The post below explains it perfectly.
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For all those quoting me on the same post/standpoint, I stick to my opinion, it's different and as long as nothing gets broken it is not vandalism.
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Apple Denied Request to Ban Tax Protestors From Its Stores in France
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The post below explains it perfectly.
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For all those quoting me on the same post/standpoint, I stick to my opinion, it's different and as long as nothing gets broken it is not vandalism.
Good I’m glad they can protest outside the stores, serves Apple right, pay your taxes and you won’t be targeted.. fairly simple really.
I’m sure the brigade will come along pronouncing how Apple should not pay taxes as it’s duty is to the share holders first, not the infrastructure it uses... nah just let everyone else pay for that!
Don’t forget people, everything Apple does is for the customer and NOT the share holders or profits as proclaimed by Cook this week....
If Apple were not paying its taxes, don't you think the government would be hunting them down pretty darn quickly with all the income they're generating? Just like in the US, the problem is the tax law, not the company who understands how to navigate the law effectively. How many of you complaining about Apple would be willing to set an example by paying more taxes than the law requires you to pay?
I'm not defending Apple, just irritated at all the misdirected anger. If the law doesn't require someone to pay taxes, it's the government that's responsible, not the beneficiary of the law. The protestors should be sitting in parliament not in front of an Apple store.
During a stunt at an Apple store in Aix-en-Provence last November, for example, activists painted "pay your taxes" on the glass windows. Attac also gathered in front of the High Court of Paris last week with Stormtrooper costumes and Star Wars-themed signs that equated Apple to the evil Galactic Empire.
LOLOLOL. Cannot unsee! I look forward to the Memes: best Star Wars related thing I've seen in years.
As far the protests, I do not understand how they work in France, so nothing to say there.
You clearly don't know much about the law. You would be arrested, and quite rightly, for assault. If you ask a protester to get out of your way because they are blocking you and they physically try and stop you, then you may respond with an equal amount of force. But if you use a disproportionate amount of force - or resort to violence first - you will be arrested and charged.
In any case, people who sound off about punching other people in the face, are generally making up for their own inadequacies. They express their violent thoughts in order to make other people to think they're tough. Kind of pathetic really.
Where do you live? I would like to paint all your windows. Don't worry though, you can wash it off later.
The point is, Apple in the Eu view is wrong and didn't pay taxes, laws are clear on this, Apple should pay the same as other companies which Apple didn't.
You just described most liberals with money. Look to Hollywood with their multiple private jets, film festivals all over the word and private ski vacations using private jets for transportation all while bemoaning the sad state affairs of the have nots and global warming. What is your point?
Yes. That is vandalism, and "peaceful protesters" shouldn't be allowed to vandalize things.
People are not allowed to go around defacing property. There's no room for debate here.
Here's an extract from the law in France:
"La destruction, la dégradation ou la détérioration d'un bien appartenant à autrui est punie de deux ans d'emprisonnement et de 30 000 euros d'amende, sauf s'il n'en est résulté qu'un dommage léger.
Le fait de tracer des inscriptions, des signes ou des dessins, sans autorisation préalable, sur les façades, les véhicules, les voies publiques ou le mobilier urbain est puni de 3 750 euros d'amende et d'une peine de travail d'intérêt général lorsqu'il n'en est résulté qu'un dommage léger." https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affi...Texte=LEGITEXT000006070719&dateTexte=20180223
Here's a quick summary: If you write stuff on something without authorization you'll be charged with a fine of 3750€ and have to do public work.
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I love the notion that because a company uses legal council to get to the same end result as tax fraud that company is guilt free. What a world.
From the way you write, it’s obvious you’re a kid or very young adult at most, still at school, so I guess you can be forgiven for your ignorance.Good I’m glad they can protest outside the stores, serves Apple right, pay your taxes and you won’t be targeted.. fairly simple really.
I’m sure the brigade will come along pronouncing how Apple should not pay taxes as it’s duty is to the share holders first, not the infrastructure it uses... nah just let everyone else pay for that!
Don’t forget people, everything Apple does is for the customer and NOT the share holders or profits as proclaimed by Cook this week....
Then you don't believe in free speech unconditionally. That's okay though, lots of people, myself included, share your feelings.
Agree with this, except the issues of vandalism are unacceptable too.
We constantly deal with this in the USA... "peaceful protests" can quickly escalate into setting things on fire and smashing store windows, etc.
If a specific protest group has already gotten in trouble for crossing the line, when does it become reasonable for a business to fear their future presence will lead to more of the same?
We constantly deal with this in the USA... "peaceful protests" can quickly escalate into setting things on fire and smashing store windows, etc.
If a specific protest group has already gotten in trouble for crossing the line, when does it become reasonable for a business to fear their future presence will lead to more of the same?
Sure there's room for debate, this is a forum. In my radical US oriented view, protest away. I don't give two ****s about the elevation of wealthy property rights over the well being of the population. I won't weep for the powerful being inconvenienced by the powerless, the horror!
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The occupancy conditions of the building are irrelevant to the question of vandalism. And as for your opinion "as long as nothing gets broken", it's just that. It has no relevance to the legal issues surrounding unauthorized window painting.
@ the underlined, you see...American's don't care about smashing windows and setting things on fire if it's in celebration of something pointless like sports teams. Get rightfully outraged and destructive over abuse of power and the murder of hundreds at the hands of police? Then we care.
There are plenty of people who think it’s fine to be smart about maximizing money while also not thinking that somehow being financially capable means you need to get involved in adults’ beds and reproductive cycles.
Agreed, in some people's view Apple should have paid more in taxes. The dispute is playing out in the courts, as it should, and until the appeals have been completed, it's premature to insist that Apple has evaded any taxes they were legally required to pay.