Apple Demos Final Cut Pro X at NAB 2011

[jeremyb66]

You are right but!

So this is basically a jazzed up Final Cut Express and the pros have been shown the door. Why am I not shocked about this.

Someday I'll tell my kids that Apple was the company for pros to which they will laugh in disbelief; kind of how I do now when old people tell me that American cars were once high quality.

I think u r right about apple but I have I have a F150 XLT 2011 and it's great!

 

[BigMac Attack]

Worrisome development to a Real Video Professional

FCP has been plagued with FUNDAMENTAL problems since it's creation. And initial peaks seems to suggest that instead of building on it's basis and creating a stronger, leaner, more professional tool Apple has once again decided to ditch it's professional (and there must be a distinction) users for the prosumer crowd.

We aren't talking about those video hobbyists making montage reels of Johnny's 2011 soccer season, we are talking about those of us cutting high-profile commercials and films you see on television and in theaters. And this update has us worried that we've WASTED the last decade at the lunch table arguing with the Avid dinosaurs, "Oh I know FCP could be better in this respect and that respect, but, but, but just wait for FCP8 it's going to be SO much better." Now skip to FCPX. I wanted to see them release FCP8 for GOD'S SAKE! You can see where this is going, Shake anyone?

Many questions remain and yet it seems they have obviously sold their pro users down stream:

What of better TRIM? SOURCE RECORD TIMELINE EDITING? What about a COLLABORATIVE PROJECT ENVIRONMENT? SERVER BASED TECHNOLOGY? And MEDIA MANAGEMENT? Weakest parts of FCP I can tell you first hand, the lack of media management. It's an assistant’s nightmare. We deal with it on a daily basis.

Oh but it will sync the sound for you. Have you seen what it can do with iChat?

If none of this made any sense to you then you are probably not a pro-user, so I guess you're excited to get the new FCPX. But what you should really be saying to yourself is, "Isn't it so awesome they're releasing iMovie Pro in June!?"

 

[Millah]

FCP has been plagued with FUNDAMENTAL problems since it's creation. And initial peaks seems to suggest that instead of building on it's basis and creating a stronger, leaner, more professional tool Apple has once again decided to ditch it's professional (and there must be a distinction) users for the prosumer crowd.

We aren't talking about those video hobbyists making montage reels of Johnny's 2011 soccer season, we are talking about those of us cutting high-profile commercials and films you see on television and in theaters. And this update has us worried that we've WASTED the last decade at the lunch table arguing with the Avid dinosaurs, "Oh I know FCP could be better in this respect and that respect, but, but, but just wait for FCP8 it's going to be SO much better." Now skip to FCPX. I wanted to see them release FCP8 for GOD'S SAKE! You can see where this is going, Shake anyone?

Many questions remain and yet it seems they have obviously sold their pro users down stream:

What of better TRIM? SOURCE RECORD TIMELINE EDITING? What about a COLLABORATIVE PROJECT ENVIRONMENT? SERVER BASED TECHNOLOGY? And MEDIA MANAGEMENT? Weakest parts of FCP I can tell you first hand, the lack of media management. It's an assistant’s nightmare. We deal with it on a daily basis.

Oh but it will sync the sound for you. Have you seen what it can do with iChat?

If none of this made any sense to you then you are probably not a pro-user, so I guess you're excited to get the new FCPX. But what you should really be saying to yourself is, "Isn't it so awesome they're releasing iMovie Pro in June!?"

I have heard PLENTY of true pros that do professional work for major studios that have praised this new Final Cut Pro, and I also saw an entire room full onf Final Cut Pro enthusiasts and professionals with their jaws on the floor. I guess you wouldn't consider one of the lead editors at Bunim/Murray to be "pro" enough huh?

Anytime Apple updates something or completely changes something to make it modern or a more attractive UI, you all piss and moan about how Apple is abandoning you and doesn't care about pros anymore. Get a tissue, no one cares. Most of the open minded pros who are open to change and welcome it saw something amazing in FCPX. People like you who will bitch even if Apple moved the window close toggles a fraction of an inch down the title bar (ie App Store) really need to accept the fact that things need to change at some point, and it's usually for the better.

 

[Hikkadwa]

Really Concerned

Based on the screenshots -This looks like its another car crash bit of software. I bet the guy who destroyed iMovie 06 has something to do with this. Lets just hope I'm wrong.

 

[Full of Win]

I think u r right about apple but I have I have a F150 XLT 2011 and it's great!

Tell me how great it is in 2016...if it last that long.

 

[totoum]

Oh but it will sync the sound for you

Right,because wasting time syncing audio manually when you could be doing actual editing is what makes someone a pro.

But what you should really be saying to yourself is, "Isn't it so awesome they're releasing iMovie Pro in June!?"

So you say this isn't for pros yet when you want to make fun of it you choose a name that has "pro" in it,that's quite contradictory.

 

[dawindmg08]

For those of you complaining that this update isn't "Pro" enough, please read through the list of features on this page:

Supermeet Live Blog

There are tons of great ideas here, and I already see a lot of things that will speed up my workflow. There are tools that I have to buy as expensive plugins which are now standard. And simple, common sense approaches to media management that I'm surprised we've worked without them this long (Video and audio LOCKED from ingest? No more sound out of sync? Yes please).

And yet, you all look at the UI and go "eh, it's iMovie Pro". Bitch, please.

And they haven't 'dropped' all the other apps, they just didn't announce anything yet.Hopefully the pricing will be competitive with the other NLE suites and those of us upgrading from the current FCS won't feel ripped off. So just be patient, wait until June and see how it all shakes out...

 

[Reach]

So far so good as far as I'm concerned. Very interested to see the rest of the Studio.

