This^^.. you precisely defined the sorry state of Apple fan base. Sometimes I wonder whether the Apple fans would shell out $1000 just to buy an apple logo.
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Apple Design Chief Jony Ive: iPhone X Will 'Change and Evolve' Over Time
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I haven't yet tried facial recognition ID but how is it for when you don't want to (or are unable to conveniently) bring up the phone and/or move your face to where it can be recognized? Like when it's on the car seat or bedside table, when kept out of sight like during a work meeting, when lying on your desk face up, when in a holder/holster in the car, etc?
There is a setting in accessibility that disables the awareness requirement (looking directly into the screen). I haven’t used it because it seems to see me from many angles just fine, but supposedly it makes it easier to open from odd angles with the downside being that if your significant other points it at you while you sleep it might open.
In the other cases you describe it seems to work as well as Touch ID did. E.g. I haven’t noticed having to hold it any differently in meetings when I want to look at my phone without drawing attention to the fact that I’m looking.
What you learn quickly is that there are endless compromises wih the X. Faceid? Works kinda like touchid sometimes, sucks other times. Screen? Keep it at 75% brightness or below to avoid burn in, oh and by the way the life of the screen wont be anywhere near the lcd models. No home button? Put a virtual one on your home screen so you can access control center easier. Cold outside? Phone will lock up. Watch a video? Same screen size as smaller 4.7” iPhone.
And Apple asks us to pay significantly more for the priveledge of a worse/compromised experience.
That, friends, is iPhone X.
Thanks. How about the flipside, has it ever unintentionally unlocked and presented the screen when you had no intention of wanting it to do that?
Ive is doing nothing more than coasting on his reputation and it's showing.
1) Touch ID doesn't work under conditions that Face ID is ideal so that's a push.
2) The age at which OLED color degradation becomes a factor is well beyond the scope of any normal user so that's moot. You might as well argue that NAND has so many writes so Apple should instead use magneto drives.
3) Control Center is already easy to access, but Apple has included a vast number of options—nearly all long before the iPhone X debuted—to make accessibility easier.
4) The external temperature issue is a temporary bug which will be fixed in SW. BTW, it's not just cold outside, but when the temperature is too cold in a location.
5) Video is not smaller, it's also a better image, but why would you consider that trivial metric?¡ Try watching anything with a cinema aspect ratio video and you get more of the content than you would on a 16:9 iPhone display.
6) Let's see, you've ignored all the additional camera benefits, all the display benefits, the longer battery life in general use and much longer battery life using Dark Mode, the large variety of reasons people have never been able use Touch ID since it debuted, the additional biometric security, the less wasted front face area not taking up by a display (you send like people who complained that the original iPhone didn't have a physical keyboard), and the amazing level of engineering that it took to make it happen.
7) You could've said that the the viewing angle isn't as good as the IPS displays Apple uses, that it's heavier and thicker than the iPhone 8, and that the cost is a barrier to entry; but why am I doing your weird job for you, so ignore number 7 and tell us again how the iPhone X doesn't fit anyone's needs.
I’m saying: I don’t want to have to bow my head down or move my head to look to unlock it. I guess I would just have to live with it and try it to see if it’s a disaster for my usage style, or the next big thing. In theory, I can think of a half dozen ways where I unlock the phone without it being in plain view of my face, Or I just want to unlock the screen and advance back a podcast for a couple 30 second clicks, like reaching out of the shower or down to my nightstand in a dark room before bed. In theory, removing touch ID feels too much like removing the headphone jack, where I would be aggravated if I couldn’t charge my phone at the same time as listening to it. I have work, I’m constantly charging and recharging my phone, and listening with my $10 headphones. If I am I only able to do one or the other, that feels too much like a severe limitation for which I do not have enough courage to withstand.
#1 is not a push since the rate at which touchid fails nowhere near approaches faceid fails, like lying in bed every damn day. #5 is a lie compared to 8+ -X is way smaller for video. #6 is also irrelevant when compared to 8+.
On #7 yeah theres a ton more. I only had enough patience to type out a few. As time goes on we will discover even more. Thanks for the assist on that one.
The X is a beta product. For sure for sure. Thanks for being a guinea pig. In the meantime ill enjoy the A11 and same cameras in my 8+.
One more time…
1) It's a push because you can't have wet or dirty hands, or have your hands otherwise engaged, like in the kitchen making a meal, and use Touch ID effectively.
2) The iPhone X is in non-Plus category, as noted by the same display width as the non-Plus model.
3) I'm certain they never crossed your mind, otherwise you would've posted them.
4) You don't understand what Beta means.
