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It's interesting hearing the various opinions on Apple park.... outside of Macs , iPhones etc , Ives thinks he is an amazing designer .... just have Not seen proof of this : to this date I still curse how badly the ATV remote is designed, one of many examples of poor design where form over function is taking over .
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and for Christmas: "Scott Forstall Retaking Direct Control of iOS and macOS Software Teams"

I wish . Such a poor decision to let him go.
 
Im sure they will while Apple is working on face id 2. You can be sure something similar (or identical) will find its way to android.
I don’t think Android will adopt FaceID as it is. Samsung will stick to improving its iris scanner and research an under the display scanner while you will have those me too face unlocks which aren’t even remotely secure.
 
Please look at this http://www.theenglishgroup.co.uk/blog/2013/10/10/jonathan-ive-marc-newson-leica-m-camera/

Everytime I look what he did to the camera, I'm reminded that Ives is not amazing , and someone like jobs has to be to remind him and user experience and UX are far important than looks. That Leica is a nightmare from a useability point of view . I've is just about minimalistc , focuses around thinner and thinner, he is not a product visionary .

I know right. The M Edition 60 is infinitely sexier than that garbage. Likewise pretty much every M ever made.
 

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I don’t think Android will adopt FaceID as it is. Samsung will stick to improving its iris scanner and research an under the display scanner while you will have those me too face unlocks which aren’t even remotely secure.
No matter what Samsung implements it still won't be as good as apples solution. Even Kuo says apple has a two-year lead and if he is the gospel on leaks to some, he should be the gospel on other items as well. Right?
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It's interesting hearing the various opinions on Apple park.... outside of Macs , iPhones etc , Ives thinks he is an amazing designer .... just have Not seen proof of this : to this date I still curse how badly the ATV remote is designed, one of many examples of poor design where form over function is taking over .
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I wish . Such a poor decision to let him go.
Well your opinion. But seems he will now be more entrenched than ever in design decisions. BTW Ives doesn't think he an amazing designer. Tim Cook, mgmt and the board thinks he is. Otherwise he would be out of a job.

(His Leica M fetched $1.8M. Ok, you might not be a fan of that design, but someone was)
 
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LOL this just goes to show even with a new campus and the supposed "Best and Brightest" Silicon Valley has to offer they still can't seem to push the envelope.

I guess Apple still has lot's of growing pains to work through. I really hope nothing happens to Ive in the near future otherwise Apple won't have much left.

At the end of the day Tim Cook is very much an excel spreadsheet by the numbers guy. To truly innovate you have to do things that don't make sense to anyone except the one with the vision. I'd rather see Apple try really hard make a few mistakes and at least 1 exciting product than keep playing it safe.

Airpods are a perfect example of Apple at its best. Take something already in the marketplace and make it more elegant and usable. They disappear in the experience.
 
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Exactly, in the old day, we love to setup the iPhone, it’s much more fluid, and not “scary”.. but in iOS 10, 11, and worse macOS we always got “wait,what?!”, “how do i... ”, it’s not working again... sort of situation; it’s not like the Apple it used to. Warm, welcome and interface anymore.. and the iPhone X is a really good example, people get fuzzy on how to handle the device, it’s more like Android after all lol.
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Well, the software quality at least; and yes some people will say”well Steve and Scott era also has a lot of bugs, sth like that”... but hay, the root access is serious and dumb, the dec 12 bugs also dumb, and cost rush out the iOS 11.2 is more stupidity things they ever done( GM iOS 11.2 in 10 hours after iOS 11.2 beta 6 updated, they must be desperately forced by marketing department)

Those are pretty bad bugs. I seem to remember hearing about an OS X version where you could basically keep hitting keys and cause the login screen to crash to log in to that account. There was also the time when Snow Leopard decides to delete some people’s user data. How about that time when iOS 6 killed the ability to update over the air? Or when iOS 6 wrecked WiFi? Or when iOS 5 broke SIM cards? Some were minor, but some basically stopped you from using your device.

Apple software has always been buggy as hell, we just pay attention to it more nowadays.

If Samsung figure out an under the display fingerprint scanner, it could happen sooner than you think.

I don’t think Apple changed so much software and pushed for a CSS change just to quickly remove the notch. It doesn’t make sense.
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Get rid of the protruding cameras, notch and antenna lines, Mr Ive.
Use glass ceramics.
Thank you.

Jony Ive isn’t known for making phones thicker, which is how you get rid of the camera bump. Either that, or you get a worse camera.
 
Those are pretty bad bugs. I seem to remember hearing about an OS X version where you could basically keep hitting keys and cause the login screen to crash to log in to that account. There was also the time when Snow Leopard decides to delete some people’s user data. How about that time when iOS 6 killed the ability to update over the air? Or when iOS 6 wrecked WiFi? Or when iOS 5 broke SIM cards? Some were minor, but some basically stopped you from using your device.

Apple software has always been buggy as hell, we just pay attention to it more nowadays.



I don’t think Apple changed so much software and pushed for a CSS change just to quickly remove the notch. It doesn’t make sense.
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Jony Ive isn’t known for making phones thicker, which is how you get rid of the camera bump. Either that, or you get a worse camera.
There's too much bulk around the camera. The glass could be made thinner so could the housing. It's possible to go thin and remove the camera bump.
 
There's too much bulk around the camera. The glass could be made thinner so could the housing. It's possible to go thin and remove the camera bump.

I doubt it’s that simple. What other phones have a camera as good as the iPhone, is as thin as one, and doesn’t have a camera bump? Some companies are hiding it these days with a thicker device. That’s how Samsung is doing it.
 
