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Pixel density isn't the only consideration, it has to be coupled with real estate. Some apps will be ridiculously tiny at 4k on a 21.5". I have a 32" Dell at 4k which is almost perfect, but sometimes text etc is too small, personally I would say 27" is the minimum for 4k, 24" at a push, but 21.5" I can't see how it would be good to view

Macs have scaling so that's not a concern.
 
Is there any way to connect the 5k to a 2013 Mac Pro and get 60hz? I'm in the market for a 5K 27" display and the price of this one is extremely affordable now.
 
What they need to do is discount the MBP... and only till the end of the year? Seriously Apple? I mean I think the adaptors should be permanently discounted and a USB-usbC should come in the box for free.
 
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WOW I wonder about their profit margins if they can cut it by 25% and go on happy....

a production cost/selling price ratio of 1:10 is normal. i could imagine apple might be above that.
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The new MBP is their best selling to date.

a) it's always the best selling product. b) just as the apple watch was, and now they are shutting down the first shops in the best location (google: lafayette apple store closing).
 
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Operating System: macOS Sierra 10.12.1 or later

Connection: Thunderbolt 3–enabled Mac
Can I not use either of these displays with a current-model high-end 5K iMac or 2013 Mac Pro because it lacks USB-C/Thunderbolt 3, and there is no backwards compatibility with dual Thunderbolt 2? Almost makes me glad Apple is out of the display business...
 
Macs have scaling so that's not a concern.
Yes I know I have a few, whats the point in getting a 4k screen if your going to scale everything. Your not going to fit much on a 21.5" screen once its been scaled to a readable size either.
 
I called Apple recently to ask why a charge for my MBP order hadn't yet appeared on my credit card - not even the validation charge (usually a small sum). I was advised that the sum won't be presented until much closer to shipping.

With the way things are going, I'm beginning to wonder if the sum presented may be lower than I'm expecting…
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What they need to do is discount the MBP... and only till the end of the year? Seriously Apple? I mean I think the adaptors should be permanently discounted and a USB-usbC should come in the box for free.
Many have said this. This would be counter-productive, considering the whole point of going all USB-C in this fashion is to accelerate its adoption.
 
Not too bad, too bad they are LG though.
I don't know about that - because the quality could hardly be any worse than apples thunderbolt displays (which are also an ergonomic nightmare because they don't have any height adjustment.) I'm trying to fix another one now which is partially broken (backlight / driver / out of warranty) -for the price those 27" Thunderbolt displays should have lasted for a decade :/!
 
I don't know about that - because the quality could hardly be any worse than apples thunderbolt displays (which are also an ergonomic nightmare because they don't have any height adjustment.) I'm trying to fix another one now which is partially broken (backlight / driver / out of warranty) -for the price those 27" Thunderbolt displays should have lasted for a decade :/!
Never even seen an Apple thunderbolt display in person.
I do recommend the Philips BDM4065UC though. Awesome monitor I have for about a year now. Yes, it doesn't have the "special" features but, it's still pretty awesome.
 
The new MBP is their best selling to date.

That is not what Apple said.. best "Online" seller.

"best online seller" != "best selling"

Considering the new machines aren't available in store for several weeks at the time of announcement... online is the only place to buy.
 
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I think a price cut on the laptops is called for because they are way beyond what normal people expect to pay that kind of product.

It used to be that Apple laptop prices were equivalent to the high end windows laptop prices from Sony etc.. so the high prices of Apple gear was really an illusion. Now with these machines it isn't an illusion. I don't think a comparable spec pc costs anything like what these cost.

Having said that the complaints were not just about the price, but the actual machine itself. I don't see how discounting the product solves the perceived problems that the machine has with some pro's.

I personally think it's a machine that ergonomically is a big ahead of its time. And as always, users with legacy baggage always have trouble adapting to the future.

The other concern is that Apple don't really have a competitive high end machine for Pro's so the focus has rested on their laptops as the top end machine. Which is why pro's are up in arms.

I suggest Apple look at the marketing bill to solve the negative press they are getting and put it towards updating the Mac Pro to a top of the line machine. Yes, it may not be a profitable product line but the promotional ability of a flag ship computer must outweigh any unprofitablity. The brand can not afford to be tarnished. Surely, with all the profits Apple make its cheaper to just make the top end computer that the Pro's want rather than spending it on advertising to convince them that they're wrong?
 
