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I'd sooner they delay Leopard than come out with a buggy substandard product. I'm willing to wait. I may not be patient about it, and I may not have much of a choice,,, but I'll wait..:eek:

I totally agree. Can't you, all people, wait? Remember, the longer the wait, the better the surprise; and, don't you think that the delay will also give developers time to adjust, work and recommend other things? They will have a nearly-final release now in june.
I like the idea of having the time between the announcements of the new features (that I expect now to be expose-killers!) and the release of the OS; it has always been like that; and another bright side is that now I can wait a little longer and get Leopard for Christmas when it is on version .1

Microsoft engineers may be laughing but, I'm pretty sure, they have now their copying-intinerary screwed.

About the iPhone, well, I do think that it will be an admired product. Doing things right has (almost) always been the motto for Apple, so if having to dedicate more time to a new product and delaying an os update some months, I guess, it's the right thing to do. After all Apple doesn't own you anything...

lets be patient and hope for the best
 
I bought stocks based on their denial of posponment.

That was such a big fat lie that I think a law suit is on the way.
Well, apart from being an odd reason to buy a stock in the first place, I don't recall ever seeing any press release from Apple denying the recent rumor. Also, forward-looking statements and projections are all speculation. There's no guarantee of anything until an official shipping date is announced, and even then, only limited liability for meeting it.
I see apple no differently than i see a person, because apple really is run by one person, steve jobs, and as such, he needs to be questioned when he acts hypocritically.
Hypocrisy is a fact of life; everyone does it. Everyone who made fun of Vista (or Duke Nukem Forever) for its perpetual delay was not doing so from a perspective of never having been late. It was a spectacular failing on Microsoft's part because they didn't just plan a new version--they made announcements and roadmaps and held press conferences. Then they missed all their deadlines AND nearly all their announced features for four years.
Hate to be a cynic, but I know a little something about PR and the concept of news cycles.
Apparently not, since you're the one ranting about the "lies" denying rumors. You don't control the message as a spokesman. The schedule remains posted in black and white, and the company remains officially comitted to it until it changes. When the order comes from the top to let it leak that a product is delayed, that is the first time the message changes. Even if you denied the exact same thing yesterday, you can issue a press release today confirming it. That's just the way it works.
Way back when, it was originally slated for Fall '06 before being pushed back to Spring '07, so you could say it's a year late.
You could say it's two years late if you wanted. It wouldn't be true, though. There has never been an announced time frame except Spring 2007. An article and an army of bloggers referencing that article doesn't constitute an announcement.
Shawnce, you're plain wrong. I guess you just haven't been around long enough to remember. Originally, it was slated to come out at the exact same time as Vista (Fall '06), even BEFORE Vista was delayed.
Pot, kettle, black. Leopard can't have been delayed before Vista, because "Vista" was first delayed in 2003, before Panther had even shipped. It was also never officially coming out in Fall 2006--a bunch of bloggers and journalists ran with the idea of a "response to Vista" shipping at the same time. None of us with developer access ever got any word other than "Spring 2007" until today.
That these new products run OSX is irrelevant. Do I ever see OSX? Can I develop software to run on Apple TV or the iPhone? Apple so far says no. They could run Windows for all I care. The user never sees it, developers never see it.
Oh, so OS X was developed by magical fairies and didn't require any help from Apple's engineers, developers, and core platform staff? Fantastic. I guess that means we can all go home, and that since it's "never seen" by the users, it's not really OS X. What exactly is seen of OS X by the users if userland applications and GUI interfaces don't count as OS X?

Gosh. They sure are abandoning the software they've spent hundreds of millions of dollars on and all that fairy dust they wasted on expanding the OS X architecture to new products and platforms. I bet there's an update tomorrow replacing all the software with Windows 98 on all Macs, AppleTVs, and iPhones. Riddle me this: if they didn't care about OS X anymore, why would they bother making a press release about the change of plans? After all, it's as good as dead to them, if we believe you (we don't).

