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This is too funny! lol This is how memes are born. I can tell we will be seeing this with different captions over the years...

It would be clever if it wasn't blatantly moronic. As is usually the case, protesters use their booboo feelings instead of their brains. I, for one, am continually shocked by the lack of critical thinking by the stand around and chant crowd. :rolleyes:

Tax avoidance =/= Tax fraud

Demonizing avoidance is like demonizing buying things on sale.
 
Seeing pro EU protests is strange. The EU is percieved as meddling in local affairs by people who are prone to protesting. And yet, the EU dictating to Ireland how and what to tax is fine.
Of course, most these protesters have no idea that is what is going on.
They are just angry and know that if you want to get noticed making it be about Apple helps.
 
Tim is very liberal when it comes to social freedoms but extremely right wing when it comes to protecting his money. Its nice to have it both ways, huh Tim?
So you mean he’s fiscally conservative and socially liberal? That’s quite common.... I’m sure you knew that but you wanted to post something Anti-Cook, which is also fairly common among certain groups.
 
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The photograph shows clear evidence of vandalism. Painted over display windows and painted message on the front doors. That is vandalism.

It's not Tim that avoids taxes. It is their accounting firm. The board of directors (not Tim) just voted recently to renew the accounting firm contract.

Where is the image of Al Gore?
Tim is at the helm and the buck stops there.
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Being a liar on a public forum is common these days. Apple uses an accredited accounting firm to prepare its taxes and do tax avoidance strategies legally. In the EU case it is Ireland, the alleged beneficiary of the money sums standing up for Apple!!!
Yet companies are beginning to change and pay more tax in the countries the money is earned in.
This is as a direct result of public pressure.
 
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Please point out the part about them vandalizing business
You saw the photo of their fecal-esque smearing all over the front of the store right?

Guess who pays to clean the protester's mess up?
A. Screaming sidewalk brats
B. Corporate/Political sponsor/employer of screaming sidewalk brats
C. French Government
D. Tim Cook
E. Elon Musk
F. Customers & shareholders

Also the people who do the cleaning services for Apple, already doing an unenviable job, get tasked with extra work because middle to upper, protester-class brats threw a public temper tantrum.

I hope they take some solace in the fact that Apple will be employing them and making iPhones, longer than the EU will be economically viable for France.
 
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Apple have been told they need to pay 13 billion. But they refuse to pay. This isn’t a loophole but illegal Tax aid from Ireland. Yet Apple don’t want to pay it? It’s not about the loophole being valid it’s about Apple Illegally avoiding tax burden.
They are not refusing to pay, the problem is that Ireland needs to make arrangements to keep 13 billion safe somewhere until it is returned to Apple after the appeal. Keeping that amount of money safe is hard.
 
If you had 13 billion in the bank, and the Government wanted half of it... 7.5 billion in tax. BUT, you could legally move it to another country and avoid said tax bill. Would you do it?
No. I’ve always paid my fair share of tax, I’ve paid fair wages.... in all the businesses I’ve been part of. I actively and emphatically look down on those types of people that live in a country and fly into their tax haven country of choice for a few hours a year so they can be classed as residents. I think nothing but the worst for their kind whilst people in our country die of starvation. If you don’t like the govs rules then campaign to vote in another.

I think we know the answer... because everyones does do it.
Drat I picked the wrong answer.... awkwaaaard.
 
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I wish the Australian government would do more to close tax loopholes. I could pay a lot less tax than I do, but its not morally right because tax is there for a reason, and I access taxpayer funded services like Medicare and HECs.
 
1. I believe that Apple should pay the owed Tax.. Basta !

2. Those coward activists should be removed instantaneously from the Apple Store. They paint the glass and block the entrance. Get rid of them.

Now, why do I refer to them as cowards ? Simple. We have a LOT of tax evaders in Europe. Rocker Clubs like Hells Angels, Bandidos etc. Clubs and Gangs with KNOWn addresses and houses avoiding tax due to illegal income. I don't see those TAX-Lover-Activists setting up blocks in front of those house and addresses. Why not ? Simple, they would get their arses kicked if they did. Apple isn't going to use violence to get rid of the activists and thus they are feeling "Lion" enough to put up a block there.

Hypocrites is a term for those activists. Nothing else.
 
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Lots of selective cult-thought here.
Companies must pay taxes and if nobody forces them, someone else must.

There is a large, worldwide movement against Apple going on.
People love the products, hate the organisation (and its financial hypocrisy)
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1. I believe that Apple should pay the owed Tax.. Basta !

2. Those coward activists should be removed instantaneously from the Apple Store. They paint the glass and block the entrance. Get rid of them.

Now, why do I refer to them as cowards ? Simple. We have a LOT of tax evaders in Europe. Rocker Clubs like Hells Angels, Bandidos etc. Clubs and Gangs with KNOWn addresses and houses avoiding tax due to illegal income. I don't see those TAX-Lover-Activists setting up blocks in front of those house and addresses. Why not ? Simple, they would get their arses kicked if they did. Apple isn't going to use violence to get rid of the activists and thus they are feeling "Lion" enough to put up a block there.

