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Apple Delays Leopard Release

zub3qin said:
Will Apple be willing to announce that 100% of Leopard features will function on the currently available MB/MBP and iMacs? If they do, lots of people would buy today. Why wouldn't Apple be willing to announce this. They'd sell a lot more macs now.

If they don't, then my assumption is that the rumored new interface with multitouch/touchscreen? is heavily used by Leopard and I for one am going to WAIT.

Any thoughts?
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Don't expect multi-touch this year in Mac OS X (or soon but we could always be surprised). In no way would Leopard depend on such a thing either.

I cannot think of any thing that won't work just fine on currently shipping Macs. The only edge case would be the system using Intel Integrated graphics ... those may not get the full acceleration of QuartzGL and related items but I would expect things to degrade nicely.

If I needed a system I would buy one now... If I could wait a little while I would see what happens after Intel releases the new chip-sets (a MacBook with the new chipset would have better integrated graphics, hence more future proof).

In fact Leopard will likely on average improved performance on existing hardware over Tiger.

The only unknown, that is hard for outsiders to answers, is how much new hardware is tied to Leopard... did Apple plan to not bring out hardware until Leopard or is 10.4.9 ready already or do they have a 10.4.9+ with added hardware support waiting in the wings.

I lean toward Apple not being tied to Leopard for the near term hardware updates.
 
hahahaha this is what happens when you make fun of another company for their delay in Vista and now your's is delayed? way to look like an idiot. I like how apple made a point to rag on vista and its delay, but yet they are delayed over a phone? come on.
 
Well, I do feel disappointed. It's like finding out a week before Christmas that due to other commitments you won't be able to get together with your family until February.

On the other hand, I do get where Apple was going here. They knew Leopard was going to be delayed and somebody had denied it officially to a press outlet. They have a choice at that point: act fast to make sure there is no delay, or correct the record ASAP, so the company doesn't look like a habitual liar.

As for the iPhone story: Why can't the iPhone *and* Leopard's bugs be a joint reason for the delay? I tend to buy the iPhone influencing Leopard's status just because of the enormous nature of the iPhone's launch. This is all Steve & Co. have been talking about since January. The buzz is huge for the iPhone. There's no *way* they could have pushed back the iPhone; from the minute they set a timeline on it, and then continued to reiterate that timeline in their ads, they *had* to make it first priority.

At any rate, after I finished sniffling sadly here over the delay of Leopard, I thought of the extent to which this would really have an impact on sales. It might influence the likes of us to sit back and wait on buying, but will it influence others? Let's face it, how many people walk into a computer store, wanting to buy a computer, and actually know what they're talking about? Most people just want a computer, and though they like the talk of the latest bells and whistles, they haven't got a clue about what that really means. Are regular buyers (not the die-hards) really going to say, "Well, your computers aren't loaded with Leopard yet? I'm not buying!" ?
 
Veritas&Equitas said:
No offense, but this just *reeks* of the Vista delay. 6 months later?!
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Might want to brush up on your basic math skills. June -> October = 4 months. Not 6.

I hope many of you Mac users will lay off the Vista crowd for their delays now.
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No chance. 4 or more YEARS delay + many major dropped features = hilarity. 4 months delay = nothing much. If Vista had been delayed 4 months nobody would ever have noticed or said anything. You need some perspective...not all delays are equal.

--Eric
 
This screws academic users!!!

I have not read through all the pages of comments, but this is the worst news for academic users. My 5 year old G5 lab was to be updated and working with our IT department putting together a new lab for our multimedia/design and film editing students. This puts us in a sticky situation as funding is allocated in July not October! (Yet a sign that Apple cares very little about education, what's new!!!) Furthermore, we use the summer to iron out any bugs with our OS X servers and client machines. An October release is just bad timing and now it looks as if we'll have to work over Christmas break to get Leopard functional on both servers and client machines...what a nightmare this is going to be.

