Apple Event Plans: New Products Coming in 2025

[BuddyTronic]

No offense, but I find the “media is bad, biased, etc.” criticism to be almost completely useless. It’s the laziest form of media criticism there is because it relies on a sort of nihilism - everything is biased and propaganda, so nothing really matters. When people say “the media” they are referring to a very large and very multifaceted industry. Are you talking about editorials? Podcasts? TV news? Local coverage?

There are very large organizations working everyday to shed light on real facts and real bias. Politifact is a good example I think. Is there a legitimate left-lean to a lot of news? Sure. But the answer isn’t to throw your hands up, it’s to go find some genuinely good right-leaning sources.

The news also will always depend on interpretation. It has to. That’s how we process the world. We rely on a narrative. Facts without the context are sort of meaningless. I could tell you that two planes hit two skyscrapers in NYC and be factually correct. That information doesn’t really mean a whole lot though without a larger narrative. It’s up to people to develop some basic media literacy.

Rant over.

No, I disagree. (And no offense taken, it’s good to discuss)

Who What When Where Why - these are the W5 of journalism I think. I can cut just about any story to shreds these days by simply asking the obvious questions that are being omitted 100% of the time. You can too.

Something funny is going on with reporting of current events and news. I guess it would be a huge opportunity right now for a new news channel to make a splash by showing that they are committed to unbiased coverage. THAT would be refreshing.

 

[wolfshades]

...And the ones going in with Apple are likely to be second rate anyway desperate enough to give Apple 50 percent.

I notice a lot of magazines and newspapers have embraced Apple’s 50 percent. There’s a reason for that. Yeah they are desperate, as are all of the print medias at the moment. Hard copy news and magazines are dying, and no one wants to pay individual subscriptions for individual magazines/newspapers.

So Apple is offering them their last gasp at staying alive and relevant. I don’t blame them for taking a profit cut to get in on this.

 

[sideshowuniqueuser]

Thanks turbineseaplane, appreciate it!

 

[8281]

No, I disagree. (And no offense taken, it’s good to discuss)

Who What When Where Why - these are the W5 of journalism I think. I can cut just about any story to shreds these days by simply asking the obvious questions that are being omitted 100% of the time. You can too.

Something funny is going on with reporting of current events and news. I guess it would be a huge opportunity right now for a new news channel to make a splash by showing that they are committed to unbiased coverage. THAT would be refreshing.

I think you’re letting perfection be the enemy of progress. Plenty of news outlets (I default to print coverage. Tv news isn’t really news as far as I’m concerned. Comedians like John Oliver often dig deeper into topics than tv pundits.) What you’re asking for isn’t really possible. The recent New Yorker story on Fox News and The White House was some great writing. Did it cover every possible angle? No, and how could it? The article would be a novel. And often reporters do write books about their stories. Bad Blood for example was written by the guy who broke the Theranos fraud at the Wall St Journal.

 

[BuddyTronic]

I think you’re letting perfection be the enemy of progress. Plenty of news outlets (I default to print coverage. Tv news isn’t really news as far as I’m concerned. Comedians like John Oliver often dig deeper into topics than tv pundits.) What you’re asking for isn’t really possible. The recent New Yorker story on Fox News and The White House was some great writing. Did it cover every possible angle? No, and how could it? The article would be a novel. And often reporters do write books about their stories. Bad Blood for example was written by the guy who broke the Theranos fraud at the Wall St Journal.

I think you have good examples of good journalism here, so I’ll check into these stories, and I’ll agree with you. Not every story has to be tainted. At least I hope not.

Without getting into details, I guess one of my beefs has been with particular stories talking about and referencing some things about Wikileaks, but completely ignoring what Wikileaks itself says about a story. It seems wrong to ignore the horses mouth. Additionally the journalists appear to be ignoring any of the possible motives of different groups and the consequences of their baloney stories if we were to accept that their fairy tales could be true

Sorry, what I’m saying doesn’t make much of a strong point here. I’m just saying there is a lot of baloney out there

 

[georgB]

I think you’re letting perfection be the enemy of progress.

To get back to the OT - As far as Apple's hardware is concerned, this event, and too many like it, are too light on progress. Progress they should be making on Macs is missing, although it's long overdue. And why is it overdue? Because the Macs they've been making these past several years haven't incorporated either the perfection or the progress Macs once stood for.

