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Apple Delays Leopard Release
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Don't really care, tbh. Haven't seen anything (yet) in Leopard worthy of an upgrade, Also, given what a steaming pile of a release Tiger was this can only be a good thing.
For those of you who have perhaps forgotten, Tiger shipped in April 2005, but wasn't really fully stable until the 10.4.3 release in September 2005. The version that shipped in the box was embarrassingly incomplete, and it really harmed my opinion of Apple - by comparison the 10.3 release was significantly better.
I'd rather wait for a complete product than be an extended beta tester for Apple.
For those of you who have perhaps forgotten, Tiger shipped in April 2005, but wasn't really fully stable until the 10.4.3 release in September 2005. The version that shipped in the box was embarrassingly incomplete, and it really harmed my opinion of Apple - by comparison the 10.3 release was significantly better.
I'd rather wait for a complete product than be an extended beta tester for Apple.
You have talked a lot about Stoakley-Seaburg. Why are you so interested in it? Does it have some killer-feature that you MUST have?
Realistically, how may people will buy an iPhone and how many people will buy an upgrade to OS X?
Okay first of all i would like to say this to those who have whinned here about the delay of Leoperd. "Sombody call the waaaambulance!" 
Consider yourself lucky that you have already a Mac computer. I want one, but I have no money to buy one and i have and old PC that doesn't run most of the games that being released today because of that ******** called pixelshadder. i think that was the worst things ever released in my opinion. My dad (my financial resource) states that this PC is still good and doesn't want to buy a new computer (Mac), so I don't even have the privelage to own a Mac.
Concerning about the delay of Leoperd, i ask you whinners. Do you want Leoperd to be version of Vista, full of bugs? or do You want Leoperd to kick some Vista butt?
Now what i think about this is:
1) This is prank, an April's fool, the apple pulling on everyone and Leoperd is release in June?
2) or it is realy release in october 07, which in my view i prefer if this means that gives more time for Apple to resolve seeveral bugs. But my opinion, Apple will release new Hardware, because they know that fans are waiting new hardware with leoperd in june. Most people are suggesting the apple is becoming like Microsoft, who cares about money (talking about iphone). Do you really think that company who creates software which is friendly user (Ilife, Iwork and other things) that gives professional outcome, would not think about the costumers, if they delay? They will give their costumers probably new Hardware, probably commancing with a new Mac Mini (I'm convinced 99% that it be released until June).
So people chill out and I say that before you jump to any conclusions (or you whant to call for waaaambulance, which is not like apple costumers, since only PC users have the right to whinne, due to microsoft ) people wait until June, to the worldwide developers conference. Then it will be confirmed if leoperd is delayed or not.
Those of you that plan to buy a new mac in June, I advise you to continue to way until June (where it apple confirm if Leoperd is delayd or not) and then you decide what your are going to do. Wait until a few more months to october and buy then or buy a mac in June, probably a new versions of the apple hardware be out until then.
Chill out! and remeber, "Don't worry, be happy!"
Consider yourself lucky that you have already a Mac computer. I want one, but I have no money to buy one and i have and old PC that doesn't run most of the games that being released today because of that ******** called pixelshadder. i think that was the worst things ever released in my opinion. My dad (my financial resource) states that this PC is still good and doesn't want to buy a new computer (Mac), so I don't even have the privelage to own a Mac.
Concerning about the delay of Leoperd, i ask you whinners. Do you want Leoperd to be version of Vista, full of bugs? or do You want Leoperd to kick some Vista butt?
Now what i think about this is:
1) This is prank, an April's fool, the apple pulling on everyone and Leoperd is release in June?
2) or it is realy release in october 07, which in my view i prefer if this means that gives more time for Apple to resolve seeveral bugs. But my opinion, Apple will release new Hardware, because they know that fans are waiting new hardware with leoperd in june. Most people are suggesting the apple is becoming like Microsoft, who cares about money (talking about iphone). Do you really think that company who creates software which is friendly user (Ilife, Iwork and other things) that gives professional outcome, would not think about the costumers, if they delay? They will give their costumers probably new Hardware, probably commancing with a new Mac Mini (I'm convinced 99% that it be released until June).
So people chill out and I say that before you jump to any conclusions (or you whant to call for waaaambulance, which is not like apple costumers, since only PC users have the right to whinne, due to microsoft
) people wait until June, to the worldwide developers conference. Then it will be confirmed if leoperd is delayed or not.Those of you that plan to buy a new mac in June, I advise you to continue to way until June (where it apple confirm if Leoperd is delayd or not) and then you decide what your are going to do. Wait until a few more months to october and buy then or buy a mac in June, probably a new versions of the apple hardware be out until then.