On the corporate side, I have read that Apple has no long term debt and has something like 12 billion in the bank. They could have hired and/or contracted additional programmers to work on the iPhone and/or MacOS X client/server. This is very bad news. I just cannot buy the iPhone is sucking Apple's engineering and programming departments dry...that's the best BS I've heard from Apple in a long time and I'm sorry Steve's RDF needs new batteries or an update itself.

Now Vista is already nibbling away at the Mac OS X marketshare and it will continue nibbling away what Apple has so carefully built. New "Get a Mac" ads such as ones recently posted are not stopping consumers from Vista. There is little difference on the front-end between Vista and OS X. Discerning consumers won't care, it's all eye candy to them. It's until they actually see the usability of Vista, then it's to late. People are not going to bother taking a machine back to BestBoob (aka Best Buy) for a restocking fee. They will put up with MS for another machine and it just goes one...generational Windows users.

I was nervous when Apple took the name "computer" from their corporate name plate and this does nothing, absolutely nothing to fortify their position in mindshare for me.

I feel the Mac is the "black sheep" of Apple and the iPhone is Steve's Mac os 1983! I honestly feel the Mac is near death!! It needs adequate resources to survive.

To those who say it's not like Copeland, Gershwin, etc... Well sure it is I saw Copeland when I worked at a reseller during the mid 90s. Apple, at that time, told us 6 months, then it was another 3 months and another 3 then never. Well Apple is sort of pulling out the same song and I've heard it before from Apple.

God only knows my students cannot design and edit film on iPhones. If Apple were to pay more attention to the Mac and give it the treatment it deserves, people would no longer hold off and purchase them.

Today, I felt a great disturbance in the force and it was from Apple itself.

On a personal note, so much for waiting until October to purchase a MBP. Looks as if I'll get one before summer session begins...teaching online classes rule from my local Starbucks...LOL.

P.S. Perhaps the next Mac's name should be either (1) MacLisa or (2) MacNewton...that's what the Mac is being dwindled to.
 
zub3qin said:
Apple knew for some time... or at least knew 10 days ago when theyclaimed the Digitimes report re: october were incorrect and Spring 07 was the release date. What changed in the last 10 days?
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Likely there are many departments at Apple. and they don't talk until some meeting take place. But meeting need time to be scheduled because some key person is already booked or has a conflicting dentist appointment or whatever.

Apple is betting to much on this phone. It will likely be the nicest phone on the market for maybe 6 months, and then there will be 20 more just as good. Once Apple proves people will pay double the going price lots of others will offer $600 phones too.

But if they don't keep their OS well ahead of everything. If OS X is not the best, by far the whole reason to own a Mac goes away and the company goes down hill fast. They can not afford to slack off on Mac OS development
 
APPLENEWBIE said:
Lets peruse some current BBC headlines, shall we?

Don Imus fired by CBS, NBC.
Afgan Bomb Kills Canadian Troops.
Kurt Vonnegut Dies.
US Lacrosse “abuse” case dismissed.
DNA settles Anna Nicole Smith Paternity Case.
Oil Rig Capsizes in the North Sea with fatalities.
Bomb blasts Iraq Parliament building with fatalities.
Cricket Match: New Zealand V Sri Lanka.
Pakistani troops are helping tribesmen fight militants on the Afghan border.

Man! You would think something as important as a four month delay in a computer operating system would get some “love” on the BBC…
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Its on the front page of MSNBC and usatoday. Aren't folks sleeping in UK at this hour? Wait until tomorrow.
 
Well, I'm still chugging along on my 10 year old mac desktops. I really wanted to buy a mac laptop and because of all this OS and hardware bruhaha, I too, delayed purchase.

But, all I really care about doing on the computer is recording music.
I don't give two ***** about iPhones, iPods, iTunes, iLifes, iPhotos, iTVs, iVaginas, iPenises, etc, etc and so on.
I don't have the slightest idea what any of this stuff does but chances are its all cotton candy fluff anyway, at least as far as I'm concerned. Maybe somebody can tell me whats so great about this stuff as I am at a disadvantage being ignorant about them.