Hypocrites is a term for those activists. Nothing else.
Keep hunting flies in a Lions den...
 
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No, again, Americans using words they don’t know the meaning of...

A government is what Americans call « an administration » that is, secretaries and their cabinets. The latter being called MINISTERS and cabinets everywhere else in the world, but hey, America (and the UK...)

Not to forget that the head of state isn’t the head of government in most EU countries (it’s monarchs, presidents of the Republic, etc.)

A government consists of the head of state or the head of government (Prime minister / Chancellor) and ministers (secretaries in the UK and US).

A government is NOT a conflation of judiciary, legislative and executive powers. That is a definition that is purely and uniquely American.

But that purely semantic distinction does not change the nature of checks and balances between powers (or, as Americans might have it « branches of government »).

The ignorant thing to assume is that because it’s called a government in the US, the same prerogatives apply to what European countries call their “governments”. It does not.

There is no such thing as a EU government. The EU is a union of SOVEREIGN STATES OR COUNTRIES.

Again, states are not countries per se in America. But in Europe, the European states are full-fledged countries, and nation-states.

Do not presume to apply American vocabulary to European politics, is what I mean. This forcing of American acceptations of words on foreign contexts is what dooms Americans to ignorance and hubris where European politics are concerned.

The European Commission (who went after Apple/ Ireland) is an administration (not an American “administration”), that is an INSTITUTION where civil servants work together with the current 3 countries/states presiding over the Commission to harmonise national policies and define the common roadmap for the Union. It gives advice as to the policies that would be most beneficial to single Member States but never forces local policies on sovereign states. It sees that European law is respected and implemented at the state level, but the implementation proper is left to Member States. It’s like Member States are given assignments and they are free to be creative and even add to the law. In turn, laws have to be ratified and inserted in local member state/country legislation and everything is debated locally. Heads of local governments/ heads of State (Prime ministers, Chancellors, presidents... what have you) are part of the Commission and may butt in to defend their own country’s vision. Like president Macron and Chancellor Merkel who are so vocal on the EU scene. Others do give their opinions too, eh ?

The EU is a working democracy without a government. Member States work together for the common good on a common agenda. Rogue states are held in check, such as Greece and its deficit that almost sank the whole Eurozone €, or Poland and its neonais fusing the executive and the judicial powers. Or Ireland acting like a criminal state favoring tax evasion, being Apple’s bitch.

We have a Court of law, just like there is a Supreme Court in America, and we have MEPs (Members of European Parliament) who are directly elected like senators in the US. Think of it like a sort of “EU Congress”.

There is no EU central government superceding the local Member State Governments, the EU isn’t a federal state.
The EU is an alliance of sovereign nation-states or countries woking together on key competences that the individual Member States have devolved to the EU. For example, the agricultural policy, or fisheries are the EU’s prerogative to govern. Because the local states said so.

The EU Commission and EU Council ARE the executive branch. Think of all the local governments as one supermassive government. A rotation system allocates the presidency to one state for a period of time. And now we also have a president of the EU Commission. He’s the one who’s always there in international summits like the G20. He’a as close to a President of the EU as anything comes.

The legislative power is shared between the Commission and the Parliament. The EU is governed by its own Member States’ governments that make up the Commission and the EU Council (which is NOT the “Council of Europe”!!!!).
Only the Parliament may adopt white papers into law, however. So the people of Europe have the last word.

The executive power is the prerogative of Member States who ratify EU law to integrate it into Member State legislation. Furthermore, the Commission monitors that EU law is respected throughout the EU. It can refer Member States to the judiciary branch of the EU if they break the law.

And the European court of Justice (as well as the European Court of Human Rights, etc...) is the judiciary branch of government (but there is no EU government, I say branches of government just so Americans can follow...). It’s the judiciary POWER within the EU.

The EU is a working democracy. It’s been working for a long time now, both its executive as well as its legislative branches are directly elected by the people, but the rotation system between the 27 Member States means there’s little room for radical change in policy. Mostly, Member States do whatever they want, which weakens the EU as a superpower.

But with eveey challenge the EU has faced, it has come through with strenghtened institutions and democracy.

The Apple case is one of those challenges. We are not even a century old, and just like the US’s Constitution’s amendments weren’t written in a day, the EU is still finding its footing as an expanding democracy.

Do not believe morons and Russian trolls spewing nonsense about the EU, read wikipedia and try to keep in mind that

- governement
- state
- aministration
- cabinet
- secretary
- etc.

don’t mean the same in American English in a USA context as they do in the rest of the world.

Although they share a lot of things in common, both the US’s and the EU’s democracies are very different.

But it doesn’t mean the EU isn’t working as a democracy. In fact, it works really well, considering we don’t all speak the same language and every law has to be tailored to accomodate each Member State’s national prerogatives and incorporated within the limits existing constitutions / legislation.

