Apple Denied Request to Ban Tax Protestors From Its Stores in France

[Glockworkorange]

Not relevant, fact is you have freedom of speech in Europe, glad the judge denied Apple's request.

It’s relevant to have an opinion if they’re behavior. That’s why we have a comment section.

 

[ElRojito]

It is called vandalism.

Right? If I covered someone’s car in Saran Wrap (sp?) I’m sure they’d be upset and say someone vandalized their car even though it didn’t necessarily damage the car.

 

[NoNothing]

The post below explains it perfectly.



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For all those quoting me on the same post/standpoint, I stick to my opinion, it's different and as long as nothing gets broken it is not vandalism.

That post explains nothing. It is still vandalism plain and simple.

 

[Glockworkorange]

So, if I understand correctly you find painting on a window "vandalising", guess what, you can wash that off in no time.

Someone should give it a Mac Mini meme.

I’m certain there is a headphone jack meme out there somewhere

 

[NoNothing]

delete

 

[ravenstar]

Except, there is no real damage, the paint was easily washed off.

I just don't get it. Where do you see an "except" in that law? Where do you see that defacing is ok as long as it can be rectified within some arbitrary degree of difficulty? That doesn't even make sense.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

Did painting all over the windows not constitute vandalism?

 

[ravenstar]

@ the underlined, you see...American's don't care about smashing windows and setting things on fire if it's in celebration of something pointless like sports teams. Get rightfully outraged and destructive over abuse of power and the murder of hundreds at the hands of police? Then we care.

Hmm, don't know what part of the US you're thinking of, but around my parts we do prosecute vandals who cause damage during a celebration.

 

[Solver]

Vandalism: willful or malicious destruction or defacement of public or private property

Defacement: to mar the surface or appearance of; disfigure: to deface a wall by writing on it

 

[Mousse]

Yes. That is vandalism, and "peaceful protesters" shouldn't be allowed to vandalize things.

You can't apply US laws to foreign countries. Yes, painting on someone's window is vandalism in the US, but you cannot say it hold true in France. If the French judge says they haven't broken any French laws, I'll accept that they haven't broken any French laws.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

It’s mind boggling to me that “freedom of speech” could be construed to allow a bunch of jackasses to disrupt business in a privately owned establishment. In the US, these morons would be facing trespassing and vandalism charges, and rightfully so.

Edit: after rereading, it’s unclear to me whether they were in the stores or on the public sidewalk, which makes ALL the difference. If they were outside, then they’re fine. If inside, arrest ‘em. The vandalism is a crime either way.

It's actually OK to be inside of a structure in the US under certain conditions. Shopping Malls have been given public square status for the purpose of protest and demonstration. It looks like those folks are sitting in some sort of mall but outside of Apple's retail establishment, that would likely pass muster in the US as well.

 

[NT1440]

I just don't get it. Where do you see an "except" in that law? Where do you see that defacing is ok as long as it can be rectified within some arbitrary degree of difficulty? That doesn't even make sense.

So in your mind, something like sidewalk chalk would be vandalism as well right? I ask because that's been brought up in courts before. Easily removable and not an issue, but in a police state like the USA it got people arrested and sentenced. I don't care what the courts say on it, that's ****ing ********, not freedom.


https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/08/war-chalk-arrests/

 

[justperry]

I just don't get it. Where do you see an "except" in that law? Where do you see that defacing is ok as long as it can be rectified within some arbitrary degree of difficulty? That doesn't even make sense.

Google translate:

"The destruction, deterioration or deterioration of property belonging to another is punishable by two years' imprisonment and a fine of 30,000 euros, unless it results in only slight damage.

The drawing of inscriptions, signs or drawings, without prior authorization, on the facades, vehicles, public roads or street furniture is punishable by a fine of 3,750 euros and an interest penalty when it resulted in only slight damage. "

As I said, there's no physical damage, nothing broke.

 

[Tokenfreak]

The post below explains it perfectly.



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For all those quoting me on the same post/standpoint, I stick to my opinion, it's different and as long as nothing gets broken it is not vandalism.

You need to look up the definition of vandalism because evidently you have no idea what it is. Refer to post #110

 

[NT1440]

Hmm, don't know what part of the US you're thinking of, but around my parts we do prosecute vandals who cause damage during a celebration.

Not a peep after the Super Bowl. Four arrests for damage that was extensive. That's absolutely a different standard than people protesting/rising up for their rights to not be murdered by the arbiters of the law.

 

[justperry]

You need to look up the definition of vandalism because evidently you have no idea what it is. Refer to post #110

You should go read the 2 posts before yours and #110. (#113 and #114)

 

[Solver]

So if a gang were to peacefully write their gang symbols on every door in your neighborhood with “washable” spray paint, it would just be their right to free speech?

 

[thisisnotmyname]

Exactly correct, how about I come paint your windows since you find it acceptable.

Seems like there is a line forming to paint @justperry 's windows you're all going to have trouble breeching the event horizon to get to their home in the black hole though

 

[jgdeschamps]

So, if I understand correctly you find painting on a window "vandalising", guess what, you can wash that off in no time.

So if you don't like kittens and I find out about it, I have the right to go to your house and spray-paint your windows with the phrase "LOVE THOSE KITTENS!!" and I can get away with it without you calling the police or filing any complain, because come on... you can wash off your windows with ease.

 

[Pbrutto]

Lol, Apple is in the business of making money, they will hide their money anywhere that helps them pay less....I am so angry! No other company’s in the world would try to hide income or seek to avoid taxes....

 

[ravenstar]

So in your mind, something like sidewalk chalk would be vandalism as well right? I ask because that's been brought up in courts before. Easily removable and not an issue, but in a police state like the USA it got people arrested and sentenced. I don't care what the courts say on it, that's ****ing ********, not freedom.


https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/08/war-chalk-arrests/

Yup, it is. If you dig around a little more, you can find even stranger examples than that, where people where thinking they were doing a public service improving landscaping or creating artwork. The fact is that defacing property belong to someone else (or public property) without permission of the owner is illegal. Just because it comes off easily, doesn't mean the vandal has a right to force the property owner to remove it or live with it.

 

[ActionableMango]

Not relevant, fact is you have freedom of speech in Europe, glad the judge denied Apple's request.

I'm for freedom of speech too, but this picture shows they've painted the windows, painted a slogan across the doors, and are holding a stop sign like an access gate across the front doors. Vandalism and blocking access shouldn't be protected freedom of speech.

 

[Attirex]

Not getting until Apple Protestors (tm) have FaceID and Siri is better. Hard pass.

 

[verpeiler]

Free speech? In EU? LOL?
Try being a german citizen and writing just a simple post on facebook, something like this:
"Mass immigration is bad for us".

Good luck, because in 10mins police will come to take you in because of 'hate speech'.

Absolute crap... you can say whatever you want unless it is in fact ‚hate speech‘. I guess you are just another poor clueless AfD supporter.

Don't forget your tinfoil hat.

 

[NT1440]

Yup, it is. If you dig around a little more, you can find even stranger examples than that, where people where thinking they were doing a public service improving landscaping or creating artwork. The fact is that defacing property belong to someone else (or public property) without permission of the owner is illegal. Just because it comes off easily, doesn't mean the vandal has a right to force the property owner to remove it or live with it.

I find humanity to trump property rights, regardless of what the law interpretation is. The entire market economy concept is an affront to human decency.

I know you'll disagree with my view, but I'm just being honest with you.