Apple Design Chief Jony Ive Retaking Direct Control of Design Team [Updated]

[Macaholic868]

Just in time for Ive to ruin the MacPro again.

Not quite. If Apple is producing a new modular Mac Pro set to debut 2018 then it’s design is close to being locked in. It’s the 2019’s I’d be worried about. Hardwa

because we all miss the reliability of iOS on first days. I do love Craig a lot because he's bringing new design and new interesting features every year, but the fact that iOS is becoming more buggy every year is making me sick.

It’s not that simple. Apple sells millions of iPhones a year with internal components from so many more manufacturers then back when the first iPhone was released. You will never get the kind of hardware / software nirvana that Apple had when the first iPhone launched due to the scale at which they now have to produce these things. On iPhone launch day they had one hardware and software rev. that only had to work on AT&T’s Edge network. Now fast forward to today. Consider how many iPhone makes and models they are supporting and how many more component suppliers and wireless providers they have to deal with and program for.

 

[tkermit]

iOS 11 was getting some shadows and 3D action, now in iOS 12 we will go back to flat, white, boring and old design.

That's my fear. Plus, he's going to make fonts and everything look ultrathin again, isn't he?

 

[bmunge]

LOL this just goes to show even with a new campus and the supposed "Best and Brightest" Silicon Valley has to offer they still can't seem to push the envelope.

I guess Apple still has lot's of growing pains to work through. I really hope nothing happens to Ive in the near future otherwise Apple won't have much left.

At the end of the day Tim Cook is very much an excel spreadsheet by the numbers guy. To truly innovate you have to do things that don't make sense to anyone except the one with the vision. I'd rather see Apple try really hard make a few mistakes and at least 1 exciting product than keep playing it safe.

Have you not heard of iPhone X?

 

[KJL3000]

Great. Now get back to work and fix that MacBook Pro, Jony!

 

[44267547]

Interesting to read the superficial demands by other members Directing Ive to 'Get back to work Jonny' or 'Don't Make your devices thinner .' Almost as if someone is portraying they understand his full responsibilities with in Apple and what he should be doing on a daily basis, because others apparently know what it takes to be a Chief Design engineer. Juvenile comments indeed.

 

[Bacillus]

Emo Jony (soft as Charmin')
Jony without Steve is like Robin without Batman. Pippen without Jordan. Bronn without a Lannister brother to bodyguard.
http://www.businessinsider.com/stev...-by-taking-credit-for-his-design-work-2011-10
Jonathan "Jony" Ive, Apple's design maestro, was regularly frustrated with his good friend, and boss, Steve Jobs taking all the credit for Apple product's design.
"I pay maniacal attention to where an idea comes from, and I even keep notebooks filled with my ideas," he said. "So it hurts when he takes credit for one of my designs."
https://www.cultofmac.com/316586/jony-ive-was-almost-fired-by-steve-jobs/
“You know Jony. He’s kind of a cherub,” Jobs told one of the authors of Becoming Steve Jobs, during an earlier magazine interview. “I liked him right away. And I could tell after that first meeting that [former Apple CEO Gil Amelio] had wasted his talent.”
Jony hasn't been the same without Steve. Tim has wasted Jony's talent the last six years. Nobody to push him and guide him. Tim isn't a visionary and Jony isn't a natural leader.

Could have been the best route towards pathological narcism...

 

[Veinticinco]

It's not fair to assume Scott wouldn't have moved on from skeuomorphism. He never had the chance to lead a redesign. Especially since iOS has a history of design tweaks every 3 versions.

I think it was the obsession/refusal to consider there were even other UX directions, that spoke volumes.

It was this type of behaviour, that, by all accounts, did for his Apple career. He rubbed the right people (like Ive) up the wrong way.
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Age hate much? quite disturbing that you went so far as to research all those people’s ages just to make your point.

You don’t need to be young to be good at what you do. Does Aerosmith suck? The Rolling Stones? Ozzy Osbourne? Einstein was old and gray and still coming up with new theories. Do you think Stephen Hawking should just go away because he’s old now? Werner Herzog might as well just give up making movies too.

Youth doesn’t guarantee innovation. That’s a sophomoric hipster mentality emerging from this new age of entitlement. All the young people think they are all stars and eons better than old people.

But sometimes it’s the people who have been around long enough to see tons of other mistakes are the only ones who can actually make things better.

Experience matters.

Not that I’m ageist but actually your theory doesn’t hold much water.

Those ageing rockers you cite are long since (multiple decades) past their best it’s laughable, and only tour to keep the $$$ rolling in.

Then you cite two physicists. Whilst Einstein coasted through middle age being a patent clerk, the majority of the TOR was conceived as a much younger man. Same with Hawking, in fact it’s pretty much an accepted fact in academia that scientists do their best work in their youth, 20s even.

