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Even more laughable is arguing temporary minor inconveniences to "hundreds" of employees comes before the safety of a country.


Your bordering on Paranoia, if not more. More americans are killed by toddlers with guns than terrorism in the US.

This order will achieve very little in the way of "protecting" the US.
 
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Can we have an honest trump support agree that this is racist?

Now we have deniers of the word 'ban'.

This disinformation is getting ridiculous.
 
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That's what worries me deeply. I was planing a trip to New York in Summer, but knowing that half of the country are nut jobs i cancelled.
Not sure what you mean there?
Only about 50% approx of the US abult population voted (if you ignore the ilelgals and such that voted and shouldn't have). Of that 50% it was roughly split down the middle for Trump and Hillary. She got slightly more votes. So 1/4 of the nation voted for Trump and 1/4 voted for Hillary approx.

So half the country are nut jobs? The only half I see there is the half of the nation that didn't vote. Or are you referring to a different half?
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Can we have an honest trump support agree that this is racist?

Now we have deniers of the word 'ban'.

This disinformation is getting ridiculous.
A muslim is a person who practices the Islam faith. People from many different races are muslim. This has nothing to do with race whatso ever. Just like Obama's 2015 Act. That was nothing about race either.
 
I wonder where a lot of you guys get your news.

Good on Tim. Roll out the legal challenges. This is not "exactly the same" as anything Obama did. And even if it WAS, how would that make it any more right?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...mparing-trumps-and-obamas-immigration-restri/

Trump is NOT keeping you safe, he is stoking your misplaced fears and lighting a fire under the types of people who are likely to commit terrorist attacks. This. Is. Stupid. Everyone qualified enough to make the call says as such. Anti terrorist professionals around the world publicly face-palmed at the whole thing.

I live close to a lot of immigrants, we have refugees, etc. We get along fine. My daughters' school just had their annual supper for peace, where people bring their multicultural foods to share and learn about each other. The kids have none of your outmoded prejudices. We're proud to look out for each other.

Religious and ethnic exceptionism makes things worse. Fear is the mind killer.

I would think then that the UK should take all of the refuges that were slated to go to the US since you claim that there are no issues.

I thought that one of the major reasons brexit was passed was because a majority of voters were concerned about who the UK let it. I guess that not all your neighbors feel the way that you do about this issue.
 
Both are possible, but do you really believe that requiring a interview at the embassy is the same as a complete ban?
It's not a complete ban. Both Obama in 2015 and Trump now have a lot of exceptions to their temporary bans.
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Is Tim seriously considering opposing the president cuz of a temporary inconvenience?
Did he oppose the previous president when the exact temporary inconvenience also occured? As far as I know he did not.
 
Just like guns, people seem to like to point to "something" in response to incidents like this because violence, murder and insanity are in all of us but thankfully as individuals most of us can control those things but they aren't something you or others can take away or control. So given that the response is to try and remove or blame something else. How's that working?
Would you support extreme vetting for any gun purchase? After all, only a tiny fraction of gun owners commit violent crimes but shouldn't we stop them from getting a gun seeings how many more people die from gun deaths each year than terrorism. What's wrong with asking a gun purchaser for their social media accounts and phone contact list? If they are cleared then they get to buy a gun. If they are not then they don't.
 
Evidence?

Increased recruitment among terror groups; increased funding flowing to said groups, increased arms purchases since Black Friday, and unanimity among those of us who protect you from such things.

Perhaps you'd care to offer evidence suggesting we are somehow more safe?

No, but I would support extreme vetting at the ballot box.

It would certainly run counter to your own interests, but OK . . .
 
Would you support extreme vetting for any gun purchase?

No. We have a right to own firearms as defined by the 2A. Want to change that then there's a process to go about doing it. Immigrants don't have a right to come to our lands. It's a privilege and we have a right to decide who comes.
 
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Just recently the Ohio State attacker in November injured 13 people. St. Cloud mall attack injured 10 people. Manhattan bomb explosion in September injured 29 people.

I'm sorry they have already taken over your side of the world. We aren't going to become the next Germany or Sweden.

What are you smoking. What manhattan bomb? I live here. no bombs. Nice try fear mongering though by making stuff up.
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Gee, it would be nice if Apple paid some more taxes and did something to improve working conditions in their contracted chinese labor camps too.
Maybe Tim could do a deal with Trump where they pay some more tax, build some things in the USA and then the administration might be more able to listen to him rather than this approach?

You odn't understand trumps platform. He wants to lower taxes. Did you miss the last 18 months of his campaign?
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Your bordering on Paranoia, if not more. More americans are killed by toddlers with guns than terrorism in the US.