Chill out! and remeber, "Don't worry, be happy!"
There's been articles about this, Vista eating at Apple marketshare, go google.
( most people trash negative Apple articles as being inaccurate but don't question Pro Apple articles in the same way.).
It doesn't matter OSX10.0, OSX10.5.
The fact that is that people are pointing fingers at Vista being incredibly late, but these people also forget that it took Apple a long time to get OS10 out the door.
Its just convenient for you to say "but we aren't talking about 10.0" and forget this when pointing out Vista.
Oh, and did you know that 10.0 was just as bad ( if not worse ) as Vista for driver / support - before you go down that route. Vista and 10.0 kernels differed enough from the prior OS versions to make existing drivers incompatible. Sometimes, you have to make those choices - but knowing that going forward will benefit all concerned going forward.
I hope your not being serious. If you are, then you take Apple far too seriously.
If people starting knocking other companies, and contrasting Apple, then you'd better make sure that Apple haven't done the same...
Comparing the development of OS10 ( even before Apple started the OSX10 we know now ) is a good comparison to make against Vista, doesn't matter if it was as long ago as 1987/8. Both projects shared similar problems: both projects were late for various reasons, both involved rewrites etc.
Balance. Sadly lacking in these forums.
( most people trash negative Apple articles as being inaccurate but don't question Pro Apple articles in the same way.).
It doesn't matter OSX10.0, OSX10.5.
The fact that is that people are pointing fingers at Vista being incredibly late, but these people also forget that it took Apple a long time to get OS10 out the door.
Its just convenient for you to say "but we aren't talking about 10.0" and forget this when pointing out Vista.
Oh, and did you know that 10.0 was just as bad ( if not worse ) as Vista for driver / support - before you go down that route. Vista and 10.0 kernels differed enough from the prior OS versions to make existing drivers incompatible. Sometimes, you have to make those choices - but knowing that going forward will benefit all concerned going forward.
I hope your not being serious. If you are, then you take Apple far too seriously.
If people starting knocking other companies, and contrasting Apple, then you'd better make sure that Apple haven't done the same...
Comparing the development of OS10 ( even before Apple started the OSX10 we know now ) is a good comparison to make against Vista, doesn't matter if it was as long ago as 1987/8. Both projects shared similar problems: both projects were late for various reasons, both involved rewrites etc.
Balance. Sadly lacking in these forums.
Why not delay iPhone instead of Leopard?
Why not delay iPhone instead of Leopard? Oh, I forgot, Apple is consumer electronics maker now, not a computer/OS company. WTF! I'm PISSED
So how can anyone invest in the Mac platform anymore when Apple has and is sending a clear message that Macs and OS X are on the back f@#%!%ing burner???
Why not delay iPhone instead of Leopard? Oh, I forgot, Apple is consumer electronics maker now, not a computer/OS company. WTF! I'm PISSED
So how can anyone invest in the Mac platform anymore when Apple has and is sending a clear message that Macs and OS X are on the back f@#%!%ing burner???
Chill out! and remeber, "Don't worry, be happy!"
Don't you know he guy that wrote that song later commited suicide; just so you know.
If Apple think they can generate more $$$ from the iPhone than 10.5, then it makes good business sense to concentrate on the iPhone....
... wouldn't you?
... wouldn't you?
Why not delay iPhone instead of Leopard? Oh, I forgot, Apple is consumer electronics maker now, not a computer/OS
company. WTF! I'm PISSED
So how can anyone invest in the Mac platform anymore when Apple has and is sending a clear message that Macs and OS X are on the back f@#%!%ing burner???
Hardly. While it took MS years of additional time to get their software straight it is still not as bug free, stabel and mature as an of the recent .0 releases that the MacOS X has seen. Besides, the difference between 3 months (Leopard delay) and 3 years (Longhorn, no, I mean Vista delay) is 12-fold. Go figure.
Why not delay iPhone instead of Leopard? Oh, I forgot, Apple is consumer electronics maker now, not a computer/OS company. WTF! I'm PISSED
So how can anyone invest in the Mac platform anymore when Apple has and is sending a clear message that Macs and OS X are on the back f@#%!%ing burner???
