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I get that this is a new paradigm of “spatial computing” where your environment itself is essentially the new “desktop”. But no one who brings up “MacOS” is really talking about that.

Again, show me a number of people who are confusing this. Simply saying "you can run multiple monitors" doesn't mean they are referring to mirrored Mac os displays.

If I run a 3 monitor setup on my Mac, and on one I run Safari, on one I run Numbers, and on one I run Final Cut Pro...I can absolutely run that same setup on the AVP. And, I wouldn't even NEED to be mirroring my mac.
 
And then slightly more, and slightly more…

I get that this is a new paradigm of “spatial computing” where your environment itself is essentially the new “desktop”. But no one who brings up “MacOS” is really talking about that.

They are wondering about using the Vision Pro as surrogate monitors, especially as an alternative to buying multiple $1500 displays. This isn’t possible. If this is what someone wants from the AVP, it is important that they are well-informed about what it can or can not do.
You're wasting your time trying to explain anything to that person. Everyone else understands what people mean when they talk about using their three monitor setup on a plane or using Vision Pro to virtualize three displays. Just not that guy.

These threads are actually a lot better when you add the 3 or 4 Vision Pro fanatics to your ignore list!
 
Yes, and the mac "monitor" can be resized to any scale and have muliple mac apps windowed inside of it if so desired. Options galore.
You make it sound as if you can just resize the Mac "monitor" bigger so you can fit more Mac apps inside it. Not sure if that's what you meant, but I don't think it works that way.

The Mac Virtual Display is limited to 4K. Resizing/scaling just makes the virtual Mac "monitor" bigger or smaller. You could have a 24-inch 4K virtual display in front of you, or you could have a 10-foot 4K virtual display in front of you. A 10' virtual display will not be able to hold more Mac apps than a 24" virtual display since they'll both have the same 4K resolution and exact same real estate.
 
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Think of it more as a sales pitch. Companies usually don’t charge for sales pitches. I’d guess there’s at least one company that does charge, which is why I used “usually”.
I doubt they will charge. They don't need the money and they want people to experience it and spread the news. They are really going to have to do everything right for this tech to stick.
 
Outside of Apple, absolutely nobody knows exactly what "a prescription" means. I have one prescription for my regular glasses, one for reading glasses I use with my Mac, and to top off the mystery, my vision is perfect up to around 12 inches. I read books, my iPhone, and other things in my hand with no glasses. Do I even need a prescription? I chatted with an agent at Apple and they concluded: "Just have to wait and see how it works when pre orders start next Friday!"

Next Friday is going to be chaos.
 
BUT...for example, I buy cheap progressive readers on Amazon. Are these "readers" they are selling progressive or bi-focal? And, are you CERTAIN we don't need prescriptions? I wish Apple would be explicit about this.
Agree. I just need the readers....and I am not going to an optometrist for that.
 
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Apple today provided customers in the U.S. with some tips for pre-ordering the Vision Pro starting next Friday, January 19 at 5 a.m. Pacific Time.

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I have a distance, reading, and a progressive prescription. Does anyone know which would be submitted for the lenses?
 
I get that this confusion on prescriptions is all part of being an early adopter. :)

But, it seems like Apple could put out a short video with an optometrist explaining the details.

I'm sure by Feb 9th, all these details will be well discussed here and elsewhere.
 
90% of people over 40 need some kind of glasses, so that means mostly younger people with uncorrected vision will be the first users.
I'm over 40. I wear contacts. Sometimes it's harder to focus at typical smartphone distance, but I have no issues focusing in VR while wearing contacts.
Maybe most people over 40 need vision correction of some sort, but most people over 40 don't regularly wear glasses. The focus distance of the Vision Pro should be further than the typical reading distance.
My question to Apple will be: What precise distance should the Rx lens prescription be for? Currently reading, computer and distance are all different scripts for me. Presumably AVP will optimize at yet a different distance.
Likely in the 1 to 2 meter range.
Received Apple email. I will definitely be purchasing one. Ready Player One here. If you were one of the few to try this early, truly amazing! Ground breaking technology. Billion dollar product. Everyone needs to purchase Apple stock now (AAPL), if you have not already.