Mind you, some countries like the UK don’t even HAVE a constitution to speak of.

Vive l’Europe
Et vive la France

And screw those Irish ☘️ seriously bitches better have our munnies.

What a lovely starry eyed view you have of the EU, shame you forgot to mention people like Junker and other Brussels bureaucrats are not elected by the people yet they have power over them, it is a democracy with dictatorship views.. no wonder more and more countries want to vote to leave it!

Sorry, that's political posturing. Apple like other corporates will pay if they can be shown to be in breach of the tax code. Otherwise it's up to the courts to determine if there's disagreement. That's just due process. Fact is, Apple like everyone is entitled to the 'innocent until proven otherwise' clause.

You have displayed you have little understanding of the law and how Ireland and Apple breached it. Apple and Ireland ARE guilty. If they don’t pay then the EU will punish them, simple really.

But you can feel comfortable in the fact several other posters in here have little understanding of this case also and why people are upset.
 
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Apple is well within their right to kick people out of their store if they’re causing a disruption.

They can’t do much to stop them protesting outside though.

Graffiting the doors is not cool though. They just need to call police and hand over the footage.
 
Apple is well within their right to kick people out of their store if they’re causing a disruption.

They can’t do much to stop them protesting outside though.

Graffiting the doors is not cool though. They just need to call police and hand over the footage.

Not in France I don’t think so? They are experts in protesting, in fact it plays a big part in the way they get things done, at the expense of others. Still more power to the people I guess, in the UK we managed to try and force the ridiculous price of petrol and diesel down with protests, and the government then made them illegal, that’s our democracy for you.... so we now have stupid priced fuel, and no one is allowed to protest or you’ll be arrested.
 
The court is one of the three branches of the government in most countries I'm aware of, including France.
The term 'government' is a little bit ambiguous in English as it can either mean the totality of all state institutions or simply the executive branch. In the two other languages I speak, French and German, this ambiguity doesn't exist and 'government' (gouvernement, Regierung) only refers to the executive branch. This probably colours my reading of the term 'government' in English as well.

I also don't think that, eg, Supreme Court decisions in the U.S. are usually represented as a decision of the 'government' even if technically this would be correct.
 
If someone shortchanged the us by 13 billion, they’d be sending in the military! Don’t act all high and mighty like Apple are innocent. They don’t deserve the right to sell products if they don’t pay tax.

They do pay tax, they are simply make use of a loophole within the system something that everyone would do given the chance. These people that go inside an Apple store protesting are disrupting business, drawing on the windows and so on is also criminal damage, they should go away find something better to do and mind their own business.
 
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Grand Lord Cook looks like he’s put on a few pounds in that vacation photo.
 
So in France its ok to vandalize private property as long as you claim that it is in peaceful protest. Got it.

It states there’s no vandalism.

I’m not sure though if protest is warranted in this case. Apple was convicted and needs to pay the missing tax. So if there’s already a conviction why protest?
 
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I find these protesters to be a bunch of moral high grounders. They don't know what's actually happening behind the scenes.

As with many "protesters" these days they are probably paid extras (ironically, in cash and avoid taxes) and have little deep knowledge about what they are "protesting." It's a job. The whole populism theme here of "big corp's greed causing granny Abella to starve" is an emotional winner for the group fronting them who is looking for a slice of power pie the easy way.

Truly if you look at recent events the EU has not been shy about going after Apple for attempting to circumvent tax laws -- some might even say unfairly. The protest is wholly unnecessary to bring attention to Apple. It's an elephant in studio apartment. The stupid thing is that their protesting surely costs Apple sales at the locations which means less VAT taxes paid, and also has potential to hurt the Apple store employees too.
 
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They do pay tax, they are simply make use of a loophole within the system something that everyone would do given the chance. These people that go inside an Apple store protesting are disrupting business, drawing on the windows and so on is also criminal damage, they should go away find something better to do and mind their own business.
"Loophole in the system" => their secretive deals with Irish Gov't ignored EU regulations. Making their tax avoidance illegal.
Stop telling half-truths as the Cook/Ahrendts characters do. They will be held accountable someday.
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As with many "protesters" these days they are probably paid extras (ironically, in cash and avoid taxes) and have little deep knowledge about what they are "protesting." It's a job. The whole populism theme here of "big corp's greed causing granny Abella to starve" is an emotional winner for the group fronting them who is looking for a slice of power pie the easy way.

Truly if you look at recent events the EU has not been shy about going after Apple for attempting to circumvent tax laws -- some might even say unfairly. The protest is wholly unnecessary to bring attention to Apple. It's an elephant in studio apartment. The stupid thing is that their protesting surely costs Apple sales at the locations which means less VAT taxes paid, and also has potential to hurt the Apple store employees too.
On a higher level, Apple's arrogance and hypocrisy towards tax and labor exploitation and their outsmarting of the law is being confronted with more and more resistance worldwide.
The momentum is growing and they should prepare for it. The perceived "loss of sales" you fear is just a rimple in the water
 
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