Still, I've got to vent on the news outlets comments (and I'm prepared for the blowback). I'm really sick and tired of this "fake news" trope which has become the mode. Yes, there's a lot of crap, including half-truths and untruths, that's published in a lot of media. But there's still a lot which is reliably accurate. The news stories (and I'm only referring to them, not to editorials or opinion pieces; those are not inaccurate, but they clearly reflect a point of view, not the whole possible spectrum of views) in the Washington Post, the New York Times, and The Economist (to name just a few) contain verifiable facts. What they say is trustworthy - and when they've erred, they've printed corrections. Stories published in the New Yorker are reliable enough, but their editorial bias is often present in the choice of what they run. John Oliver's a good example of another kind of reliable source of news. He'll take a poke at whatever needs poking. Clearly, what he chooses to poke reflects his values and opinions, but his pokes are always justified.

 

[8281]

To get back to the OT - As far as Apple's hardware is concerned, this event, and too many like it, are too light on progress. Progress they should be making on Macs is missing, although it's long overdue. And why is it overdue? Because the Macs they've been making these past several years haven't incorporated either the perfection or the progress Macs once stood for.

Still, I've got to vent on the news outlets comments (and I'm prepared for the blowback). I'm really sick and tired of this "fake news" trope which has become the mode. Yes, there's a lot of crap, including half-truths and untruths, that's published in a lot of media. But there's still a lot which is reliably accurate. The news stories (and I'm only referring to them, not to editorials or opinion pieces; those are not inaccurate, but they clearly reflect a point of view, not the whole possible spectrum of views) in the Washington Post, the New York Times, and The Economist (to name just a few) contain verifiable facts. What they say is trustworthy - and when they've erred, they've printed corrections. Stories published in the New Yorker are reliable enough, but their editorial bias is often present in the choice of what they run. John Oliver's a good example of another kind of reliable source of news. He'll take a poke at whatever needs poking. Clearly, what he chooses to poke reflects his values and opinions, but his pokes are always justified.

I agree with what you’ve wrote. Sure, there’s junk published all the time, but good journalism still exists.

 

[BuddyTronic]

I agree with what you’ve wrote. Sure, there’s junk published all the time, but good journalism still exists.

Verifiable facts? Nope. It’s just as verifiable as “chemical weapons” factories in Iraq were in early the 2000’s. That was NOT anything factual. I think people have forgotten how badly we have been lied to over the years. Journalists who simply report what they are told, and who are coached to slant their stories are not even journalists anymore. It’s obvious if you just look at the piles of assumptions and lies that have become verifiable facts in the audiences minds. Not facts at all.

If Apple is announcing a news service and it is simply repackaging existing big name news company stuff, it might be profitable, but that’s all it is. There is a real need for unbiased news I’d say - no idea if it will come, but Wow it would really shine a light on how Orwellian this world has become.

 

[georgB]

Verifiable facts? Nope. It’s just as verifiable as “chemical weapons” factories in Iraq were in early the 2000’s. That was NOT anything factual.

Just a minute. At the time, all 16 of our U.S. intelligence agencies thought they were there, and what the papers actually reported was not that they, the papers, established that the WMD were there, but that these sources said they were there. The most responsible journalists can’t be expected to know more than the intelligence agencies, and especially not when there was no dissenting source. And it turned out it wasn’t even a lie, but, even more embarrasingly for our government (not the papers), it was plain bad intelligence.

Journalists who simply report what they are told, and who are coached to slant their stories are not even journalists anymore

True, and there are surely such “journalists”, just as there are such bloggers, who will massage any event, any story, sometimes completely out of shape, in order to put the spin on it that suits whatever purpose they have. Indeed, you say yourself thaey’re “not even journalists anymore”. But that’s not responsible journalism, nor an accurate description of the journalists working for responsible journals. They check, they investigate, and the only facts they report are those that stand up to scrutiny. And such journals and journalists exist. The fake news is that they don't.

 

[BuddyTronic]

Just a minute. At the time, all 16 of our U.S. intelligence agencies thought they were there, and what the papers actually reported was not that they, the papers, established that the WMD were there, but that these sources said they were there. The most responsible journalists can’t be expected to know more than the intelligence agencies, and especially not when there was no dissenting source. And it turned out it wasn’t even a lie, but, even more embarrasingly for our government (not the papers), it was plain bad intelligence.



True, and there are surely such “journalists”, just as there are such bloggers, who will massage any event, any story, sometimes completely out of shape, in order to put the spin on it that suits whatever purpose they have. Indeed, you say yourself thaey’re “not even journalists anymore”. But that’s not responsible journalism, nor an accurate description of the journalists working for responsible journals. They check, they investigate, and the only facts they report are those that stand up to scrutiny. And such journals and journalists exist. The fake news is that they don't.

