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Apple Drops Prices of 4K and 5K LG Displays by 25 Percent

BlueBubba said:
Pixel density isn't the only consideration, it has to be coupled with real estate. Some apps will be ridiculously tiny at 4k on a 21.5". I have a 32" Dell at 4k which is almost perfect, but sometimes text etc is too small, personally I would say 27" is the minimum for 4k, 24" at a push, but 21.5" I can't see how it would be good to view
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You are completely forgetting about scaling. Apple Retina displays (with a couple exceptions) ship at 200% scaling so for every former pixel there are now FOUR in its place. So 4K is exactly double 1920x1080 and 5k is exactly double 2560x1440. They can be used with different scaling but then you don't get the exact four-to-one scaling. To me 24" is the max for 1080 or 4K 200% scaled. I used to be sceptical till I went in a store and compared a 2560x1440 and 5K side-by-side. I pulled up the same website and immediately noticed how much easier I could read text on the 5K. Don't knock it till you try it.
 
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H2SO4 said:
You sound a little fixated on those graphics things? Having a 5K display doesn’t make it pro. It seems I’m not alone in this line of thinking.
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Last years Retina MacBook Pros were already capable to run almost everything the new ones can. There was never going to be a big boost in CPU performance coming with Skylake. The improvement was always to be expected in the graphics department, from not being able to run a 5K display to being able to run two 5K@60Hz simultaneously. Maybe you and everyone else should explain what kind of otherworldly capabilities you expected to 'make it pro'?

The rumors pointed directly to the machine we've got.​


Notice how he says there are no rumors indicating new iMacs, minis, Pros.​
 
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trifid said:
It's the ugliest lcd ever sponsored by Apple, that's a fact.
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Yeah but all the other Apple monitors were the best looking monitors at the time they were released IMO. So while yes, it's the ugliest one and I would've loved one taking queues from the ACD 27", at $975 for a 5k with a camera and speakers and such, it's actually competitively priced, which the ACDs weren't. You were really paying the Apple tax on those. I got my 24" on eBay used bc I couldn't justify the price lol.
 
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iBug2 said:
Is there any way to connect the 5k to a 2013 Mac Pro and get 60hz? I'm in the market for a 5K 27" display and the price of this one is extremely affordable now.
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Not to this 5K. You will need to find an MST 5K display and use two DisplayPort 1.2 cables.
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BlueBubba said:
Yes I know I have a few, whats the point in getting a 4k screen if your going to scale everything. Your not going to fit much on a 21.5" screen once its been scaled to a readable size either.
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The point is that only fonts and icons are scaled. Photos are displayed at the native resolution. So, if you edit photos, you benefit greatly from a higher-resolution monitor.
 
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AZ63 said:
Hmmm…
It would appear the word got back to Apple about their user base not being happy about being taken advantage of just for being a loyal Mac user.
So much for our friends out there saying that the complainers should just shut up or leave because complaining won't do any good.
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This doesn't affect Apple's bottom line. It's not even their product. All your whining to drop the prices on macbook pros just gets you a discount on monitors and dongles that no one wanted in the first place.
 
I expected at least a year, but now dropping $3300 this early has made me really worried...

To an extent. The way the MBP is selling, I highly doubt my worries are warranted.
 
BlueBubba said:
Yes I know I have a few, whats the point in getting a 4k screen if your going to scale everything. Your not going to fit much on a 21.5" screen once its been scaled to a readable size either.
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That's not the point of a 4K display. Like from iPad 2 to iPad 3, Apple doubled the resolution, they didn't start shipping an 20" tablet. It's really not a 3840 x 2160 display, it's a 1920 x 1080 super high quality display.
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Fishrrman said:
"The LG UltraFine 5K Display is now priced at $974, a $325 price cut from its original price of $1,299.95."

So... we must assume that Apple has chosen to reduce its profit margin by, say, 40-50%, on this one?
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No. LG has chosen to reduce its profit. It's not an Apple product, as indicated by the "LG" letters. It's not covered by Apple's manufacturer's warranty, but by LG's warranty. (If you buy in Europe in an Apple store, the _seller_ which would be Apple in this case is also responsible for the device working),
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Gudi said:
Of course not. Even with a Mac Pro you are limited to 4K@60Hz external, because of Thunderbolt 2. Before this became an Apple complainers forum, people shared actual information on what was needed to run an external 5K display. Why do you think we were waiting for new MacBook Pros? It's a little miracle they managed to do it with DisplayPort 1.2 standard on Skylake. Now the 15" MacBook Pro can run not one but two 5K@60Hz and people be like 'there is nothing Pro about this laptop anymore'. Ridiculous!

