people on family plans as opposed to single lines?
If so, would it make sense to convert my plan to a Nationwide Talk & Text shared plan (700 min) and activate an older phone for the second line so I could then use this method to procure an additional UDP line?
Thoughts?
Currently have a single line Nationwide Talk & Text 450 plan, month-to-month, UDP. I do not see the option for unlimited data when I add a line at apple.com
Is there any consensus that it seems to work more for people on family plans as opposed to single lines?
If so, would it make sense to convert my plan to a Nationwide Talk & Text shared plan (700 min) and activate an older phone for the second line so I could then use this method to procure an additional UDP line?
Thoughts?
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