And what exactly is wrong or broken with the current OS X? Don't fix it if it ain't broke.
On a side note: you can always switch to Windows if you're so bothered by what makes good business sense for Apple.
Why not delay iPhone instead of Leopard? Oh, I forgot, Apple is consumer electronics maker now, not a computer/OS company. WTF! I'm PISSED
So how can anyone invest in the Mac platform anymore when Apple has and is sending a clear message that Macs and OS X are on the back f@#%!%ing burner???
Well they did strip the word "Computer" from the name. How does that not signify something to you?
Besides, who would you rather Apple be like: Sony - a consumer electronics maker that also sells computers, or Dell - a computer maker that also sells some consumer electronics?
Apple is putting their resources where they feel the biggest payoff is. Right now the iPhone needs that more than OS/X does. Vista throttled itself out of the gate - they didn't need 10.5 to be on-time to "combat" it. The iPhone is a new entry for them into a crowded market. They do need that to be on-time and of ridiculously high quality.
Hardly. While it took MS years of additional time to get their software straight it is still not as bug free, stabel and mature as an of the recent .0 releases that the MacOS X has seen. Besides, the difference between 3 months (Leopard delay) and 3 years (Longhorn, no, I mean Vista delay) is 12-fold. Go figure.
I'll repeat myself....
What about OSX10.0? years late, multiple restarts, re-writes.
You forget that that OSX10.0 was slooow, incompatible natively with previous drivers and software ( yes, it was a major change in architecture ). It was so bad, Apple released 10.1 for free. The only free version - OSX10.1, .2, 3.. were all paid for.
Vista was a major re-write. OSX10.1, OSX10...5 were based upon 10.0 and so didn't involve such major development - more incremental development.
XP -> Vista is like OS9 - OSX10.0.
WIN95 -> WIN98 -> WIN.ME like OSX10.0 -> .1 .2 ... OX10.5
Microsoft were too ambitious for the feature list of Vista.
Likewise, Apple may well have dropped features in versions of OSX10.x but because Apple keep features under wraps, aside from rumours, we'll never here about the ones that are MIA.
It's not that bad.
Being a longtime Windows user making the switch soon, I can't wait to have a stable release of Tiger, the world's greatest operating system.
Ungrateful bastards.
ROFL! Joachim, thank you for an excellent "back to reality" post!
It is a bit of a bummer as we were all very excited about seeing Leopard, but I really agree that Tiger is one hell of a nice operating system (I still keep learning new things on a weekly basis after working with it for as long as it's been out now - for example that I can have application shortcuts in all finder windows - great!). I, too, was holding out for the Octo-Macs and Leopard, and to be realistic, my money working for me now is better and makes the purchase of the killer machine in October cheaper, in a way. And, given the catastrophic end-result of Vista (where did the new filesystem ZFS go?! - Leopard WILL have it!), I'd rather have the "years-ahead OS" with Leopard later this year. Even January 08 wouldn't be much of a problem. Quite honestly, I know of no one who switched to Apple/Tiger and regretted it, and no one who even stops to look at Vista for more than a minute - it has nothing that Tiger hasn't got in some way, and Leopard will now get dedicated attention for the remainer of the year. And a nice chunk of the profits from the Apple Phone will benefit overall Apple/Mac development, so relax people, it's coming, and boy is it gonna be great!
What are you doing on these forums then?! Finding lots of advice on how to run your Vista? huh... Off course you're always welcome "back home" when Leopard ships, only your Vaio won't run it, but the new 13" wide-screen Mac Book Pro with NAND startup will.
ROFL! Joachim, thank you for an excellent "back to reality" post!
It is a bit of a bummer as we were all very excited about seeing Leopard, but I really agree that Tiger is one hell of a nice operating system (I still keep learning new things on a weekly basis after working with it for as long as it's been out now - for example that I can have application shortcuts in all finder windows - great!). I, too, was holding out for the Octo-Macs and Leopard, and to be realistic, my money working for me now is better and makes the purchase of the killer machine in October cheaper, in a way. And, given the catastrophic end-result of Vista (where did the new filesystem ZFS go?! - Leopard WILL have it!), I'd rather have the "years-ahead OS" with Leopard later this year. Even January 08 wouldn't be much of a problem. Quite honestly, I know of no one who switched to Apple/Tiger and regretted it, and no one who even stops to look at Vista for more than a minute - it has nothing that Tiger hasn't got in some way, and Leopard will now get dedicated attention for the remainer of the year. And a nice chunk of the profits from the Apple Phone will benefit overall Apple/Mac development, so relax people, it's coming, and boy is it gonna be great!
