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Apple Delays Leopard Release

Indeed it's bad news for us not only waiting for Leopard but also for all the potentially related hardware updates.

But on the other hand, indeed Tiger isn't exactly sloppy although as I'm waiting to buy a Mac Pro I would have appreciated better multi-core support.

And for those poo-pooing the iPhone, let's not forget that the iPod was slagged by a lot of people on this site when it was announced and in case I was missing something that device not only turned around Apple as a company but had a global cultural/social impact also.
 
RealMcCoy said:
Wake up Bro ! Just get used to the fact that Apple is going for a bigger goal than just being a computer company ... the huge opportunity is the iPhone ... the next Generation iPod and so on ... Tiger (or Mac OS X in general) is already where M$ is just starting with ... or do you really think that Apple will be gaining a much bigger portion of the worldwide computer market with just the release of Leopard ?
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bro, w/o OS X, apple ain't ****.

besides, how much time and resource does apple need for an already outdated phone?
 
I've never seen more negative votes for a news item. This has clearly annoyed a lot of people!
 
Okay, after 1 1/2 years after the switch I'm still extremely happy with Tiger, compared to Windows. I don't mind, that Leopard is delayed for four months, because Tiger is still so much better than Windows (for me).

Earlier releases are always welcome, but what can we do? Nothing.

EDIT:

And I think/believe that Apple hasn't "abandoned" their computer-business, like some people say on this board.

Let's see:

The current OS is extremely compatible with Windows-formats, the new computers even can run Windows natively, it is stable and secure (so far), so Apple is not in a great hurry to improve their OS. Some things are quite sluggish/bad, for me it is the shared "folder"/computer thing.

What are people asking for? The little things, that people get annoyed about in Tiger will be gone with Leopard, I guess. I have only used Tiger, but I have the feeling after Leopard there won't be much left to improve in the OS. Of course there is always room for improvement, but the ease of use and the productivity in Tiger is already amazing. I think Apple has already an OS which satisfies most of the computer users. The OS-market, when it comes to Apple, has reached a point where they need to step up to a new level (iPhone) and focus on other things, if they want to keep making profit.

And I strongly believe, this year will be quite exciting for the Apple-consumer. The iPhone is coming, a new OS is on it's way, and probably new Hardware as well. I can't wait to see all those things arrive at the store around the corner.

Sorry if I didn't make perfectly sense, I'm still improving my English.
 
sunfast said:
I've never seen more negative votes for a news item. This has clearly annoyed a lot of people!
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I have to admit to being utterly baffled by much of the response to this announcement. Seriously, folks, get over it - it's not like Steve Jobs ran over your dog.

Exactly how much of your hardware needs Leopard? And software?

How much of your hardware or software is problematic under your current OS version? And how much of it will work better under Leopard?

The answer to those four questions would be: none, none, none and none, then.

Are you seriously saying:

"Well, gee, Apple, I'd rather have a buggy piece of sh*t released at the WWDC in June than have you wait until October and do it properly. No, please, I've read all those lists of Vista incompatibilities that still exist after five years of development and I feel soooooo left out that I want to experience this as well. Please, please rush the software out regardless of QA, and then I'll really have something to whine about."

Fer chrissake, I pottered along in 9.1 for seven years feeling no particular urge to upgrade because my software and hardware all worked just fine as it was.

Short version: can you do all the stuff you want to do with your current Mac? Yes? Then shut the hell up.

Bah!

Jim
 
Make me happy

Release Leopard to work on any intel, and I'll go get myself a nice vaio, flybook, or tablet pc in the meantime.

p.s. I own a macbook pro & imac but want something small
 
I think instead of shifting staff over from Leopard development, they needed to just hire more people to deal with the iPhone. I don't know how often Apple intend to update the iPhone, but it is already outdated, and other mobile phone companies seem to release new phones every quarter.
 
I think it's a shame that Leopard is being pushed back until October. All I can say is Thank God Stephen never made fun of Microsoft for Vista being late...

Hunabku said:
OK, I can accept that it would take a longtime to train/educate a standard developer to write code for OSes and developer tools. I could also accept that apple would rather not spend the effort to educate them.

But come on, they did drop the ball here - they've been in iPhone development for over 2 years and thats plenty time to find unix OS and developer tools programmers that already exist outside of Apple.
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I disagree. They had no way of knowing this might happen and no way of planning for it. They were only planning on developing a phone that "ushers in an era of software power and sophistication never before seen in a mobile device, completely redefining what you can do on a mobile phone".

Just because Apple had never released a phone before and was planning to invent the end-all be-all of phones, how could they have predicted and planned in advance for the possibility that it would take a lot of time and resources to develop?...
 
