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Let's move on. Notch is here to stay. Even Tim Cook mentioned this in keynote. I'm sure if Apple offered different sizes of future X products, people will change their perspective...either positively or negatively. If they can't adapt to this, well, they will have to stay with old generation iphones...or adopt android.

Move onto a Google Pixel or Galaxy Note 8 ...
 
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I wonder if in 10 to 20 years we will find it hard to imagine that we carried something around with us that we had to interact with in order to communicate with someone, do work, or take pictures. We'll say to our grand kids, we used to have something we called a "smart phone" which everyone kept in their pocket or purse and used all the time. "Huh? no one had embedded chips or digital contacts???" "Crazy!" My point being, everything now seems to be on an evolutionary path, I don't know if anyone really knows where we are headed and no iteration seems to be an arrival point for very long. So enjoy the quirky notch, it will probably not be the defining moment of success or failure for the future of tech.
 
I'm not. It's just an expression. It's pretty tiring how people would debating something that is subjective. However, if you don't agree don't respond. worry about yourself. Many thanks.

Well, now you’re stating it’s an expression. To avoid, just simply use words like “I” or “me”. Next time clearly communicate, as it stands you’re telling others what they should do. I will reiterate, don’t decide for us. Many thanks.
 
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Well, now you’re stating it’s an expression. To avoid, just simply use words like “I” or “me”. Next time clearly communicate, as it stands you’re telling others what they should do. I will reiterate, don’t decide for us. Many thanks.
Again. Worry about yourself. Many thanks.
 
Well, here’s a counterpoint.

Mac sales improved this quarter. More people bought the much-maligned MacBook despite all the vitriol poured on it in forums like this.

Is it possible that the general average consumer loves it, while it is only a very niche group of users who are complaining. Maybe it’s not Apple who ought to change, because from what I see, Apple is still doing the same thing they have always done - use design to make technology more personal and remove barriers that prevent users from getting the most out of their products.

I dareday that the people complaining now are those who have benefited from Apple thinking outside the box and daring to offer unorthodox products in the past. Just that now, they are now no longer Apple’s target market.

It’s a lousy feeling, isn’t it? Realising that you now have no place in this new world order that Apple seeks to bring about?

But you see - the crux of the issue here is that times have changed, and Apple too has changed in keeping with those times. It’s like walking into a French restaurant today and complaining that they don’t serve Japanese cuisine. These people want what Apple cannot or will not provide. Apple’s not the problem. They are.

Ah yes, the Customer Is Never Right rule. Gotcha.
 
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Nevermind all the typical rubbish. I actually have something to contribute.

Does anyone else think his comment could mean an iOS overhaul?
 
So now a screen without a notch is a cheeseburger?

In the context of wanting a bezel-less phone, yes, one could argue that it is.

You want a phone with no borders, something has to give. The home button clearly has to go, and you are still going to have to put the front camera somewhere, even if the iPhone X didn’t come with Face ID.

People rag on Apple for that unsightly notch, but then I look at what the competition has done and I am not convinced their alternatives are any better. Samsung placed two tiny bezels at the top and bottom of their phone, and well, it bothers me more than a notch does.

You want a borderless phone, may as well go all the way.

And if you don’t want it, that’s what the iPhone 8 and 8+ are for.
 
I'll never buy X or any iphone with the said notch. Because I know I wont be able to get over it. Just like I couldn't get over moto 360's flat tire, no matter how hard I tried.
 
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In the context of wanting a bezel-less phone, yes, one could argue that it is.

You want a phone with no borders, something has to give. The home button clearly has to go, and you are still going to have to put the front camera somewhere, even if the iPhone X didn’t come with Face ID.

People rag on Apple for that unsightly notch, but then I look at what the competition has done and I am not convinced their alternatives are any better. Samsung placed two tiny bezels at the top and bottom of their phone, and well, it bothers me more than a notch does.

You want a borderless phone, may as well go all the way.

And if you don’t want it, that’s what the iPhone 8 and 8+ are for.

Don't speak for everyone or put words in my mouth.

Just because some people are obsessed with removing bezels doesn't mean I am especially to the point where I would accept a notch. In my opinion Samsung's solution is the better of the two.

I don't care about the bezels. I care about a notch in the screen. The notch is not innovation. It's not being fancy. It's a hack. It exists because just like Apple failed with TouchID on the X they failed at removing the bezels. It's an expensive mediocre design.
 
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Don't speak for everyone or put words in my mouth.

Just because some people are obsessed with removing bezels doesn't mean I am especially to the point where I would accept a notch. In my opinion Samsung's solution is the better of the two.

I don't care about the bezels. I care about a notch in the screen. The notch is not innovation. It's not being fancy. It's a hack. It exists because just like Apple failed with TouchID on the X they failed at removing the bezels. It's an expensive mediocre design.
How is a notch any better than bezels? Compared to a notch, a bezel at the top of the screen is simply extra space that isn't being used for anything.

Maybe Apple did fail with Touch ID and maybe they didn't. Either way, I think it's safe to way that Touch ID is gone and Face ID is going to form the lynchpin of iPhone interaction for the next couple of years.

The die is cast.
 
here comes the notch complainers

Well, look at it, do you see why a lot of people are complaining? It’s hideous
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oh, those iPhone 8 owners = haters LOL
I don't even see that notch at all on my iPhone X. Keep telling that to yourself while enjoying your 2014 bezels haha

This screams I made a bad decision on my iPhone X
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I got my 6S, you know what else I’m enjoying? An extra £1k in my pocket. You know what I’m missing? A slightly nicer display and some animated emojis I’ll never use. Sounds good to me.