 

[grooveattack]

Update: An Apple rep told LoopInsight to stay tuned for news on the rest of the suite:
"Today was just a sneak peak of Final Cut Pro, stay tuned"

Motion and colour should come soon

On FCPX
OH GOD IT LOOKS KINDA LIKE IMOVIE AND IT'S UNDER $1000! clearly not for the pros and now no one can edit on this
*sarcasm*

It has a tidy ui, fully 64bit, it's ganna use all 8 of my cores, can still do exactly what current FCP can do just easier.
Looking forward to it.

I think they will still have the full studio boxed in store, I don't fancy downloading 6 DVDs worth of FCS from the app store, although it would make updates very easy.

 

[OllyW]

I bet the guy who destroyed iMovie 06 has something to do with this. Lets just hope I'm wrong.

Do you mean the same guy who led the team that created Final Cut Pro in the first place?

 

[woodbine]

And so is this new version $299 which is a deal compared to the $999 for FCS. Heck MSRP on FCE is $199 so with a student discount this new version is very reasonably priced. Which leads me to think this is probably a stand alone app and it does not include all the goodies of FCS like DVD Studio Pro, Compressor, etc..

Is this correct thinking?

And if so does this mean that FCS will be broke into apps? How much for the other apps?

Hurry up and wait, the apple way.

think you may be right here, my guess is 299 for FCP X and something else for the rest...individual apps, separate prices. Personally, I'd prefer that way, I have no use for DVDSP and Motion, ST are fine for my purposes.

 

[diamornte]

Wait, what happened to all that talk of iPad integration? Another Macrumorfanboy wet dream?

 

[Nuvi]

I think they will still have the full studio boxed in store, I don't fancy downloading 6 DVDs worth of FCS from the app store, although it would make updates very easy.

I very much hope they are coming out with boxed version with printed manuals. Downloading pro apps or suit of pro apps from App Store without physical media or real manuals makes no sense.

 

[sth]

Even before the announcement, I knew that it wouldn't take more than 3 comments on MacRumors before somebody would call it iMovie Pro, probably just on based on the screenshots (surprise surprise, Apple didn't continue the old MacOS9 UI).

Apple has just shown a fraction of the features. There's still no detailed information available anywhere (not even Apple's homepage), yet many people in this thread seem to know exactly what FCP-X will and won't do.

And besides, if there's no equivalent functionality to Color etc. built into FCP-X, who says that they won't just release them as seperate applications on the App Store?

[edit]: http://www.loopinsight.com/2011/04/12/apple-says-stay-tuned-for-other-final-cut-studio-apps/

 

[lighthouse_man]

Why are you people comparing one app price tag to the whole suite price tag? For all we know, all the suite apps will be released individually and will total what the full suite now costs.

 

[woodbine]

Here's a thought...

The BBC is currently tightening it's budgets and making huge cuts to try and help keep the licence fee down. People will lose their jobs due to this fact so keep your greedy opinion to yourself.

The public demand HD television from the BBC but they certainly don't realise the cost implications.

So the licence fee us now fixed for the next 5 years thus causing cuts.

The public can't have it all!!!

And btw BBC staff get the sack immediately for failing to pay their own licence fee!

Back on point, I don't think the BBC have purchased that amount of adobe licences or hardware to go with... I would know.

seems back in 2007 they bought into 2000 CS5 licences

 

[acearchie]

The BBC is also funded by money stolen from people as a punishment for owning a television. Let's not base conceptualizations of rational thought on their behavior.

No one forces you to own a TV or a TV licence for that matter?

 

[Northgrove]

Wow, from the live coverage this sounds great!

I would never have imagined a price cut like that, with all these new features!

I have absolutely no idea what people complaining here about it going non-pro is talking about.

Did you even watch the coverage? Or did you just look at screenshots?

 

[acearchie]

I know they are linked on the front page but have a look at the screenshots http://www.loopinsight.com/2011/04/12/first-screenshots-of-final-cut-pro-x/

It looks good and has installed a bit more faith in me having a look at something more high-res.

I agree with Lethal, when Apple updates there website (probably closer to release) everyone will get their feature list and calm down! Plus I want to see what more it has to offer!

 

[CuttyShark]

It can edit and do cool stuff and we know that. What all can it do? We just have to wait and see. For now, I see it's something fun to play around with and I'll probably do that. I'll take my 5D, shoot some fun stuff, edit on location, and upload to youtube. I can't say how far I'd go if my paying gig requires pulling footage from a tape source, importing an EDL or older FCP project for an update, or organizing tracks for exporting stems to my post audio outsourcer.

It looks like fun, but I feel there's many more questions to come.

Oh well...back the smug!!

Cheers!

 

[Full of Win]

seems back in 2007 they bought into 2000 CS5 licences

Did they, the BBC, have a time machine? In 2007, CS3/CS4 was the Adobe offerings.

 

[Reach]

Did they, the BBC, have a time machine? In 2007, CS3/CS4 was the Adobe offerings.

They probably borrowed the doctor's Tardis.

 

[baryon]

Amazing! I love it. This is what Video Editing was in serious need of.

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

Is it any coincidence that the "so-called" Pros in this discussion (who have probably never even used FCP) are complaining about the Interface simply because it looks like iMovie, and so therefore must be "cheap/un-professional"? Its laughable! I'm sure these individuals don't even understand half the new features on offer which, of course, have been long waited.

My argument is simple - Unless you use this software on a regular basis, don't judge a book by its cover. Its no different to Logic Pro 8, for which I recall members were slamming because it had "no new big features", despite the fact it did.

 

[xStep]

You can find some (not great) video of the event here: http://www.youtube.com/user/selfsponsored05