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Can I not use either of these displays with a current-model high-end 5K iMac or 2013 Mac Pro because it lacks USB-C/Thunderbolt 3, and there is no backwards compatibility with dual Thunderbolt 2? Almost makes me glad Apple is out of the display business...
Of course not. Even with a Mac Pro you are limited to 4K@60Hz external, because of Thunderbolt 2. Before this became an Apple complainers forum, people shared actual information on what was needed to run an external 5K display. Why do you think we were waiting for new MacBook Pros? It's a little miracle they managed to do it with DisplayPort 1.2 standard on Skylake. Now the 15" MacBook Pro can run not one but two 5K@60Hz and people be like 'there is nothing Pro about this laptop anymore'. Ridiculous!

4K and 5K Display Buyer's Guide for Macs
 
Because they slashed the monitor prices, that means they were actually expecting people to buy the new over-priced macbooks in addition to dongles in addition to $1000 monitors?

damn... thats like the greediest thing I have ever seen. Those +$300 discounts make you think... just how much is their mark up.
 
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What is the point of buying 5K monitor now when the iPhone can only take 4K videos? Will the text be too small to see? I am a programmer.
If you are a programmer, don't you know how graphics works? More pixels doesn't necessarily have to mean smaller fonts, it can give you the opportunity to have more pixels in each letter and hence sharper text.
Same approach as in retina MBP.
Also allows you to edit 4k video pixel for pixel with a 1000 pixels for other stuff around it.
 
Well, honestly, as a retoucher, I want my display to be as unassuming and neutral as possible. The LG fits that bill—to a fault. Compared to Apple's old monitors, sure, it's ugly. But it's not dealbreaker-ugly, especially if the actual display recreates wide color accurately.

No it's definitely deal breaker-fugly. I'd be embarrassed to have something that fugly in my home/office.
 
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I appreciate the discount, but I'd rather have something that looks nice. I really wonder how they come up with this thing?
Both couldn’t be bad either.
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Of course not. Even with a Mac Pro you are limited to 4K@60Hz external, because of Thunderbolt 2. Before this became an Apple complainers forum, people shared actual information on what was needed to run an external 5K display. Why do you think we were waiting for new MacBook Pros? It's a little miracle they managed to do it with DisplayPort 1.2 standard on Skylake. Now the 15" MacBook Pro can run not one but two 5K@60Hz and people be like 'there is nothing Pro about this laptop anymore'. Ridiculous!

4K and 5K Display Buyer's Guide for Macs
You sound a little fixated on those graphics things?
Just having the ability to drive a 5K display doesn’t make it pro. It seems I’m not alone in this line of thinking.
 
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"The LG UltraFine 5K Display is now priced at $974, a $325 price cut from its original price of $1,299.95."

So... we must assume that Apple has chosen to reduce its profit margin by, say, 40-50%, on this one?

I'll guess they're getting them from LG for a unit wholesale price of around $650-700 each.
And I'm certain LG is still earning their own profits at that price.

This provides us a clue as to how much Apple's markup on their products is.

Also clues us into their corporate mindset regarding their customer base -- "stick 'em up!"

I'll take another guess and speculate that the orders on this one turned out to be A LOT FEWER than Apple anticipated.

I wonder if the new MacBook Pro's have been "priced up" similarly to the display?

Pure speculation on my part, but I'll reckon that they could cut the price of the entry-level touchbar model from $1,799 to $1,499, and STILL earn $300-400 profit on each unit sold...
 
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"The LG UltraFine 5K Display is now priced at $974, a $325 price cut from its original price of $1,299.95."

So... we must assume that Apple has chosen to reduce its profit margin by, say, 40-50%, on this one?

I'll guess they're getting them from LG for a unit wholesale price of around $650-700 each.
And I'm certain LG is still earning their own profits at that price.

This provides us a clue as to how much Apple's markup on their products is.

Also clues us into their corporate mindset regarding their customer base -- "stick 'em up!"

I'll take another guess and speculate that the orders on this one turned out to be A LOT FEWER than Apple anticipated.

I wonder if the new MacBook Pro's have been "priced up" similarly to the display?

Pure speculation on my part, but I'll reckon that they could cut the price of the entry-level touchbar model from $1,799 to $1,499, and STILL earn $300-400 profit on each unit sold...

Or Dell is coming out with new monitors at or near that price point. Just a thought
 
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