I guess Intel stopped caring about CPUs when it shipped the Pentium 4 late, and Creative Labs stopped making sound cards since it couldn't get its Audigy 2 out the door on time. Let's not even think about what ATI and nVidia decided to do when half of its GPUs don't ship as planned; I wonder what ever happened to those companies? Maybe we can ask Adobe or Sun or even Microsoft. Hmm, no. All of those companies abandoned their products, too. AMD must be enjoying the women's shoes business after it got out of semiconductors (we all saw it coming when AM2 was late).
 
Er, what? What? My upgrade from 10.3 to 10.4 took 15-20 minutes. I did not re-install any programs. I did not copy any data. I did not re-customize my computer. None of my settings were changed. The only thing that changed was that the OS had some new features as the result of being 10.4 instead of 10.3. Seriously, that's it. I do not understand....
I can only assume he meant moving from one Mac to another... but yeah in place upgrade is quick and easy.

On a different topic it seems like a lot of new folks are wanting to come to the Mac and are getting confused by posts from unreliable sources on boards such as these... I feel for folks that have been holding off for various reasons because of misinformation. :(
 
Microsoft engineers may be laughing but, I'm pretty sure, they have now their copying-intinerary screwed.
Actually, with Vista already out, and Leopard delayed even further, it would seem that the Apple engineers have THEIR copying-itinerary screwed. I can see it now at WWDC, "At Cupertino, we've already started our photocopiers! Just wait a few more months!"
 
HA. I knew there would be the one to defend Apple. It is no different.
And, oh, by the way, this is how the 5 years started with MS (they would delay little by little). Not saying this will happen with Apple, but just an example to show it is no different than MS, BUDDY. So stop trying to treat Apple like it is holier than thou.

I doubt defending Apple is the motive but more of understanding / being ok with the situation.

And, we still haven't seen these secret features. Steve claimed that that they were to prevent others from copying Apple. :rolleyes: Yeah, MS is going to be able to cram all these secret features into Vista Service Pack 2.

What is a secret to you - do you tell the secrets bestowed upon you 1 month or 2 before the person making you privy to the information decides to go public. We may not see them at all until Steve is on a stage and showing it off with the end of his speech being "Available Today".
 
Gee, now I guess I sort of wish I had some interest in the iPhone. But I don't.

I was really looking forward to the new version of OS X. There's nothing new in it that I need though, so I don't think I'll miss it. I'll just play with my Vista machines for a while.

Considering Apple's tiny share of the personal computer market, I'm sure there's a lot more money for them in phones and other consumer electronics -- so I can't blame them for giving priority to the phone.
 
The amount of negatives on this story is hilarious, but c'mon, it's not that bad. If it takes an extra 3-4 months, they still released faster than MS' 60 month delay. Let's get a grip here.
 
But you're missing the bigger picture. Apple doesn't seem to care about computers anymore. Will there be an update to the now dated line of computers? Will there be any price drops as parts prices are dropping like a rock?

Answer to all of these is leaning to NO. Apple is overreaching, is at a risk of losing their base. They can't jettison their computers and operating system, especially not now when they HAD a chance against Microsoft.

Maybe now is a good time for a Linux switch. At least Linux gets updated and PCs are now a heck of a lot cheapter.

This is not directed at dmelgar but most people USE* their computer and not just play games or have the feel to have the latest and greatest.

*USE is dependent on not only an operating system but the hardware & software.

We are currently blessed with 10.4 which is solid & sound and there are currently nothing needing 10.5 as far as software goes so the only loss to use due to the delay is aprox. $129 for an upgrade and if that is enough to make you wait then you probably don't NEED.
 
I don't think it's the delay, but the vague excuse for the delay.

