Then I guess all of these allegedly highly skilled WFH employees aren’t really that valuable, huh? Can’t have it both ways.
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Then I guess all of these allegedly highly skilled WFH employees aren’t really that valuable, huh? Can’t have it both ways.
All the people saying they should cut their pay or fire them, it is obviously illegal to do so, so not an option.
This news is days old. I posted the same here last Thursday. see #283
If that were the case, you go to HR or your manager and see if they want to make a counter offer. If not, you take the new offer. That's a very one on one thing and doesn't require a mild rebellion with open letters, petitions and whatnot.
Apple becomes a one trillion dollar company by building products that allow people to communicate, work, and learn digitally via the internet. Apple employees asking to utilize the technology they build for the purpose it was built for is apparently something to do with "wokeness" according to you.
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Unlikely, the ones working from home are already highly productive so why promote them?
Being highly skilled has nothing to do with the direction of the company and what products they are choosing to pursue or how they are executing towards those goals.
Some of you don't realize how actual work works. See, you have this thing called an "employer" who sets the rules and pays you to do a job in the way that they prefer and have set up. You're certainly entitled to ask for things from them, but when you're repeatedly told no, that means no and stop asking. You see, these "employers" are your "boss" and have the final say in everything at your work.
You aren't talking about some computer tech who knows how to use Excel. These are hardware and software engineers of a level that only the Apples, Microsofts and Googles of the world can attract - the 6 figure types.
Many companies are simply making people come back to work "because they can" - regardless of the benefits of WFH. I don't know, maybe Apple just wants to justify the cost of their shiny new spacehip office donut.
Whiny people who want to WFH are not a protected class.
That’s like saying that all that Apple makes is iCloud… Facebook is sooo much bigger than Facebook.com. Facebook.com has changed the world plenty, as well as WhatsApp, Instagram, and Oculus.
On a personal note, I have been informed that I will have to be in the office on Tuesdays and Thursdays and can work remote 3 days a week.
Apple employees, those poor bastards.
Apple employees, those poor bastards.
Watch out or you'll get the "screw you entitled loser and eat the cost of commuting like everyone else! responses...
Working from home 100% has been my biggest boost in productivity ever, and it's also given me the opportunity hire the best people from anywhere this half of the world.
I know Apple just spent a bazillion dollars on their super cool spaceship, but remote work works and I think it's just a matter of time until it's the norm for conducting business.
I know Apple just spent a bazillion dollars on their super cool spaceship, but remote work works and I think it's just a matter of time until it's the norm for conducting business.
I lost my job during the pandemic (really great company, not). But when I did work for them I spent 1.5 hours/day commuting. Getting dressed up to sit in a cubicle now seems rather pointless. Luckily I found a remote position out of state and have no intentions of returning to an in-office everyday lifestyle. More time with kids, less gas, less miles on the car, less pollution... Apple is being very short-sighted on this.
If they refuse to come into work as required then Apple would be well within their rights to fire them.
Truth is in the next few years most will all be back in the office at all companies. Many companies intend full offices by Oct 1.
Remote work will be the exception not the rule. Also those that stay remote will have less participation/causal contact and promotion/raises going forward which is what most managers are saying. Imagine you are the only one on your team on zoom. Out the door you will eventually go.
Remote work will be the exception not the rule. Also those that stay remote will have less participation/causal contact and promotion/raises going forward which is what most managers are saying. Imagine you are the only one on your team on zoom. Out the door you will eventually go.
Some people unfortunately just want to call some corporation 'daddy' and do whatever they desire.
I disagree with your first paragraph. The employer presents the job. Someone accepts the job. Then someone feels entitled to change the job? Nope. They selfishly took the spot that someone actually wanted and was willing to work for.
BUT your second paragraph is dead on. Job was presented. You declined. Vote counted.
Eventually market forces do have their say if enough people vote like you did.
It's amazing the number of people that think that they are "highly skilled" but in actuality are not.
Not quite. If you look at the news outside Apple websites, many people from many different companies are quitting their jobs, rather than go back to the office. It's not a small thing going on now.
It depends on the company, job and department.
The norm will be back in the office fully within a few years with some flexible WFH policies, imo. It's my opinion that the people who WFH will eventually be left behind in many situations.