I think what you say is sensible, and I think we see each other’s point. It is not fair for me to say “there are no more journalists”. I just know that I don’t know much these days for absolute sure.

 

[iPadCary]

I don't think I'll even bother watching it.

Don't. Do yourself that favor. I won't be watching it, either.
Why?
Because when you see the post-event new product's webpage,
the copy will be literally word-for-word verbatim
of what whoever was on stage introing the product said.

Plus, of course, the videos on the new product's webpage
will be the same exact ones shown at the event, too.

 

[cardfan]

I agree with what you’ve wrote. Sure, there’s junk published all the time, but good journalism still exists.

Almost every article I read is slanted. Much of the time it’s subtle from the adjectives used to the writer throwing in his own narrative. Textbooks, tv shows you name it. I’m not sure there is any such thing as unbiased in this world.

That said, a free press is always better than the alternative. To keep declaring fake news is scary for where that may lead to. Instead I would push journalists to police themselves and promote higher standards. They should credential themselves like cpas and lawyers do. A blogger with no experience, education, or credentials should never be able to be seen as a journalist. Those lines have been blurred for a long time.

 

[8281]

Almost every article I read is slanted. Much of the time it’s subtle from the adjectives used to the writer throwing in his own narrative. Textbooks, tv shows you name it. I’m not sure there is any such thing as unbiased in this world.

That said, a free press is always better than the alternative. To keep declaring fake news is scary for where that may lead to. Instead I would push journalists to police themselves and promote higher standards. They should credential themselves like cpas and lawyers do. A blogger with no experience, education, or credentials should never be able to be seen as a journalist. Those lines have been blurred for a long time.

Press credentials are a thing already. You can’t just walk up to the White House and demand to report on a story because you have a blog. And I’m pretty sure they do police themselves for the most part. Legitimate news sites will publish corrections or retractions. That’s how you can tell if they are legitimate or not, or at least one of the ways.

 

[boxrick]

This will be the first Apple Event that I could care less about. There's no way in the world that I would ever pay any amount of money to subscribe to those fake news outlets and it will be quite sometime before Apple can compete with Netflix, so I'll probably take a nap or clean out my sock drawer on March 25.

Do you not mean, couldn't care any less about?

 

[MadMacs99]

“I don’t like what they report so it’s not news.”

Whom are you quoting here? If this is your own comment it should not be in quotations.

 

[ScottRwn]

Translation:
Fluff.
Fluff.
Emojis.
Reheated leftovers.

So nothing for professional computer users yet again.
What a surprise.

Meanwhile, my new hackintosh is working like a powerhouse dream.

LOL, I just converted my wife's PC into a Hackintosh. And meanwhile, at my job in Marketing, we are LOVING our new custom build PC's. Our old 2013 trashcans are collecting dust. Goodbye Apple. It's been fun.

 

[MadMacs99]

it is post PC era lately. I can do most of the things I used to do on my PC with my iPad now.

I agree that you can do what most people used a computer for on a phone or tablet (web browsing, e-mail, chat). But it is still easier and faster to do those things on a computer. Not to mention there are still things a computer can do that mobile devices can't.
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it relies on a sort of nihilism

I don't think that word means what you think it means. Do you really mean to say that media criticism relies on a sort of rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless?

 

[8281]

I agree that you can do what most people used a computer for on a phone or tablet (web browsing, e-mail, chat). But it is still easier and faster to do those things on a computer. Not to mention there are still things a computer can do that mobile devices can't.
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I don't think that word means what you think it means. Do you really mean to day that media criticism relies on a sort of rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless?

Did you pull that straight from dictionary.com? And I mean in an existential way, claiming all media is corrupt and bias is akin to saying that essentially nothing matters and the actions of the individual entities that comprise the media are meaningless if they are all in fact corrupt. Trump for instance says all the time that so what if he lies and cheats, everyone does. That statement is a lie itself of course, but the idea is to undermine any sense of objective reality. Truth is meaningless.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

Do you not mean, couldn't care any less about?

Good one. You got me!

 

[applemumba]

This is the perfect storm for apple to finally reveal another game changer product. The real apple TV.

As there has been no leaks, rumours etc it will be similar to Steve Jobs iPhone announcement. No one was expecting it.

https://twitter.com/VenyaGeskin1/st...ld.co.uk/news/apple/apple-television-3375319/

 

[az431]

Translation:
Fluff.
Fluff.
Emojis.
Reheated leftovers.

So nothing for professional computer users yet again.
What a surprise.

Meanwhile, my new hackintosh is working like a powerhouse dream.