Don't get me wrong. I'm looking forward to Leopard like everyone else, but I have no problem with them getting the iPhone ready. If that sucker becomes a commercial success, it will far exceed the iPod, and the Mac (though will probably push both of those numbers up as well), and propel Apple even further ahead of the competition.
 
oh. . . my. . . god

when I read the news I wanted to cry. I've been waiting for a new major macbook pro release since the last release when I had no money haha. I've saved up for a Mac and when I heard SR and Leopard would possibly be out in June I decided to wait. I might as well wait till Penryn chips come out in January. This is ridiculous. A computer company should be more professional then this. ahhh we are not amused!
 
It's a business decision...

How can you not recognize that decisions like this, whether made by microsoft, apple or american motors (remember them?) are based on the best available information by the people that are authorized by stockholders to make them. Anyone who thinks that a decision to delay Leopard is some sort of plot to revise the direction of the company by ner'-do-wells hijacking the company is just deluding themselves. Apple would doubtless release both the iPhone and Leopard EARLY if they could, but resources just prevent that... Apple is and will be a company with computers as it's mainstay. Remember, iPhone is a computer! As is the :apple: TV. I'm not saying that these decisions and decision makers are infallible (witness American Motors). But I think that the history of this company in the last several years has shown some great management. Let em' work!
 
Hi,

Just joined the forum to share my disappointment that Leopard is delayed. But I think people are criticizing Apple a little too much in transfering engineers to ensure that the iPhone is released on time.

First of all, Apple has partnered with Cingular with the iPhone and are probably obligated to ensure its done by June. Imagine if the iPhone got delayed by 3-4 months, giving all of Cingular's competitors more time to come up with cheaper (in both senses of the word) look-alike knock-offs. I think Apple has made Cingular bend their traditional business model enough that Apple should deliver on their end.

Second, I don't profess to know what the iPhones sales to be, but it definitely has the potential to have a halo effect, regardless of sale numbers. Think about the iPod. It's basically a glorified HD. It's a passive device. But it has a halo effect. Imagine the thought process of someone playing around with an iPhone. ("Wow. This is how I always wanted a phone to work. And you say this company makes computers ALSO?")

Most people looking forward to leopard are already converts, reading about the latest rumor. A good iPhone debut will create positive mindshare even for those who balk at the iPhone price.
 
the Apple fans can cry, bang their heads on the wall, or kick their dogs all they want. Deep down, they know that they will always come back to Apple and buy their products. :D
 
How can you not recognize that decisions like this, whether made by microsoft, apple or american motors (remember them?) are based on the best available information by the people that are authorized by stockholders to make them. Anyone who thinks that a decision to delay Leopard is some sort of plot to revise the direction of the company by ner'-do-wells hijacking the company is just deluding themselves. Apple would doubtless release both the iPhone and Leopard EARLY if they could, but resources just prevent that... Apple is and will be a company with computers as it's mainstay. Remember, iPhone is a computer! As is the :apple: TV. I'm not saying that these decisions and decision makers are infallible (witness American Motors). But I think that the history of this company in the last several years has shown some great management. Let em' work!

It is nice to know that there are reasonable people here, that think further than themselves :p Totally agree here; as I said before, it is probably the best decision to make.

Actually, with Vista out, and Leopard delayed even further, it would seem that the Apple engineers have THEIR copying-itinerary screwed. I can see it now at WWDC, "At Cupertino, we've already started out photocopiers! Just wait a few more months!"

hey, good one! hahaha
 
Oh my dear lord in heaven !!!

:confused: :confused: :confused:

What is going on here ?

Not buying a new mac because an upcoming new version of an already superrior OS has been delayed ?

Blaming Apple, Inc. for making the wrong move by focusing on the Apple Phone, instead of focusing on an update of an already etabslihed, and proofen OS ?

