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Apple Confirms Google Gemini Will Power Next-Generation Siri This Year

bladerunner88 said:
Google❓ Whiskey Tango Foxtrot 🍏 Interogative‼️

• FFS Buy perplexity already‼️
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Perplexity is a useless and expensive company , soem were claiming 30 Billion! for what? JUst connecting a search index with Commercial LLM is not a big deal anyone can do what perplexity is doing. Thats exactly what Apple is doing Getting a commercial LLM and then connecting it with their own search indexes.
 
jicon said:
Apple showed an iPhone user asking Siri about their mother's flight and lunch reservation plans based on info from the Mail and Messages apps.

Search and AI is tough.
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This is really basic stuff that Android phones have been able to do even before Chatgpt was first released. For a company like Apple which makes the first party Mail and Messages app it should have been elementary
 
poppy10 said:
A necessary move, but it's unacceptable that the company the size of Apple wasn't able to develop its own in-house AI models and had to outsource to Open ai and Google. They had literally hundreds of billions in a cash pile waiting for deployment, they could have bought Open AI or Anthropic at an early stage if Tim Cook had had the vision to see where the industry was headed, rather than just sitting on his laurels and releasing endless iterations of the same iPhone and watch bands
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Have you not seen Apples Models? Anyone can make models its easy just a money game. Apple is practical!
 
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CPTmom2wp said:
No they do not. No Google account and no purchasing anything ever from Google platform. Only people who were ignorant enough to give them access to their data e.g., Gmail users,Gamers, Google Home, etc. have been compromised. Those of us who stayed in the Apple ecosystem, including purchases, mail, messages,Apps, have been protected from our data being monetized and used by Google.
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So never bought from Amazon, never applied for a job online, health appointment etc? Sure?
 
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CPTmom2wp said:
No they do not. No Google account and no purchasing anything ever from Google platform. Only people who were ignorant enough to give them access to their data e.g., Gmail users,Gamers, Google Home, etc. have been compromised. Those of us who stayed in the Apple ecosystem, including purchases, mail, messages,Apps, have been protected from our data being monetized and used by Google.
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Apple uses Google Analytics and Google Ads integration (including end user identification) in Apple News feeds, including the News app itself, and the news integrations in the Stocks and Weather apps.

Are Apple platforms by-and-large more organized around privacy of user data, or the ability to keep your data private, than others? Sure. Is Apple's privacy "focus" mostly feel-good marketing? Also true.
 
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ignatius345 said:
Privacy also matters. I think a lot of people who use Apple products do so because they tout privacy so much. If it turns out they're handing Siri data to Google on a silver platter, it's going to erode that reputation.

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Privacy

Apple products, including Apple Intelligence, are designed to protect your privacy, because privacy is a fundamental human right.
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If this turns out to be true, I personally would have less of a problem with it, I think (pending any new information about the privacy of said data).
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I think this is the point that people aren't putting enough thought into. What you're saying is 100% right, so why would Apple risk all that by just handing over all the data to Google?

Everything so far points to it being like a library that has bad dictionaries. You love your library because they don't track you; you can check out most any book you want, but every time you want to look up a word you're frustrated because they only have Joe Bob's Crappy Dictionary at this library. But now they announced that they're replacing Joe Bob's Crappy Dictionary with the Oxford English Dictionary. They're not making you go to a different library, you're just going to be able to look up words and get a much better definition now.

Everything we've seen so far indicates that they're just using a better dictionary. Nobody has said anything about sending users to the library across the street for all their dictionary needs. Why would they knowingly tarnish their reputation by sending you across the street when they could just stock that dictionary on their own shelves (especially when they just invested so much in creating nice privacy protecting shelves)?
 
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This makes perfect sense.

Why waste time and money developing your own when you can use someone else's.

Its the exact same reason why Apple and others dont create their own search engines etc.


Pragmatic and it means we can move forward with Siri 2.0 as expected.
 
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As long as Google learns absolutely nothing about me and can’t aggregate to learn and track or pester me with ads I’ll be ok with it.

Otherwise Apple Intelligence will remain off and Siri might join it.
 
ahaslam said:
This is disappointing news to me. I prefer ChatGPT to Gemini. I don't like Google products at all.
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I thought Apple was cozying up to ChatGPT?

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iOS 26 to Bring ChatGPT-5 Integration to Apple Intelligence

Apple Intelligence will integrate OpenAI's newly launched ChatGPT-5 model when iOS 26 arrives next month, Apple has confirmed (via 9to5Mac). The integration means Siri will tap into the latest AI model when Apple's own systems can't handle specific requests. ChatGPT-5, which OpenAI announced...
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mlayer said:
The more this plays out the more it reminds me of Apple's response to the browser wars. Key release years:
1995: Netscape Navigator
1996: Internet Explorer for Mac and Apple Cyberdog
1997: Netscape Communicator, IE made default for Mac
2003: Apple Safari
2007: mobile Safari (iPhone)
2008: Google Chrome

Like what's happening with Apple's AI efforts, the browser thing for Apple came in fits and starts. I downloaded the first beta of Cyberdog, it was interesting but not that useful. It took seven years to put out a usable browser, then another four to make the mobile version of Safari, which was adequate as the app economy exploded. No company is going to be immune from making bad bets, back in the late 90's it was OpenDoc. You just have to hope that you get one right and that you have enough cash (and personnel) to ride out the wrong ones.
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Cyberdog isn't really a good example in this case. It was really designed to showcase the potential of the OpenDoc framework to encourage more developer adoption of OpenDoc itself. It was not really well positioned as a daily-use browser. Its development stagnated when OpenDoc itself failed to gain any meaningful traction because it had no other real purpose.

It was seven years before Safari was released, but I wouldn't say it took Apple seven years to release it. They didn't really put any serious effort into developing a web browser at all until Microsoft made it clear that IE for Mac was going to be a dead-end (Carbon-only, no future feature improvements). Safari's original development was relatively fast as it was mainly a port of Konqueror to Mac OS X with some interface improvements.
 
I don't think it's in Apple's DNA to accumulate the amount of data required to train a good model. It is smarter to partner with someone who specializes in that IMO. And this means that Apple's not overextended when the AI bubble bursts. I'm sure they will maintain necessary privacy protections. I think this is a good call.
 
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Robert.Walter said:
As long as Google learns absolutely nothing about me and can’t aggregate to learn and track or pester me with ads I’ll be ok with it.

Otherwise Apple Intelligence will remain off and Siri might join it.
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I don’t get it. What makes you think Google knows nothing about you now? Any data you’ve provided to companies, government organisations etc is freely available. Some of it may be anonymised but there is so much of it that a perfect full picture of you is available for sale.
 
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Not a fan of this. I'd rather Apple build in-house models, but they do seem to be struggling with software as a whole now. I'm assuming this means the ChatGPT integration will drop off.
 
tennisproha said:
I'm assuming this means the ChatGPT integration will drop off.
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Interesting question. I'm not so sure. If the model on device that is powered by Gemini cannot answer the question, it will still need to punt to the cloud for the answer. Does that then use actual, real Gemini or go back to ChatGPT like it does now? Apple pays nothing for their OpenAI access, so there is no advantage to removing it unless being all-Gemini, all-the-time provides a more consistent experience between things being done on device and things done in the cloud.
 
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