So this has brought some frank realizations:

Waiting until October is stupid.
Yes, waiting until October to buy my MacBook would be ridiculous. The most I'm prepared to wait for now is Santa Rosa, but even that seems a bit silly. The temptation to just buy a MacBook now is overwhelming, and I keep hovering over the refurbished store. After all, it's not like Leopard's going to require new hardware, because as much as everyone was touting it as the surprise, I don't think the Personal Computer Revolution mark II is coming this year.

The Mac isn't dead, nor is it the only game in town anymore.
Just because you didn't sign up for more info about the iPhone, a million people did. It was all over the international press, along with the release date of June. Pushing that back would damage Apple's standing way more than pushing Leopard back a few months, as the iPhone might actually be the most anticipated product Apple have released since I don't know when. I'm not that fussed about it either, but whoever said that Leopard and iPhone dropping in one month would have been overkill, I agree with them.

There probably isn't going to be touch sensitivity in Leopard.
I know I certainly considered it, but now I'm more or less convinced that there will be no revolutionary touch sensitivity - or any other kind of Leopard-dependent - hardware coming down the pipes this year. I don't know why, but pulling developers from OS X would lead me to believe they're still not quite down with the whole touch sensitivity game, which would lead me to believe that it certainly isn't in any kind of releasable state for OS X (even if they are working on it, I doubt they are).

So yeah. I'll be taking my new MacBook... when's SR out again?
 
Whats going on?

Although I am a pc user, soon I was going to get a mac after Leopard was released, but I am gonig to get one asap now. I love Apple and am worried that they will drop or lose intrest in the computer market which I think they are doing so well in. Maybe Leopard will have some amazing features in it though and make it worthwhile, all of Apple's previous releases (in everything) has impressed me! :apple: rule!
 
900 Posts In 12 Hours Is A Pretty Fast Filling Thread

How are we supposed to read all this? I hope the Stoakley-Seaburg Penryn 8 Core Mac Pro will be able to ship by the time Leopard ships in 6 months. Meanwhile, I feel torn between waiting for that and wanting something newer than my 2005 Quad G5. But maybe I don't need all those cores this minute. Looking forward to the NAB event this Sunday morning. Maybe we'll get a clue what impact the delay in Leopard will have on the Final Cut Studio 6 product. :confused:

Seems like we're gonna need an 8 core for Tiger update if those cores are going to work well together. :rolleyes:
 
xJulianx said:
I think instead of shifting staff over from Leopard development, they needed to just hire more people to deal with the iPhone. I don't know how often Apple intend to update the iPhone, but it is already outdated, and other mobile phone companies seem to release new phones every quarter.
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This is not how Steve works. He will have a team of superstars working on iPhone - they'll probably be in a seperate building hacking that thing into existence.

If you think it over given that iPhone is running a variant of OSX it's hardly surprising that superstar OSX programmers have been hijacked to make sure this thing is running tight.

The only thing this really brings into question is :

what exactly did we see at the keynote all those months ago if superstar programmers are still working on iphone. That product looked pretty polished to me....

so ;

are they 'adding' super secret stuff to iphone or is it simply that for the last 12 months plus that these superstar OSX guys have been away from Leopard and that were only just hearing about that today!
 
Jim Campbell said:
I have to admit to being utterly baffled by much of the response to this announcement. Seriously, folks, get over it - it's not like Steve Jobs ran over your dog.

Exactly how much of your hardware needs Leopard? And software?

How much of your hardware or software is problematic under your current OS version? And how much of it will work better under Leopard?

The answer to those four questions would be: none, none, none and none, then.

Are you seriously saying:

"Well, gee, Apple, I'd rather have a buggy piece of sh*t released at the WWDC in June than have you wait until October and do it properly. No, please, I've read all those lists of Vista incompatibilities that still exist after five years of development and I feel soooooo left out that I want to experience this as well. Please, please rush the software out regardless of QA, and then I'll really have something to whine about."

Fer chrissake, I pottered along in 9.1 for seven years feeling no particular urge to upgrade because my software and hardware all worked just fine as it was.

Short version: can you do all the stuff you want to do with your current Mac? Yes? Then shut the hell up.

Bah!

Jim
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Well said fella.
So what if its delayed? I say iron out the iPhone problems before release.
 
Delays

This is a disappointment, you can't deny that. It also raises a number of quandrys:

-firstly, what is going to be discussed at the WWDC in June?
-secondly, Apple have to refresh their hardware before this date however many people like myself will want to purchase new hardware with the new OS so we could potentially see updated macs with a voucher for leopard when it's released.
-mac sales which are already starting to dip are likely to dry up between now and August and then spike up again.
-What do we have to look forward to in the UK? We've already been told that we will not get the iphone till dec now we have to wait for leopard in august which means all we are likely to see between now and then is maybe some new ipods and minor hardware revisions to the pc range - woo hoo! NOT
 
For us audio chaps it's very frustrating!!!
True 64bit means huge sample libraries in huge amounts of RAM, so rather than 10PC's running Gigasampler, one Mac running Logic, nice!
 