The only thing you can blame Apple for, is that they do not ask for a qualification test from a certain group of Switchers, if they´re really know what hell of a machine and OS System they are going to use in the future and if they are worth it ;)

But seriously ... sometimes I miss those days when a bunch of complaining Ex-Windows Users would still sleep with there Ex-System ! How dare you comparing the OS X Situation to the Vista Situation. We´ve been there years ago ... now the Vista People have there "newborn" but our baby is already on the way to grow into a man ...
While I´m happy for every newborn in this world ... it is a totaly different world being "involved" with a teenager ... especially when the puberty phase is running a little longer ;o)

I really don´t understand those in here that constantly tyr to tell the world what apple´s mistakes are ... People ! ... did you really get what Apple has become ? Are you not aware of the development and the transition of the Apple, Inc or there constantly raising stock market value over the time ?

I´m sure all of you guys would give a "hilarious" :D substitude for Steve at the next Macworld Expo ;)

Just get-a-life and build your own "We-do-the-right-things-and-know-it-all" computer / consumer electronics company and show us all how it is "really" done ! In the meantime I will enjoy the luxury of using my Apple "Gadgets" that were predicted to be doomed by those guys !

Like I said ... the only thing that will bug me in the future with Apple (on a more unserious base ;o), is the fact that more and more users (unfortunately many of them being "switchers") will join the :apple: world ...

Steve Jobs is not a god but he knows what he is doing ... :apple: is not the only system out there but still a supperior system to many others ... and finally ... it is time to wake up and realise that the Apple, Inc. is going for a different target then just being the home of a selective group of computer users like in the past.

Saludos

p.s. Isn´t it lovely that you can buy a computer and later upgrade the OS, isn´t it ? :rolleyes:
 
RealMcCoy I guess you are right that it is not as bad as it seems. My post earlier was my initial reaction to this incident
 
Not to get into conspiracy theories, well maybe just a little. Isn't the iPhone running on a full version of OSX which now with the push-back the OS would be Tiger. Perhaps Apple wants all the new iPhone users to upgrade their Tiger based phones to Leopard ones? I could be wrong but it's something to think about.
 
I can only assume he meant moving from one Mac to another... but yeah in place upgrade is quick and easy.

Have I totally lost the point of this conversation? It's possible. ;) I thought we were talking about a Mac now (or better yet, yesterday!), and then upgrading it when Leopard comes out. Which is a trivial matter. Surely better than agonising over waiting for Leopard to come pre-installed, yes?

On a different topic it seems like a lot of new folks are wanting to come to the Mac and are getting confused by posts from unreliable sources on boards such as these... I feel for folks that have been holding off for various reasons because of misinformation. :(

Too true....

Actually, with Vista out, and Leopard delayed even further, it would seem that the Apple engineers have THEIR copying-itinerary screwed. I can see it now at WWDC, "At Cupertino, we've already started out photocopiers! Just wait a few more months!"

What, exactly, is there from Vista that's worth copying? Since in some respects Vista is just a poor imitation of 10.4, you're saying that 10.5 is going to be a copy of an OS that's a copy of 10.4? So, in essense, Apple is copying themselves? Ooookay....

--Eric
 
First thought: well that F@*king sucks.

This is not good for several reasons

1-the iPhone can now officially Blow me.
2-this is probably a good indicator that we won't get much in the way of new harware until leopard ships (which is after the timeframe I have to buy a comp for college, real cute apple)
3-Vista will be able to get a service pack out (if needed and it prolly well) and get a nice foothold without any competition from Leopard
4-iWork and iLife (esp. iLife) prolly wont get updated until near or with the Leopard release
5-I don't want to be a whiny a$$'d little B!t<h (too late I guess) but this does seem to add credit to the idea that Apple is caring less and less about their comps and their faithful computer users.

Possible good things (ehh... I have being positive)
-this will give Apple time to iron out problems (there was a recent article somewhere that said Leopard had major bugs and was no where near releasable)
-hopefully some better GUI. I personally thought the shift away from the brushed metal was a bad one. I don't want Mac OS to start looking bland, I mean it doesn't need to have the candy coated shine of Vista, just some visual interest is all I am asking for. Computer nerds like pretty things too:(

Leopard better knock my socks off when it comes out.

and oh ya,

the iPhone can blow me
 
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