This order will achieve very little in the way of "protecting" the US.

agreed. it will do the exact opposite. and playing right into the enemies propaganda.
 
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It would certainly run counter to your own interests, but OK . . .

I doubt it. Removing dead people, non-citizens, and identity stealers from the ballot box would clear things up quite a bit. Adding in the requirement that voters have at least a modicum of political awareness beyond "D" or "R" would just be gravy.
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More americans are killed by toddlers with guns than terrorism in the US.

So far. You say that like it could never change.
 
No, but I would support extreme vetting at the ballot box.
I doubt it. Removing dead people, non-citizens, and identity stealers from the ballot box would clear things up quite a bit. Adding in the requirement that voters have at least a modicum of political awareness beyond "D" or "R" would just be gravy.

I'm sure we're all waiting with bated breath for reliable evidence from you.
 
No. We have a right to own firearms as defined by the 2A. Want to change that then there's a process to go about doing it. Immigrants don't have a right to come to our lands. It's a privilege and we have a right to decide who comes.

So you believe it's ok to let nutcases get guns and commit mass murder by not require a more stringent vetting process for potential gun buyers. We already have laws in place requiring some checks, what's wrong with closing loopholes and making the checks better?
 
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Increased recruitment among terror groups; increased funding flowing to said groups, increased arms purchases since Black Friday, and unanimity among those of us who protect you from such things.

Perhaps you'd care to offer evidence suggesting we are somehow more safe?. . .

According to whom and this upswell has triggered that this quickly? Let's be realistic. Your statement is hogwash in all its fine form. aka fear-mongering.

Safer? Yes. We are currently missing information for background and id checks for the majority of people that want to come to the USA from these countries and the governments there is unable or unwilling to give us the information / data to execute a standard vetting. To ensure these folks are who they say they are and have the proper ethics/morals/mindset (aka not a terrorist to terrorist supporter) we need what is being called extreme vetting. Getting this makes us safer in respect to who is allowed into the USA.
 
So you believe it's ok to let nutcases get guns and commit mass murder by not require a more stringent vetting process for potential gun buyers. We already have laws in place requiring some checks, what's wrong with closing loopholes and making the checks better?

Easy answer - let's only allow people to own firearms who have completed an honorable term of service in the military. That even takes into account the "well-regulated militia" clause.
 
I am referring to hiring Americans in the US. And never mentioned anything about the Wall. Different topic. Maybe you haven't had your coffee today ;)

I mentioned walls, not The Wall. I meant it like building barriers. But of course that Mexican wall will be another silly wall, only topped by the Great Wall of China and the Berlin Wall in fame.
 
Yet Tim Cook remains hypocritically silent over the plight of thousands of Cubans currently being shut out by Obama's last minute policy.
 
According to whom and this upswell has triggered that this quickly?

Obviously you've never been part of a national security organization. I am. You're free to believe it or not; I could care less. But those are the facts: recruitment is up since election day, and up even more since Black Friday, as is fundraising.

The entire national security universe recognizes that the actions taken to date have made us less "safe." The only people who don't are the political hacks who refuse briefings on what the actual threats are, and on how to counter them.
 
Obviously you've never been part of a national security organization. I am. You're free to believe it or not; I could care less. But those are the facts: recruitment is up since election day, and up even more since Black Friday, as is fundraising.

The entire national security universe recognizes that the actions taken to date have made us less "safe." The only people who don't are the political hacks who refuse briefings on what the actual threats are, and on how to counter them.

Not saying you aren't, but the facts don't fit the picture. Cause and reaction do not happen that quickly in that arena to allow the message to get out, ire is raised, recruitment is up substantially, we see it, and we determine the root cause.
Sorry, the sounds and feels like the same old tirade that is dusted off and trotted out.
 
I doubt it. Removing dead people, non-citizens, and identity stealers from the ballot box would clear things up quite a bit. Adding in the requirement that voters have at least a modicum of political awareness beyond "D" or "R" would just be gravy.
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So far. You say that like it could never change.

Of course it could change - like anything can. It's just the risk factor and apparently it's very small judging recent history.

Your more likely to be killed by another american today, and tomorrow, and the next day etc.

Looks like Trumps Fear Mongering has been successful on you.
 
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Great work, Trump. Completely unnecessary drama and a huge waste of political capital spent for a vulgar (and let's he honest, racist) ego trip geared toward coddling a chunk of the country who wants a racially pure fake utopia that never actually existed.
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Führer Trump does not like your attitude or Cook...he may demand a full FBI investigation with arrests possible.... this is now ...One party government and there will be no action against it.
 
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