I found the delay disappointing but better to have a ready product than release a beta one like Microsoft most of the times does (there are notable exceptions like Windows Server 2003)
 
aricher said:
Ouch! This is horrible news. So much for a spring delivery. I guess they expect to make more off the iPhone ecosystem than their desktop/portable OS.
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The ship date of October is still SPRING in Southern Hemisphere (Australia). So apple is still on track for SPRING release as long as it does not move to Spring 2008..hahaha
 
rsanuri said:
The ship date of October is still SPRING in Southern Hemisphere (Australia). So apple is still on track for SPRING release as long as it does not move to Spring 2008..hahaha
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On the Australian site, release was stated as mid-2007, not spring :)
 
I think we should put some more attention towards the timing of their announcement...
1) They would want to annouce the delay as soon as they know there is definitely going to be one so there's plenty of time to soften the blow.

2) It was announced a few days before NAB starts...surely an indicator that they've got a huge announcement planned which will help them recover in the short term as far as customer relations and stock price are concerned.
 
Jim Campbell said:
I have to admit to being utterly baffled by much of the response to this announcement. Seriously, folks, get over it - it's not like Steve Jobs ran over your dog.

Exactly how much of your hardware needs Leopard? And software?

How much of your hardware or software is problematic under your current OS version? And how much of it will work better under Leopard?

The answer to those four questions would be: none, none, none and none, then.

Are you seriously saying:

"Well, gee, Apple, I'd rather have a buggy piece of sh*t released at the WWDC in June than have you wait until October and do it properly. No, please, I've read all those lists of Vista incompatibilities that still exist after five years of development and I feel soooooo left out that I want to experience this as well. Please, please rush the software out regardless of QA, and then I'll really have something to whine about."

Fer chrissake, I pottered along in 9.1 for seven years feeling no particular urge to upgrade because my software and hardware all worked just fine as it was.

Short version: can you do all the stuff you want to do with your current Mac? Yes? Then shut the hell up.

Bah!

Jim
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i agree. but shifting resource and delaying a product that most apple products depend on for an already outdated phone? come on!

i'd have kept my mouth shut if apple upped the specs on the iphone and ditched cinuglar.
 
Don't hate the iPhone too much. It has Safari, so if they sell a few million, that a few million more reasons for sites to be Mac compatible.
 
Man, you people amuse me. What would you do if you were Mr Jobs?

Leopard - Has some funky new features which advanced power users / maczealots are crying out for, but those people are few, and hardly likely to skip to Vista for the sake of a few months. Competition is a fat lazy monopolist with Vista, a product that was relased years late to a chorus of yawns, farts, and howls from people who found that the drivers weren't ready. General opinion is that 10.4 is better. Vista SP1 is slated for Q2/Q3, at which point it might work as advertised. Conclusion - wait a bit, make 10.5 better and put a brand-new glossy-looking offering up against Vista+elastoplast when that comes out (and no doubt breaks a few million machines, again).

iPhone - mobile phones are the single most successful category of electronics product the world has ever seen, the single biggest threat to the iPod/iTMS goldmine, the best way to access the non-computer-owning majority of the worlds population, and the electronics item people have the greatest emotional attachment to and carry with them everywhere. The competition are half-a-dozen hungry, highly competetive and skilled companies who already have superior product out on the street and plenty more in the pipeline. Conclusion - throw all your spare resources at getting a vaguely credible offering out the door ASAP, make some future-dated announcements to buy a bit of breathing space, start beavering away at a portfolio pipeline of variants in much the same way as iPod (3G, entry-level, slimline, special-purpose, etc.).

You can write as many letters to Steve as you want, he won't give a ****. He's more worried about the fact that something like a BILLION handsets shipped in 2006, and about 10-15% of them are 3G that can stream content in realtime, every single one with network providers desperately trying to sell ringtones, music, games and video through them. Or in other words, Nokia, SE, Samsung, LG and the like shipped many times more iPod/iTMS competitors in 2006 than Apple has made in the last six years. If he doesn't appear to have a credible strategy for getting on top of that little problem, analysts are going to ding his stock by a lot more than 3% (which barely rates as a wobble). The Mac area, on the other hand, is growing phenomenally and is totally under control (shipments up something like 34% yoy last quarter).
 
This is HORRIBLE!
I'm totally NOT interested in the iPhone, I'm just waiting to buy a MBP with Leopard, so Apple: you really disappointed me with this one! I hope this won't happen again anytime soon...
 
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