Anyway these are individuals, that don’t work within a corporate organisation with different pressures. It’s clear that the likes of Cook, Schiller et al don’t have a visionary bone in their body. These are guys who follow not lead. The embarrassing adoption of Jimmy Iovine and Carpool Karaoke to “get down with what kids want” being just 2 examples.

 

[Feyl]

Nostalgia this is not. I have an iPhone 5 running iOS 6 and I can honestly tell you with the exception of today's additional features which are a given when compared to a five year old OS, it is a far more fluid, polished, snappy and enjoyable experience. And this is comparing it to the latest iPhone. It doesn't have micro stutters or lag everywhere and it doesn't have a poorly implemented, ameteur-level UI. Everyone has just forgotten how good it really was back then because we've become accustomed to the s**t show sloppyness that we have today.

Exactly. My old iPhone 4 on iOS 6 has smoother animations and transitions than my 6s.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Good lord no. Unless you think he can single-handedly run both divisions by himself, because him returning is going to result in a mass defection of epic proportions.

If you think Apple is bad now, I daresay Apple under Scott will be even worse, because whatever talents he brings to the table will be more than offset by the acrimony and friction his presence will result in.

disagreed.

 

[atropos]

Exactly. My old iPhone 4 on iOS 6 has smoother animations and transitions than my 6s.

Exactly, in the old day, we love to setup the iPhone, it’s much more fluid, and not “scary”.. but in iOS 10, 11, and worse macOS we always got “wait,what?!”, “how do i... ”, it’s not working again... sort of situation; it’s not like the Apple it used to. Warm, welcome and interface anymore.. and the iPhone X is a really good example, people get fuzzy on how to handle the device, it’s more like Android after all lol.
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Tim Cook is destroying Apple how?

Well, the software quality at least; and yes some people will say”well Steve and Scott era also has a lot of bugs, sth like that”... but hay, the root access is serious and dumb, the dec 12 bugs also dumb, and cost rush out the iOS 11.2 is more stupidity things they ever done( GM iOS 11.2 in 10 hours after iOS 11.2 beta 6 updated, they must be desperately forced by marketing department)

 

[Feyl]

It's not fair to assume Scott wouldn't have moved on from skeuomorphism. He never had the chance to lead a redesign. Especially since iOS has a history of design tweaks every 3 versions.

I think he was in favour of slowly clean up the UI rather than change it overnight like they did after his departure.

If you look at apps like Maps or Music they weren't skeuomorphic at all. They were nice and clean. The weather app also had different and thinner fonts.

So I think he planned some kind of "redesign". Jony Ive just took it too far and did something different just to piss Scott Forstall off and showed who is the "king" at Apple now.

 

[Naraxus]

It would be interesting to see just how many people are leaving Apple over this, or if it’s just a small group of more vocal critics.

I think the pro users need to be realistic as to what they know Apple can give them. Products like the MacBook Pro and iMac Pro essentially telegraph the design direction of Apple's Mac lineup and I am not sure there is room for a Mac Pro, though Apple has verbally committed to releasing one next year, so we will see how that one goes.

Fair point. In thinking about this a little more I do acknowledge that for a good portion of consumers a Mac Pro (hell even a laptop/iMac) might be overkill but I don't think you throw the baby out with the bathwater. There's no question Apple's money comes from the iPhone but until the day you can create apps/software on an iPad or iPhone, Macs are still very much needed and shouldn't be relegated to third-world status.

 

[I7guy]

He boogered it up in the first place. At best you'll get another design he thinks you want, rather than what you want.

Maybe you should communicate with him and let him know do he doesn’t assume what YOU want.
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Emo Jony (soft as Charmin')

Jony without Steve is like Robin without Batman. Pippen without Jordan. Bronn without a Lannister brother to bodyguard.


http://www.businessinsider.com/stev...-by-taking-credit-for-his-design-work-2011-10

Jonathan "Jony" Ive, Apple's design maestro, was regularly frustrated with his good friend, and boss, Steve Jobs taking all the credit for Apple product's design.

"I pay maniacal attention to where an idea comes from, and I even keep notebooks filled with my ideas," he said. "So it hurts when he takes credit for one of my designs."

https://www.cultofmac.com/316586/jony-ive-was-almost-fired-by-steve-jobs/

“You know Jony. He’s kind of a cherub,” Jobs told one of the authors of Becoming Steve Jobs, during an earlier magazine interview. “I liked him right away. And I could tell after that first meeting that [former Apple CEO Gil Amelio] had wasted his talent.”


Jony hasn't been the same without Steve. Tim has wasted Jony's talent the last six years. Nobody to push him and guide him. Tim isn't a visionary and Jony isn't a natural leader.

And yet Apple is doing just fine by measurable metrics even though you personally do not like the management team.

 

[MH01]

This man really needs to take the place of Tim Crook. CEOs of great companies aren't the sales personnel, they are the engineers that make the products. Look at what Razer and Tesla have done.