Professional users don’t use hackintoshes, nor do they pirate operating systems to save a few bucks on hardware.
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This is the perfect storm for apple to finally reveal another game changer product. The real apple TV.

As there has been no leaks, rumours etc it will be similar to Steve Jobs iPhone announcement. No one was expecting it.

https://twitter.com/VenyaGeskin1/status/897741302573535232?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^897741302573535232&ref_url=https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple/apple-television-3375319/

Won’t happen. I wouldn’t even hold my breath for a decent AppleTV remote.
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Did you pull that straight from dictionary.com? And I mean in an existential way, claiming all media is corrupt and bias is akin to saying that essentially nothing matters and the actions of the individual entities that comprise the media are meaningless if they are all in fact corrupt. Trump for instance says all the time that so what if he lies and cheats, everyone does. That statement is a lie itself of course, but the idea is to undermine any sense of objective reality. Truth is meaningless.

Everyone does lie and cheat, what differs among people is the frequency and extent of the lying and cheating.
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LOL, I just converted my wife's PC into a Hackintosh. And meanwhile, at my job in Marketing, we are LOVING our new custom build PC's. Our old 2013 trashcans are collecting dust. Goodbye Apple. It's been fun.

Goodbye Apple, yet you still use MacOS.

 

[ipedro]

While everyone is focusing on what Apple News and Apple TV will look on iPhones, iPads and on TV, it’s worth considering what these partnerships with news organizations and TV networks will mean for other parts of Apple’s ecosystem.

These news sources will enrich the information that Siri has access to. Asking HomePod for the news of the day will be able to pull from what’s in Apple News. Asking Siri what’s on TV will now have access to richer information. Siri could search the millions of pages of magazines for answers to pop culture questions.

I’m not sure we’ll see all of that on Monday but the ramifications of this wealth of new content are going to keep expanding well after the event. I think we’ll see a hint of that when iOS 13 is announced at WWDC but more subtly in how HomePod is updated to take advantage of Apple News and TV.

 

[jeremiah256]

While everyone is focusing on what Apple News and Apple TV will look on iPhones, iPads and on TV, it’s worth considering what these partnerships with news organizations and TV networks will mean for other parts of Apple’s ecosystem.

These news sources will enrich the information that Siri has access to. Asking HomePod for the news of the day will be able to pull from what’s in Apple News. Asking Siri what’s on TV will now have access to richer information. Siri could search the millions of pages of magazines for answers to pop culture questions.

I’m not sure we’ll see all of that on Monday but the ramifications of this wealth of new content are going to keep expanding well after the event. I think we’ll see a hint of that when iOS 13 is announced at WWDC but more subtly in how HomePod is updated to take advantage of Apple News and TV.

Apple has made several hiring and acquisition moves in the AI field, so I hope you're right. That said, news wise, there are sources I trust, those I'm neutral on, and those I never want to be part of my stream. A news empowered Siri is fine, but I am curious if Apple will acknowledge that users want to control over the sources in their streams. Windows users, for example, might not want their tech news feeds dominated by Apple news, even if WWDC is the main story of the week.

 

[ipedro]

Apple has made several hiring and acquisition moves in the AI field, so I hope you're right. That said, news wise, there are sources I trust, those I'm neutral on, and those I never want to be part of my stream. A news empowered Siri is fine, but I am curious if Apple will acknowledge that users want to control over the sources in their streams. Windows users, for example, might not want their tech news feeds dominated by Apple news, even if WWDC is the main story of the week.

I think that there’s an obvious solution to that. Apple News knows who you are and what sources of news you follow. When you ask it for news, it’ll select based on what sources you usually read. If you read a lot of Windows related news, it’ll show you that.

You won’t have to manually set this up. You’ll just use Apple News and it’ll learn. In fact, it already does that in the app. If Siri starts reading this news to you on HomePod for example, it’ll take what it has already learned from you.

 

[jeremiah256]

I think that there’s an obvious solution to that. Apple News knows who you are and what sources of news you follow. When you ask it for news, it’ll select based on what sources you usually read. If you read a lot of Windows related news, it’ll show you that.

You won’t have to manually set this up. You’ll just use Apple News and it’ll learn. In fact, it already does that in the app. If Siri starts reading this news to you on HomePod for example, it’ll take what it has already learned from you.

When I set up Apple News, I intentionally set it up to be very tech heavy with regard to what I'm following. Opening the app, the top story is about March Madness (American college basketball finals). Not too upset about it, but definitely should not be at the top story on my page. I'd guess it's probably due to my having the NY Times as a source, but again, that is one out of a dozen sources and I'd like the ability to fine tune or weigh how much a single news source influences my feed.