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This says that you need to upload the prescription "after checkout," so no one has to worry about figuring it out as they rush to preorder.
I have this question also. Guessing it is reading distance since that is where the displays are. One would need an Rx if astigmatism needs correcting at reading distances, otherwise appropriate readers.
The physical displays are like an inch from your eyes. That's not reading distance. What is important is where the built-in lenses adjust the focus distance to. And that's typically in the 1 to 2 meter range for VR headsets. And the Vision Pro is fundamentally a VR headset.
But, I'd still need to know if these are bifocal or progressive. It seems to me that bifocal really woudn't work in the format, and that they'd have to be progressive. But with progressives I order differently; I order stronger than I need at the bottom so that just above the bottom my reading is ideal.

The point being, Apple isn't giving us enough information.
You won't want any kind of multi-focal lens. You'll want to use the prescription that works best in the 1 to 2 meter range.
I have a distance prescription, a reading prescription, and a progressive prescription. Does anyone know which would be submitted for the lenses?
See above.
 
Again, you're conflating things. Sure, you can litter your room with lots of native Vision Pro app windows, but that is not the same thing as virtualizing Mac displays. It's also a moot point if the apps you need aren't available as native Vision Pro apps. You can display a single virtual Mac screen. I'm sure that screen can be scaled (and, with it, all objects on the screen), but you're not going to be able to make the Mac screen bigger resolution-wise.

You make it sound as if you can just resize the Mac "monitor" bigger so you can fit more Mac apps inside it. Not sure if that's what you meant, but I don't think it works that way.

The Mac Virtual Display is limited to 4K. Resizing/scaling just makes the virtual Mac "monitor" bigger or smaller. You could have a 24-inch 4K virtual display in front of you, or you could have a 10-foot 4K virtual display in front of you. A 10' virtual display will not be able to hold more Mac apps than a 24" virtual display since they'll both have the same 4K resolution and exact same real estate.
4K is actually going to be a marketing term here. There is no set resolution to any "monitor" (all are virtual) that is placed in virtual environment. The only true resolution is set by the two individual eye displays themselves. Those are each "4K" and in tandem, create the only true resolution for the system. Those have a set resolution. Any virtual monitor set within that space can be sized to whatever scale the user wants, but this doesn't change the amount of pixels allocated to it especially when you involve foveated rendering. It truly is a new paradigm and discussing it in classical monitor terms is not applicable.
 
You won't want any kind of multi-focal lens. You'll want to use the prescription that works best in the 1 to 2 meter range.

So, a single, solid magnification? Distance doesn't matter on the device? If I'm looking "through" to the passthrough of my room, that doesn't require a different focal point than if I'm looking at something a foot away? Fascinating if true, but beyond my understanding of how that would work.

IF this is the way it works...then wouldn't an optometrist need to know this before they give anyone a prescription? Many people have some level of progressive in their prescription, because they are living in the real world where depth matters and is seen differently.

So, this confuses me. Apple has asked people for a valid prescription, with no caveats. They haven't said "within the 1-2 meter range."

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The more I think about this, I guess it would make sense that if I'm watching a movie on a theater screen, I only need to be able to see well where the screen is located; I don't need to adjust for distance inside the screen. Right (I don't have problems seeing things far away, so maybe I just don't know how that works).
 
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So, a single, solid magnification? Distance doesn't matter on the device? If I'm looking "through" to the passthrough of my room, that doesn't require a different focal point than if I'm looking at something a foot away? Fascinating if true, but beyond my understanding of how that would work.

IF this is the way it works...then wouldn't an optometrist need to know this before they give anyone a prescription? Many people have some level of progressive in their prescription, because they are living in the real world where depth matters and is seen differently.

So, this confuses me. Apple has asked people for a valid prescription, with no caveats. They haven't said "within the 1-2 meter range."
You're looking at two flat 2D screens through two fixed-focus lens systems. If the Vision Pro were capable of adjusting focus dynamically, you wouldn't need vision correction at all, except maybe for astigmatism, because it could just be calibrated to each user and dynamically adjusted by the headset itself.

Even if you give Apple a multi-focal prescription, they will use that to determine what fixed-focal lenses you will need.

If you search for "VR prescription lenses" the sites that sell them ask for your distance prescription.
 
I get that this confusion on prescriptions is all part of being an early adopter. :)

But, it seems like Apple could put out a short video with an optometrist explaining the details.

I'm sure by Feb 9th, all these details will be well discussed here and elsewhere.
By February 9th you'll be waiting at least 6 months for your Vision Pro order to be fulfilled.
 
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