I also agree. One point though Windows Vista was suppose to have WinFS not ZFS. Could you imagine Microsoft using an open source source
Because iPhone will bring them more money, and because it's easier to delay OS X than iPhone. iPhone is Apple's first cell-phone. It's the product that will launch them in to a whole new market. A market that is absolutely humungous and has the potential of earning them untold billions of dollars. With OS X, things are not like that. Apple is growing and earning money, sure. But the market is established, even for Apple.
In short: there's more potential in the cell-phone market for Apple than there is in the OS-market at the moment.
Oh, I forgot, Apple is consumer electronics maker now, not a computer/OS company. WTF! I'm PISSED
Oh, stop whining. It's only a few months.
Apple has invested A LOT in to OS X. They have been improving it for years. iPhone is a whole new product in a whole new product-segment. OS X is part of a mature market (for Apple), cell-phones are basically virgin grasslands for Apple.
this has to be the dumbest post in the thread. sorry, but you've got no clue. A G4 runs Tiger without problems. A Mac Pro or current laptop will run Tiger or Leopard without any problems. What are you on?
So, because someone is planning to buy a PC, he shouldn't be on these forums? Why not? Are these forums reserved for the "Virgins of Vesta"-class Mac-users who would never even think of using something else than a Mac?
Oh, I'm typing this message from an XP-box, oh the humanity! What AM I doing on these forums, since I'm obviously unclean unbeliever?!?!?
Maybe he uses both PC's and Macs? Nah, that couldn't be! Or maybe he's a PC-users who is simply interested in all things Apple? I know, unheard of. These forums are solely meant for Mac-users who have Apple-tattoos in the back of their head.
What are you doing on these forums then?! Finding lots of advice on how to run your Vista? huh... Off course you're always welcome "back home" when Leopard ships, only your Vaio won't run it, but the new 13" wide-screen Mac Book Pro with NAND startup will.
Vista Rocks i also love mac butt
With hundreds of comments on the topic, I wanted to add my $0.02 of disappointment.
Sure, it does make more business sense. The folks running Tiger aren't going to abandon Apple over this, but they have a lot to loose if the iPhone is not delivered.
Still, personally I think it sucks. I have zero interest in the iPhone as it will be a while before it can run my apps, I have no interest in switching providers, and do not want to downgrade to a phone without 3G.
What I want is the new OS.
I have to wonder..how much of that statement is total BS. iPhone is a great excuse to have Leopard delayed, but I imagine they know it just ain't ready and wanted to used the iPhone front to make people say wow--they had to work on this perfect phone they are about to release...
Sure, it does make more business sense. The folks running Tiger aren't going to abandon Apple over this, but they have a lot to loose if the iPhone is not delivered.
Still, personally I think it sucks. I have zero interest in the iPhone as it will be a while before it can run my apps, I have no interest in switching providers, and do not want to downgrade to a phone without 3G.
What I want is the new OS.
I have to wonder..how much of that statement is total BS. iPhone is a great excuse to have Leopard delayed, but I imagine they know it just ain't ready and wanted to used the iPhone front to make people say wow--they had to work on this perfect phone they are about to release...
Don't over-estimate the number of people who are so keen on buying Vista. I personally know at least four company CEO's/"GmbH Geschäftsführer"/"AG Vorstand" who couldn't care less about Vista and the whole stuff as they will NOT re-train their people to use something (Vista) that offers NO business value whatsoever to them.
They DO however, seriously consider moving to OS X (Tiger), because they use it themselves and know that it is a) more stable, b) more secure, c) EASIER to train a blue collar worker/not so computer-savvy- secretary to use a Mac than it is to move them from one Windows version to the next, or even a Office Version to the next...
If they get Leopard or not, again, no big deal, because Tiger is already more secure and reliable than Vista will be for the next 12 months.
And: It's effectively cheaper, because support and IT security costs are way lower with a Mac-Setup, this has been tested and calculate in-depth in these companies, and the only reason they haven't moved just yet is that they want to write off the existing computer stuff before making the switch, but incremental roll-out is already happening and working great.
No, I don't think so. Vista was going to be a major rewrite. But it isn't. They had to scrap that, didn't they?
From what I can tell, it is XP with a few little add-ons, and slight improvements under the hood. (And better security.)