Because then I need a cable and a power source. With the current implementation, I can charge my pencil anywhere I am, so long as I have my iPad with me (and I should, if I need to use the pencil). No need for lightning cables or power banks. Just plug in the pencil into the iPad for a few minutes and I am good to go. As far as integrated solutions go, you don't get any more streamlined than this.

It's a lot of things, but streamlined is not one of them.

The iPhone, the iPad, the magic mouse, the magic keyboard, the magic trackpad and even the watch use the same charging concept, so no, it's not smart because it's incompatible with the charging method of all the other devices.

And can continued to be made on emoji machines. People can still code on a MacBook Pro or iMac or even the upcoming iMac pro

I don't get Your point here - you cannot produce apps on the iPhone and iPad, so you need the niche machines, different tools do different jobs.

Good lord no. Unless you think he can single-handedly run both divisions by himself, because him returning is going to result in a mass defection of epic proportions.

If you think Apple is bad now, I daresay Apple under Scott will be even worse, because whatever talents he brings to the table will be more than offset by the acrimony and friction his presence will result in.

Yeah, because it's not like Apple get's anything done when there is friction because of people in top management.

And judging by the current products and their quirkiness and outright bad design decisions, maybe a mass defection of epic proportions are what we need - the ones that currently steer the ship seems to be really bad at it.
 
Love this! He is a true visionary. But they really need help in quality control, mostly around their software, lately.

Nope, he was a true visionary when there was someone like Jobs to focus him and reign in the stupidity. Without that, he is just an average dreamer that does not care how he screws up functionality to get to slim and sleek. All you need to do is look at the Apple campus. Great to look at, but it will suck to do serious work in. Over the next few years Apple will spend a lot of money, that will never be admitted to, to get back the productivity they have lost.
 
It would be interesting to see just how many people are leaving Apple over this, or if it’s just a small group of more vocal critics.

I think the pro users need to be realistic as to what they know Apple can give them. Products like the MacBook Pro and iMac Pro essentially telegraph the design direction of Apple's Mac lineup and I am not sure there is room for a Mac Pro, though Apple has verbally committed to releasing one next year, so we will see how that one goes.

All the new development tools are developed for Linux. ~10 years ago, Apple switched from using Macs in their data centers to linux. I think the hand writing is on the wall and has been on the wall for some time.

Apple is going to do the same stupid thing HP did, that is get rid of the core product that made them in search of riches with mass consumer devices. In HP's world that was to abandoned test equipment, with Apple it is to abandon computers.

The problem with this strategy is that mass consumer devices will and are becoming commodities. Commodities compete on price. Apple has no clue how to compete on price. They think they are Apple and people will buy Apple no matter the price. No one at Apple sees the brick wall they are headed for. Will they hit it next year? Nope, but that does not mean that the wall is not out there.
 
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Finally, he can’t stand for Tim Cook is destroying Apple

Destroying Apple? You mean with all those customers opening their wallets to buy Apple products, making what will likely be another record-setting revenue quarter?
 
SD card slot....put it back

But then Ive's masterpiece wouldn't be perfect!

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If Apple design wasn't run by overpaid fools then the iMac would be thicker, all the ports would be on the side, and performance wouldn't be throttled by inadequate cooling.
 
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Maybe he finally recognize that an anthracite colored MacPro with a silver keyboard with matte white keys and a silver mouse with white glossy surface and a black cheap plastic LG monitor is not the same design piece if offices than the old G4 or MacPro with all aluminium accessories and a 30" original alu display. Or the thin iMac and a thick old external Apple monitor with non-fit monitor leg and high, etc. Every bull*** like the apple watch and iPad mini is available in all colors, just the keyboard and mouse not. For me a rich company like Apple cannot say that manufacturing external displays is not good business, Apple before had a good design also, they must to manufacture 30" or 32" top quality Apple branded display too, it is like when you buy a Porsche with a third party Mitsubishi seats, because it is not a good business for Porsche to manufacture seats... In days when you can buy a computer for 400$, when you buy a MacPro with everything for 10.000$, they must to provide a stunning design with every accessories i think.
 
Makes quite a lot of sense. Apple did what made financial sense to it back then given its constraints - make high end hardware for a certain demographic who was being underserved by the PC market.

Just as Apple is doing what makes financial sense for it right now given the scale at which it operates - not serve an increasingly niche market for which there is little money to be made.

The rebel has finally gone from challenging the status quo to replacing the status quo and becoming part of that status quo. It was inevitable.

Plenty of large companies can walk and chew gum at the same time. Serving the pro market is not only profitable but also gives an great ROI in regards to reputation. Scorning the pro market will one day come back to bite Apple.

Another point: Apple's secret weapon that cannot be copied by anyone else is integration. iOS and macOS sync together beautifully, so when a pro shop uses Macs that translates into iPhone and iPad sales to all those who work in that shop. Pro sales are a force multiplier and it is beyond stupid for Apple to surrender the pro market just because margins aren't as obscene as with their precious iPhones.
 
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Why? Most people didn’t need or use it. Get an adapter instead of asking everyone else to buy a component that so few use.

Maybe you don't use the SD slot, but countless photographers, video graphers, audio engineers use it daily.
People also use the SD slot to cheaply expand the storage on their machine or use permanently installed SD for backups via TimeMachine. A dongle hanging off your machine is not an equivalent replacement. Besides, who wants to carry around a bag of dongles to make their machine work?
 
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