Eso
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They aren’t called monitors. They are rounded-rectangle UI elements that display the content of an individual app, which everyone would call a “window”.
Apple officially calls these windows as well in the developer documentation.
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Apple officially calls these windows as well in the developer documentation.
Yes, and the mac "monitor" can be resized to any scale and have muliple mac apps windowed inside of it if so desired. Options galore.
Timo_Existencia
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Who has said differently? There's a whole chorus of naysayers bringing this issue up over and over and over again, suggesting that lots of people are saying this. Everytime I ask for links showing the "lots of people saying this" I get no response.
deepspacecowboy
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When people talk about virtual displays, they are referring to monitors, ie: wanting to replace a three monitor desktop setup with virtual displays. This is not possible.
You are conflating monitors with app windows. There's a big difference and many unanswered questions. Will Vision Pro apps support multiple windows like the Mac, for example? Or will Vision Pro apps be more like iPad apps that are restricted to one window? Or do Vision Pro apps need "windows" at all?
Yes, a single Mac display can be brought into Vision Pro (basically AirPlay) and of course that Mac display can have multiple Mac windows within that single display frame. Multiple displays are not possible. A single Mac display and multiple Vision Pro app windows, yes. Multiple Mac displays, no.
Not really. Crazy powerful would be multiple virtual monitors, but that's just not technically possible with 4K resolution and bandwidth limitations. Vision Pro would need a Thunderbolt port and a physically connection to a Mac in order to make that possible. Ultimately this comes down to native apps. If developers just take their iPad apps and tweak the interfaces, that won't be very impressive.
deepspacecowboy
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Many people have said they want to replace their three monitor setup with Vision Pro or use their three monitor setup on a plane, when traveling, etc. Such comments have been all over the forums since the Vision Pro was announced. Of course these are people reading into things as such a feature was never announced.
Eso
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Sure. A monitor typically displays a desktop within which windows are displayed. There’s also UI that allows one to switch between one window and another within the desktop.
The virtual Mac monitor is a desktop, the other views are windows. You can quickly switch to a different app within the Mac desktop to and it will appear in that same physical position.
You can not do that with the others, since they themselves are windows. To switch apps, you would have to look at a different view. In vision OS terms, opening 10 apps means having 10 “monitors” all around you.
Timo_Existencia
macrumors 68000
I think you're being too clever by half.
In this environment, there is functionally no difference between a "display" and a "window."
And, of course, this is not a Mac. It's a Vision Pro running Vision OS.
You can run a window that shows whatever you're working on on your mac. You can run a window running Final Cut pro. You can run a window running Logic Pro. You can run a window running Apple Pages. You can run a window running Apple Numbers. You can run a window running Apple Keynote. You can run a window running Apple Freeform.
...and I've never seen anyone clamin anything different. If you have links to 3 or 4 examples, please share them.
deepspacecowboy
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Timo_Existencia
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And depending on what Apps they use, the absolutely CAN replace their three monitor setup.
Timo_Existencia
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To switch apps, you'd have to look slightly to the left, right, up or down. Arguably faster than you can do in the mac window. And the "desktop" is the entire view, where you can pull up unopened apps.
There's no there to this discussion. It's manufactured. As I keep asking, show me an example of 3 or 4 people who are actually confused about this.
deepspacecowboy
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And I think you're just being deliberately obtuse about any criticism of the precious Vision Pro.
People are talking about using the Vision Pro to display multiple Mac monitors. There are numerous posts on this and other sites where people specifically state a desire to replace their three monitor desktop setup with Vision Pro. This is NOT going to happen.
Those people are not talking about native Vision Pro app windows. They are talking about virtualizing multiple Mac displays. And that is not possible.
MarkNewton2023
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This coming up pre-ordering is so exciting despite I will not order one. I do hope all interested parties will get it. Good luck! Keep calm and be happy on whatever outcome! 😊 Life is too short to be unhappy on anything. 😊 I am interested to see what preordering experience will tell.
deepspacecowboy
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Timo_Existencia
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Please show me 3 or 4 examples of this. You can search "multiple mac monitors" if you like.
Timo_Existencia
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And here again, we have a thread that should be about those of us who are preparing to order the device, and it's being hijacked by those who simply want to complain about the AVP, by creating confusion and drama where none exists.
deepspacecowboy
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You seem to watch every Vision Pro thread like a hawk, so either you're oblivious or being deliberately obtuse. This has been brought up many times. Here's just one example. I'm not going to waste my time playing games with you.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...riously-consider-vision.2391811/post-32228115
They can indeed replace multiple physical displays, and position them at any scale within a virtual environment and combine those with the display from any supported Mac, which can itself show mutiple windows within that frame (at any size).
Timo_Existencia
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Right. You can find an example. I asked for 3 or 4 because you and others are claiming, essentially, that this misunderstanding is rampant. It's not.
deepspacecowboy
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And here's another, just in case:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...r-spotted-in-wwdc-video.2392373/post-32242277
Eso
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And then slightly more, and slightly more…
I get that this is a new paradigm of “spatial computing” where your environment itself is essentially the new “desktop”. But no one who brings up “MacOS” is really talking about that.
They are wondering about using the Vision Pro as surrogate monitors, especially as an alternative to buying multiple $1500 displays. This isn’t possible. If this is what someone wants from the AVP, it is important that they are well-informed about what it can or can not do.
Timo_Existencia
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He's talking about simply displaying 3 different 49" monitors, or displays, or windows. Which you absolutely can do.
He does not say you can run 3 virtual displays from your mac.
Which is your complaint. Pointing out that some people say "monitor" for "window" or "display" doesn't prove your point. People are using those terms interchangeably for the Vision OS. As they are free to do. Because to me, that window running Numbers and that other window running Final Cut Pro are the equivalent of "monitors" to me.
This is a silly argument.
deepspacecowboy
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Again, you're conflating things. Sure, you can litter your room with lots of native Vision Pro app windows, but that is not the same thing as virtualizing Mac displays. It's also a moot point if the apps you need aren't available as native Vision Pro apps. You can display a single virtual Mac screen. I'm sure that screen can be scaled (and, with it, all objects on the screen), but you're not going to be able to make the Mac screen bigger resolution-wise.
deepspacecowboy
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Well it seems that, in your mind, anything other than glowing praise is an argument, so I'm not surprised by your inability (unwillingness?) to understand this.
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