I am worried about Apple transitioning, though, into a consumer electronics company that specialized in iPhones, iToasters, iAirConditioners, iRefrigerators,
iVacuumCleaners,etc and phase out hardcore computing.
On the other hand, all those embedded consumer computer appliances might be the stuff that brings in the most profit that lets Apple maintain the personal computer aspect and be innovative with it and have to depend it being the sole profit maker for it.

But in the meantime, if anybody can point me to a decent $1200-ish PC laptop with either 2 seperate firewire busses or a single firewire bus and an express34 slot so I can hook up an ad/da interface and a recording hd to it, I'd be much obliged.
:D
 
Leia1912 said:
Well, I do feel disappointed. It's like finding out a week before Christmas that due to other commitments you won't be able to get together with your family until February.

On the other hand, I do get where Apple was going here. They knew Leopard was going to be delayed and somebody had denied it officially to a press outlet. They have a choice at that point: act fast to make sure there is no delay, or correct the record ASAP, so the company doesn't look like a habitual liar.

As for the iPhone story: Why can't the iPhone *and* Leopard's bugs be a joint reason for the delay? I tend to buy the iPhone influencing Leopard's status just because of the enormous nature of the iPhone's launch. This is all Steve & Co. have been talking about since January. The buzz is huge for the iPhone. There's no *way* they could have pushed back the iPhone; from the minute they set a timeline on it, and then continued to reiterate that timeline in their ads, they *had* to make it first priority.

At any rate, after I finished sniffling sadly here over the delay of Leopard, I thought of the extent to which this would really have an impact on sales. It might influence the likes of us to sit back and wait on buying, but will it influence others? Let's face it, how many people walk into a computer store, wanting to buy a computer, and actually know what they're talking about? Most people just want a computer, and though they like the talk of the latest bells and whistles, they haven't got a clue about what that really means. Are regular buyers (not the die-hards) really going to say, "Well, your computers aren't loaded with Leopard yet? I'm not buying!" ?
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Well there are people like me who are not die hard computer users who use PC and are thinking about switching to Mac. I have been ready to get something new. Many in my shoes held off on a new laptop when Vista was released, thinking Apple will be just a couple months away (Apple masterplan?) but now we are thinking, I don't want to wait until October to get a computer that is twice as expensive with an OS that is rumored to be buggy.

Apple isn't or shouldn't be focusing on most Mac users here. Apple is supposed to be going after the PC users like me that make up 90+% of the world and would make a HUGE impact in their revenue if just a small group of us switched over. But Apple sure is making it tough for us to switch.

Hope the phone is worth it.
 
Know your history, please

OS 10 was YEARS LATE too, with MULTIPLE rewrites.

How is that different to Visa?!!!!
BIG :rolleyes:


Eric5h5 said:
Right. Because there is no difference at all between a few months and several YEARS. :rolleyes:

This is actually fantastic news, because now we'll get 10.4.10 and beyond...my guess is that the last version will be 10.4.12. AND THEN THE IDIOTS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE VERSIONING SYSTEM WILL HAVE TO FINALLY SHUT UP! Yay!

--Eric
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Delayed til October?



Kaaaaaaaahnnnnnnn!
 

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Leopard announcement delayed because of Dentist Appointment

ChrisA said:
Likely there are many departments at Apple. and they don't talk until some meeting take place. But meeting need time to be scheduled because some key person is already booked or has a conflicting dentist appointment or whatever.
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This is the best thing I heard all day. A dentist appointment.
 
screw it! i'm buying my macbook pro tomorrow...the waiting for leopard was killin me and now they pull a vista on my %&$
 
I'm not happy about the delay, but I'm unhappier about the stated excuse. Why would Apple say that Leopard was being held back because they had to divert resources from OS X to iPhone? It's like admitting that with two of the most important releases in the company's history coming up, they mismanaged their resources. All it does is damage Apple's credibility.
 