4K and 5K Display Buyer's Guide for Macs
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Thanks for that post. Before the new MBPs arrived, only the most expensive 15" model could run 1x 5K or 2x 4K at all, no 13" models and the two cheaper 15" models couldn't. Now all the 13" MBPs support 1x 5K or 2x 4K, and all the 15" MBPs support 2x 5K or 4x 4K. That's _huge_. Literally.

hajime said:
What is the point of buying 5K monitor now when the iPhone can only take 4K videos? Will the text be too small to see? I am a programmer.
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The sheer ignorance of this post from someone calling himself a programmer is mind-blowing. One: This is not about videos created with an iPhone. It's about editing videos created with a $2,000 or more expensive video camera. Two: A 4k monitor can display a 4k video, but no menubar, no tools, nothing else. You want a monitor that is _bigger_ than the video you are editing. Three: Have you ever used a MacBook or iMac with Retina display? If not, shut up. If yes, tell us whether you noticed that the text was too small or not.

malexandria said:
A 21 inch monitor that's $600? GTFO....
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A 21" monitor with a 4K display, twice the brightness and a greater color range than any other display on the market. $520 (not $600) isn't cheap, but it's price wise right in the middle of 4k monitors that have substantially less quality.
 
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BlueBubba said:
Yes I know I have a few, whats the point in getting a 4k screen if your going to scale everything. Your not going to fit much on a 21.5" screen once its been scaled to a readable size either.
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The point is sharper text and graphics while being able to adjust how much info on the screen. Not possible on a 21" 1080p monitor.
 
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H2SO4 said:
That’s exactly the one I’m hoping to get cheaply in the upcoming sales!!
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Hopefully image retention isn't a common issue (I have no idea) because it is an awesome monitor otherwise. I hooked up an Apple Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter on the outgoing Thunderbolt port so the monitor serves as a nice docking station at work (I don't need anything but USB and Ethernet).

The speakers are even pretty good. My only gripe aside from the retention issue is that the audio operates like HDMI. If you use the speakers inside or hook up audio through it you can't adjust the volume with the media keys from the keyboard. The knob on the bottom of the monitor is convenient enough though, but not ideal.
 
cult hero said:
Hopefully image retention isn't a common issue (I have no idea) because it is an awesome monitor otherwise. I hooked up an Apple Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter on the outgoing Thunderbolt port so the monitor serves as a nice docking station at work (I don't need anything but USB and Ethernet).

The speakers are even pretty good. My only gripe aside from the retention issue is that the audio operates like HDMI. If you use the speakers inside or hook up audio through it you can't adjust the volume with the media keys from the keyboard. The knob on the bottom of the monitor is convenient enough though, but not ideal.
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How old is the one you’re using if you don't mind me asking?
 
H2SO4 said:
How old is the one you’re using if you don't mind me asking?
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6 months? My CEO was using it and when he was out of town on business I wanted to try it out. He ended up just letting me keep it on my desk and got another one (the non-Thunderbolt version since he doesn't have a Mac anyway). I can't remember when he got it, but it couldn't have been longer than 6 months ago.

The curve as weird at first but after about 15 minutes I preferred it for something so wide.
 
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xWhiplash said:
To everyone complaining about the pricing of the new 15" laptops. Somebody linked this in a different thread: http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptop...00&PID=10078&acid=ww:affiliate:bv0as6&irgwc=1

Look at the base config. That is $2315.91 USD and the specs are a complete JOKE compared to the base 15" which is $2399 USD and has twice the RAM, and SSD, and a better resolution and probably way better battery life.
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Try using the US store, not your brexit infected one.

http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/p-series/p50/

$1,628.10
Intel Core i7-6820HQ processor (8MB Cache, Up to 3.6 Ghz)
NVIDIA Quadro M1000M 4GB
16GB DDR4-2133MHz SODIMM
256GB SSD + Install a 512GB Samsung 960 Pro for $330 for equal SSD speeds.

vs

The 15" Maccok Pro base + 512GB Disk at $2,599.00 (or £2,529.00 in the Uk store -> $3165.93)
 
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Gudi said:
Of course not. Even with a Mac Pro you are limited to 4K@60Hz external, because of Thunderbolt 2. Before this became an Apple complainers forum, people shared actual information on what was needed to run an external 5K display. Why do you think we were waiting for new MacBook Pros? It's a little miracle they managed to do it with DisplayPort 1.2 standard on Skylake. Now the 15" MacBook Pro can run not one but two 5K@60Hz and people be like 'there is nothing Pro about this laptop anymore'. Ridiculous!