Please look at this http://www.theenglishgroup.co.uk/blog/2013/10/10/jonathan-ive-marc-newson-leica-m-camera/

Everytime I look what he did to the camera, I'm reminded that Ives is not amazing , and someone like jobs has to be to remind him and user experience and UX are far important than looks. That Leica is a nightmare from a useability point of view . I've is just about minimalistc , focuses around thinner and thinner, he is not a product visionary .

 

[Radon87000]

Jonny - good job on the notch. All of our products have to be uniformly identifiable - Tim

So you want product size to be identifiable st the cost of user experience?

 

[I7guy]

So you want product size to be identifiable st the cost of user experience?

There is no compromise here. It’s better than making the phone needlessly bigger at the expense of usability.

 

[Radon87000]

Do you seriously think that’s going to happen anytime soon?

If Samsung figure out an under the display fingerprint scanner, it could happen sooner than you think.

 

[atropos]

And I think people should cut the skeuomorphic cr*p... Forstall did said design is like a ongoing process, and he’s not a “skeuomorphic supporter”, and I think by that time, the skeuomorphic is easy approach for people to accept the new interface.

I think he was in favour of slowly clean up the UI rather than change it overnight like they did after his departure.

If you look at apps like Maps or Music they weren't skeuomorphic at all. They were nice and clean. The weather app also had different and thinner fonts.

So I think he planned some kind of "redesign". Jony Ive just took it too far and did something different just to piss Scott Forstall off and showed who is the "king" at Apple now.

 

[Feyl]

And I think people should cut the skeuomorphic cr*p... Forstall did said design is like a ongoing process, and he’s not a “skeuomorphic supporter”, and I think by that time, the skeuomorphic is easy approach for people to accept the new interface.

Honestly, I heard the term for the first time when they fired Scott. It's such an overused word and people don't have a clue what it actually means.

You know, people are generally stupid and they tend to like the newest stuff, just because it looks fresh. It's the same with fashion. I'm sure that "skeuomorphic" design will come back one day and people will absolutely love it and call it intuitive and fun. Like they used to when it was trendy.

I personally didn't have any problems with Apple until they introduced that iOS 7 and OS X Yosemite crap.

 

[I7guy]

If Samsung figure out an under the display fingerprint scanner, it could happen sooner than you think.

Im sure they will while Apple is working on face id 2. You can be sure something similar (or identical) will find its way to android.

 

[tkermit]

I personally didn't have any problems with Apple until they introduced that iOS 7 and OS X Yosemite crap.

I personally wouldn't go so far as to call it "crap" (anymore) but that's when a chasm of usability issues was opened that had long been solved by Apple. Never in a million years prior to that would I have believed that they would get rid of visually identifiable buttons and other interactive UI elements (now slowly returning), introduce tons of contrast issues, make fonts sometimes literally unreadable and icons barely identifiable at first glance, use gaudy color schemes bordering on the repugnant, all clad in huge amounts of blur etc.

To be fair, I feel like iOS 11 has been hugely improved over iOS 7 in all of these respects.

 

[oldmacs]

Im sure they will while Apple is working on face id 2. You can be sure something similar (or identical) will find its way to android.

Yep - sad the amount of influence that Apple has these days - if Apple does it (Regards of if it is better or not) the rest of the market copies it.

 

[I7guy]

Yep - sad the amount of influence that Apple has these days - if Apple does it (Regards of if it is better or not) the rest of the market copies it.

They do have influence, but you can’t argue the success of Touch ID was a bad thing for the industry. However Apple is also very much the beneficiary of others hard work so it goes both ways.

 

[oldmacs]

They do have influence, but you can’t argue the success of Touch ID was a bad thing for the industry. However Apple is also very much the beneficiary of others hard work so it goes both ways.

I've got no issues with Touch ID - it was one of the best iPhone additions ever. I do have an issue with Face ID, and the fact that it will be accepted despite its drawbacks and then copied by the rest of the industry.

 

[Feyl]

I personally wouldn't go so far as to call it "crap" (anymore) but that's when a chasm of usability issues was opened that had long been solved by Apple. Never in a million years prior to that would I have believed that they would get rid of visually identifiable buttons and other interactive UI elements (now slowly returning), introduce tons of contrast issues, make fonts sometimes literally unreadable and icons barely identifiable at first glance, use gaudy color schemes bordering on the repugnant, all clad in huge amounts of blur etc.

To be fair, I feel like iOS 11 has been hugely improved over iOS 7 in all of these respects.

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I’m not afraid of calling it crap because when you can’t clearly read something due to the fact that there’s hardly any contrast between the elements or if something is not intuitive enough (I mean totally fool proof), it’s a failure as a concept.

Also what exactly is the advantage to go from a bitmap based UI to a vector UI? Easier adaptibility for larger screens? Maybe, but it brings many problems that Apple hasn’t been able to correct to this day.

I agree with you that iOS 11 is in a better shape... for the most part. They improved some things but they broke more things that were.. OK, not great but OK.