Wow. This is shocking and quite disappointing to me. I have been sitting here excitedly waiting Apple to announce the preorder date and to be able to have the copy before summer. But October? That's a long wait and a disappointment to the mac community. It also degrades their claims of superiority to vista. Now, don't get me wrong, I hate vista and xp and cringe every time I have to use them. But Apple is starting a bad trend in having to push back their products from the original time line they disclose (ex: Apple Tv, now Mac OS). Part I don't get is, if the iPhone and Mac OS are big money makers, why not hire extra developers to get the product finished? Just like Sears and Walmart hire seasonal help during Christmas. All I have to say is, this is going to upset a lot of people, even some investors. They better make the wait well worth it with blow away features and having iLife and possibly iWork included with it as rumored a few days ago...
 
And I "was" ready to buy a BlackBook..... but now... no reason. Thanks Steve. I was looking toward Leopard within 2 months. And I was going to buy another Mac. Now... the only thing there is left to do is smoke pot til' October.

Leopard was going to be my anti-drug. Now I'm still left with 10.3 and a broken heart. :(
 
I guess my anger over the sudden but not surprising news is fading away.

I'll wait 'till October - or until it's ready.

In fact, I'm not dissapointed at Leopard being delayed - I'm angry at the reasons (or supposed reasons) as to why it was delayed.

It feels like BS, especially after reading about the latest Leopard release dated 04-12 (today).

I didn't like it when they dropped Computer out of their name. I didn't like that there was very little, almost NO comment about Macs, or software in January.

It's true, the iPhone is Job's new sibling, along with the now matured line of iPods.

I just hope I don't have to go back to building my own PCs and installing Windoze because Apple dropped the ball developing software and hardware for us Mac users.

And, what if the iPhone is a flop?

I'm skeptical, but hoping Apple stays on track.

Spit upwards and it may fall on your face. This is kind of what's happening to Apple now. Talked so much crap about MS being late, and now look at them. Yes, you're right by saying that 4 months (or 6) isn't much compared to Longhorn...err Vista, but you've :)apple:) had two products delayed during this year :)apple: TV & now Leopard)

Stop the non-sense, overly done, repeated and tasteless "I'm a Mac I'm a PC" commercials and cut the BS.
 
After switching to Mac a few months back, I was seriously thinking about replacing my Dell 700m with a new macbook (once they get updated). Now, I'll probably be getting a vista machine if they don't update their hardware.

Very crumby news indeed... Does this threadh ave the most negatives in MacRumors history??
 
queshy said:
After switching to Mac a few months back, I was seriously thinking about replacing my Dell 700m with a new macbook (once they get updated). Now, I'll probably be getting a vista machine if they don't update their hardware.

Very crumby news indeed... Does this threadh ave the most negatives in MacRumors history??
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I think someone should email Jobs a link to this thread.
"Look Pa', what your recent announcements have done to your Mac community.":rolleyes:
 
queshy said:
After switching to Mac a few months back, I was seriously thinking about replacing my Dell 700m with a new macbook (once they get updated). Now, I'll probably be getting a vista machine if they don't update their hardware.

Very crumby news indeed... Does this threadh ave the most negatives in MacRumors history??
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Hey- I'm in your boat. I have a Dell Inspiron 6000. What are you going to get to run Vista? Any recommendations?
 
My God, how many negative posts from newbies can we get on here in one day? This slight delay announcement sure has really brought the them out in force. I can't recall seeing so much knee jerking overreaction to anything on here in a long time.

In the meantime, at least Macworld has posted an editorial tonight that brings some much needed sanity and common sense to this entire episode.

Link
 
huampoyotl said:
I don't know what to do!!!, I have an old PC and I need urgently to buy a new computer, and I was to switch to Mac with the Leopard release in June, honestly I think that I if I switch now I wont have the best product! I'm very dissapointed!
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Switching now or later does not matter. If you buy now it will be the best thing when you buy in Oct. You will be like well if I wait another 6 months something better will come out. IF you need/want one go ahead and buy. Everyday people buy computers and every day something better comes out that is just the way that it works.
 
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