4K and 5K Display Buyer's Guide for Macs
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You're the one who is sharing inaccurate information here. 5K @ 60Hz is possible with two Mini DisplayPort streams, that requires dual Mini DisplayPort or Thunderbolt cables. The Dell 5K display uses this method and works with 2014/2015 5K iMacs, 2015 15" Retina MacBook Pro, and Mac Pro (Late 2013).

Sure plugging in a single Thunderbolt 3/USB-C cable is a better solution, even one worth waiting for. But LG could have put in an option for Thunderbolt 2 compatibility for those who just bought a brand new 5K iMac and have to use the older standard.
 
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To be honest, I will probably will order the 5K display. Purely for the ease of use, I like that everything can go through one cable, and considering I will have the 15" Pro, I need power enough. Whilst I know there are plenty of USB-C displays on the market, I fear they will not give enough power.

Also something I just saw, the 27" Display has built in Speakers and a Camera, which I like (no need for a separate webcam sitting on top which is messy). The 21,5" has NO camera?! Could someone explain the logic here?
 
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I'm not complaining about the fact the prices dropped. I'm complaining because companies that launch really successful new products don't announce price cuts before some of them are even available for purchase.

As a 2013 Mac Pro workstation owner, I'm frankly disgusted that Apple never released a suitable 4K or 5K display to pair up with it. That should have happened close to day 1 of its release, really. Now, when they FINALLY announce a couple of updated monitors, they're so lazy about it, they just ask LG to market a couple of "designed for Apple" screens with no Apple logo on them. And the result is a 4K screen that's smaller than anything I'd bother with at this point, and a 5K that's a suitable size, but incompatible with a Mac Pro at native resolution.

This whole thing feels like they're expected people like me to just buy the overpriced new Macbook Pro laptop to run the new display and live with the limitations that would impose, like no more than 16GB of RAM and the inconvenience of no USB 2.0/3.0 ports. Not to mention the graphics card isn't as powerful as what's in my Pro workstation now.


TigerWoodsIV said:
The amount of complaining over a price drop is unreal to me. I also don't understand why everyone thinks this monitor is so hideous. It's not gorgeous, but it's not the ugliest monitor ever like a lot of people are saying. I'm probably going to pick it up at this price. It's not a bad price for a 5k and really all I need is a USB-A adapter then and maybe an HDMI if I want to watch something on my 50" TV.
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Ries said:
Try using the US store, not your brexit infected one.

http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/p-series/p50/

$1,628.10
Intel Core i7-6820HQ processor (8MB Cache, Up to 3.6 Ghz)
NVIDIA Quadro M1000M 4GB
16GB DDR4-2133MHz SODIMM
256GB SSD + Install a 512GB Samsung 960 Pro for $330 for equal SSD speeds.

vs

The 15" Maccok Pro base + 512GB Disk at $2,599.00 (or £2,529.00 in the Uk store -> $3165.93)
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RGB color gamut and brightness (300 nits vs 500 nits) are inferior on the Lenovo. So is the GPU (look up the 1000M scores compared to something like the GTX 960M, which is a reasonable comparison to the Radeon Pro 450 despite drawing 30 more watts). You're also stuck with desktop RAM, so forget about battery life comparisons. Additionally, you're going to need to buy a Samsung SM951 at 512GB in order to get similar disk speeds, not the 960 Pro...so $485 instead of $330, which means the Lenovo is at $2100. Weight of the Lenovo is 1.5 pounds higher. Then consider that the Lenovo doesn't have an option to get the jumbo size track pad, Touch ID and secure enclave chip, and Touch Bar. Not really looking like such a bargain.
 
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Gudi said:
Before this became an Apple complainers forum, people shared actual information
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Totally agree. I for one can't get much pleasure from complaining. I love new tech and sharing information and enthusiasm. Glad to see someone speaking up and let's stubbornly keep sharing good info.
 
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