Amen brother...Amen.. but also don’t forget about all the problems people are having..and btw I love my 10.3.3 software
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How Many times does this need to be debunked? Apple is not going to implement touch ID under the display, as Face ID is clearly their future.

God please no...my buddies complain about it everyday, they are constantly either trying to reposition their phones and / or their faces so it can read it, when we are outside kind a looks like they’re looking in a mirror or something checking all sides of their face LOL, it’s not pretty
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Anyone who has used Face ID for more that 5 minutes knows that Touch ID is dead. It's just taking the rest of you time to figure out the the corpse is getting cold.

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But it does get out of the way; those who actually own one say they don’t even notice the notch after awhile!

Another Ive home run, guaranteed to infuriate the haters lol

Sounds like you have been listening to too many paid reviews...trust me people notice and hate it, and one I know is returning it
 
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How is a notch any better than bezels? Compared to a notch, a bezel at the top of the screen is simply extra space that isn't being used for anything.

Maybe Apple did fail with Touch ID and maybe they didn't. Either way, I think it's safe to way that Touch ID is gone and Face ID is going to form the lynchpin of iPhone interaction for the next couple of years.

The die is cast.

Considering Apple has lowered orders of the parts for the phone to 40% I would say that the x is a flop. Not good after the 8 flopped.
 
Considering Apple has lowered orders of the parts for the phone to 40% I would say that the x is a flop. Not good after the 8 flopped.

Where are you getting this data?

From what I am seeing, iPhone X sales are through the roof and the iPhone 8 and 8+ aren’t doing so bad themselves.
 
None of them refer to sales of iPhone X being disappointing.

They all talk about possible component shortage, not lessening demand, and it is a week before the iPhone was released. As a general rule of thumb, supply chain rumours about a yet-to-be-released product are no longer relevant once the product has actually been released.

The links you posted are irrelevant at best and downright misleading at worst.

One source of data would be Mixpanel.

https://mixpanel.com/trends/#report/iphone_8_X

As of today, estimated iphone adoption is as follows:
Iphone 8: 1.82%
Iphone 8+: 2.45%
Iphone X: 1.52%

As of the moment, both the iPhone 8 models have been out for close to 7 weeks, while the iPhone X has been out for a week. Last quarter, Apple sold an average of 4 million iPhones a week. We are looking at around 23 million iPhones sold so far, and ~8.2 million iPhone X units. Which is interesting enough, a lot higher than the 2-3 million that rumours had pegged supply at.

Assuming supply holds up, I think Apple can sell around 30 million units of iPhone X in the first quarter of 2018, plus 35 million iPhone 8 and 8+ units. Include sales of older iPhones and we are looking at sales of between 75-80 million. That to me is a very respectable number. For context, Apple sold a total of 78 million iPhones in the first quarter of 2017.

Apple has also posted higher revenue guidance for next quarter, so they clearly expect the iPhone to do well.

So I would say that launch day sales of the iPhone X has been doing very well, and it will continue to do well. As always, the proof of the pudding will lie in Apple's earnings for the next quarter, and I won't be holding my breath.
 
Well, here’s a counterpoint.

Mac sales improved this quarter. More people bought the much-maligned MacBook despite all the vitriol poured on it in forums like this.

Is it possible that the general average consumer loves it, while it is only a very niche group of users who are complaining. Maybe it’s not Apple who ought to change, because from what I see, Apple is still doing the same thing they have always done - use design to make technology more personal and remove barriers that prevent users from getting the most out of their products.

I dareday that the people complaining now are those who have benefited from Apple thinking outside the box and daring to offer unorthodox products in the past. Just that now, they are now no longer Apple’s target market.

It’s a lousy feeling, isn’t it? Realising that you now have no place in this new world order that Apple seeks to bring about?

But you see - the crux of the issue here is that times have changed, and Apple too has changed in keeping with those times. It’s like walking into a French restaurant today and complaining that they don’t serve Japanese cuisine. These people want what Apple cannot or will not provide. Apple’s not the problem. They are.

You sound like a good customer for Apple. You look too them to tell you what you want. It doesn't matter if you don't like French food, you are going to eat it because that is what Apple has prepared for you.

Me, I like Japanese food so I'm going to a doesn't restaurant. I don't have to eat something I don't like.


Maybe they should. Then we will have one less disgruntled user and this forum will be a better place for it.

So you don't want anyone with a different opinion on a forum? That would seem kind of boring. I guess everyone could just praise Apple and never have a critical comment about anything they do. And everyone can complement each other for their wise choice in technology.
 
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I dont know if the sales are doing good or not but right now tmobile Estimated ship date: 11/18/2017 - 11/27/2017

thats 1-2 week... It took longer to get a Watch 3 LTE.
 
So you don't want anyone with a different opinion on a forum? That would seem kind of boring. I guess everyone could just praise Apple and never have a critical comment about anything they do. And everyone can complement each other for their wise choice in technology.
I welcome differing opinions. I am just not seeing much of that here. Just a ton of noise and kneejerk “first” comments that are exceedingly shallow and superficial.

Look at the first six pages of comments in this thread. Tell me with a straight face that is the epitome of the sort of intelligent, rational critical analysis you want to promote and encourage.
 
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