5) The cameras on the iPhone X and iPhone 8 Plus aren't the same.
So you haven't actually tried the X? Let us know once you've actually used it. It works great. For me, Touch ID failed often, and I stopped using it. I'm 5 days in with the X and Face ID has failed maybe twice.
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#1 is way off base. I use mine in the dark laying in bed daily and it has never failed there.
Sorry man, just because its possible to have dirty hands doesnt mean it happens as often as checking your phone while lying sideways in bed. The bed one is a daily thing. Touchid fails cause of dirty fingers for me like once every 90 days if that. Thats why its not a push.
Glad you get its not a plus competitor most do not. However from a cost persepctive the plus is closest.
The camera modules are the same. One more of the rear cams on the x has ois but so ***** what.
I can go all day on X shortcomings. Its a beta product for sure. I know cause i ship beta products all the time.
What about that machine reminds you of the X notch? The optical drives?
Also, I have a hard time calling the MDD PM G4 a transitionary design. It was just the most golden and last of the fold-out mini-towers and not all that different than the Quicksilver model before it (outside of the Mirrored Drive Doors).
More than anything, that machine reminds me of a brighter time for the Mac lineup. Something started to go wrong after the G5 (with their towers). First it was the pricing, then update frequency, and then the use-case, I guess.
You apparently don't work in the construction industry. I do, as do hundreds of thousands, if not millions of other iPhone users who get their hands dirty for a living. Touch ID is not reliable for us. I use my phone far more at work than I do lying sideways in bed. You should try it. Not everyone uses their phone in bed all day.
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What I find it amazing is that some are so disgruntled with Apples decisions Over the years, they find a means of trying to explain to others how bitter they are over a feature or changes this company has made that doesn't fit their own narrative. Some just can't 'accept' change.
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I'm sure someone would be happy to explain, but first you should make clear why you don't think there's an "intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself" in this thread.
I don't really care whether the notch is there or not. The biggest problem with the iPhone X for me is that Apple is saying it's a 5.8" screen when the rounded corners, the notch, and the home bar cut about half an inch of usable screen space off the top and bottom. Why do they have to lie about it? It's already a powerful phone with a beautiful screen and an amazing facial recognition system which is why it's got a notch, and there is about 5" or so of usable screen space. I just wish they'd be honest. The phone is a great product by itself without them stacking a bunch of neatly wrapped lies on top of it.
I believe 11 will be used next. The 9 might be skipped all together. But there is no doubt, the numbering system will continue. It's just a matter of how they incorporate future iPhone models into their line up, which we don't the answer to that.
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You mean what it incorporates behind the Notch, more specifically, housing all Sensors thats designed to protect millions of iPhone users security just by glancing at it? I would say that technology is beyond Mosts comprehension to fully grasp to look past because of a design implementation they don't approve of. The Notch is more than just a physical design, it's everything structured together for what's to come.
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Many people bash on the notch. In my personal opinion, it would have looked better without. I'm sure there are one or two prototypes lying around, but they could not squeeze the tech inside a small enough space or figure out how to put it under the glass.
All the rumors about Touch ID not working under the glass was actually probably about these senors and cameras. Soon it will come, but just not in mass quantities.
I'm not getting the X this go around. My 7+ on 10.3.3 is still kicking ass, but hey, the X is a cool phone. Anyone that has it enjoy it and help make the second version even better.
Just my thoughts. Good night mac rumors.
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We use to argue and fight amongst android users. Now it's happening within our own iOS family. What is happening to this country? /s
All the rumors about Touch ID not working under the glass was actually probably about these senors and cameras. Soon it will come, but just not in mass quantities.
I'm not getting the X this go around. My 7+ on 10.3.3 is still kicking ass, but hey, the X is a cool phone. Anyone that has it enjoy it and help make the second version even better.
Just my thoughts. Good night mac rumors.
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We use to argue and fight amongst android users. Now it's happening within our own iOS family. What is happening to this country? /s
Ah, so it's just an area on the PCB that houses sensors for the new camera system which makes sense for them to be near. They could have been easily housed somewhere else if there's room I suppose. Could have just said that instead of making it out like men's wildest dream with so many big words. But I am impressed with the new faceid system as it sounds like an improvement over existing solutions (don't own an X).
that magazine cover design reeks of zen minimalist genius
i can see apple's entire new design direction in that
presenting the new mac nothing , so thin you can't see it , with no moving parts , or non moving parts or fans to intrude upon your feng shui lifestyle
i can see apple's entire new design direction in that
presenting the new mac nothing , so thin you can't see it , with no moving parts , or non moving parts or fans to intrude upon your feng shui lifestyle