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Apple Faces Another iPhone Lawsuit Over 'Programmed Obsolescence'
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Don’t iOS update downloads happen automatically in older versions of iOS? Surely you can’t expect the average iPhone owner to understand the whole TV beta profile trick???
Then the developer needs to rewrite some code, I have plenty of apps that the developer just decided to no longer update anything.....that's the interesting thing with software in general. A developer can just decide to abandon it and it works till it stops because of OS issues.
I think you're unable to recognise the dependencies, based on lack of knowledge maybe, dunno.
Or if you are, then simply tell it does not care you, that would be at least honest.
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There are many Apps which depends on third party frameworks, which needs to be updated.
E.g. if i build an App with OneDrive/Twitter, put any SaaS framework here, then MS decide to block the access from this older framework version, e.g. because of a security flaw. On iPhone 5/5s/6 this App would stop working from April 2021 upward.
Yeah that clearly sucks... ( saying that as a German who works in the car industry )
I recognize the dependancies jut fine. My work iPhone is running iOS12....because we are not allowed to update them...They are company property and they work for company needs just fine. I also understand that there are times when a developer must throw out the old code and start over because there has been too many years of patching and now the whole thing is just a bastardized pile of code. As a developer, you can keep making changes for only so long. If you still have carryover code from 32 bit and it is in the way of you making the app run optimally in 64 bit. The OS Apple, Microsoft, etc is not obligated to keep updating their patches so that you are a developer can continue to run obsolete code.....I can assure you that I am not trying to be an ass...Technology especially these days moves fast and as a suppler to it (hardware or software) you need to keep up.
Standard product life cycle is 5 years.
It becomes a nightmare to try to be backwards compatible for so long.
Apple has been providing updates and upgrades for many years, but there’s a limit. For example you can’t have ML on an iPhone 4, so it doesn’t support an iOS release that depends on it.
What about iphone 2 and 3G? There is a practical limit to hardware life and software life. Iphone 5 is a 32 bit chip. iphone 5s is still supported with ios 12, which is still receiving updates. And my 7 year old 5s being on ios 12 can run all current apps that are within the capacity of the hardware.
But the utility of my now 11 year old iphone 4 is coming to a close.
Check out Stellantis, another corporation based in The Netherlands.
Sure technology moves fast, and thats great.
But it's not a reason to cut off perfectly working devices, which could find usage in other scenarios, or countries with worse economy.
It must be up to the developer to decide if it worth updating his App, as it's up to Apple to decide if it worth updating iOS up to a point, but Apple is enforcing programmed obsolesce that way.
I am surprised to hear that...or should I not be..I am a car guy, have always been. of al types, makes and models and some of the car industry makes me sad. I love Porsche and the older BMW 2002Ti. So then you should see how the tech moves in the car world. Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, etc...they all require "special" dealer tools to fix certain things....these tools are not available for sale to anybody other than factory dealers. There is certain functionality needed in scan tools to diagnose or repair those cars...it's only available to dealers. Almost only dealers can fix the self braking things because you need a $40k test set up and it requires a 30' x 30' open space...and if you don't align the lasers perfectly and the car does not self stop to avoid and accident, you better have mad crazy insurance, because you will be sued.
So how are EA writing the likes of the Real Racing 3 update that I got a couple of hours ago thats compatible with iOS9+ on an iPhone 5s ?
I think a lot of it is consumer driven....Apple competes heavily for marketshare against Samsung, and Google here in US. I don't know about in Europe, but in Asia they are competing against Huawei, Xiaomi, etc. As each one flashes out crazy new features consumers all run around...I need that, I want that....but never use more than 10% of the features, so the companies are scrambling to get new features out ...fast! Everybody wants super fast, super light, battery lasts for days running a 120hz refresh screen, finger print scanner, etc...you get my point.
And why is 32Bit so bad? It's still perfectly fine for *A LOT* of things.
The 32/64bit cut was just another Apple pretext to drive customers to buy a newer iDevice.
The same they will do with Intel/ARM soon, and I will wonder if people will simply accept the punch.
Again iPhone <=6 was just set to die soon, because there will be no way for a developer to keep updating Apps for it. https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=itpt8dkc
Starting April 2021, all iOS and iPadOS apps submitted to the App Store must be built with Xcode 12 and the iOS 14 SDK.
iOS badly needs sideloading and iOS rollback support, it's the only way to stop that digital mafia.
I agree, maybe sometimes keep that older "perfectly working" device and just use it for the, the game that are not handling updates well and then just use a new one for all of the rest. Or t least make sure the old devices and correctly e-recycled. there is a LOT of money on precious metals in them that recyclers salvage.
The App Store already lets you download the latest version that works with your OS. Just because you have FOMO a new update does not mean Apple is forcing people to upgrade phones which work well for them.
I do get what you mean, on my iphone4S with iOS5.1 neither the iOS Weather or iOS YouTube apps work, but I have a different weather app for the former and safari for the latter. That’s ok, i use it to play podcasts for my birds. My iPhone 5 with ios9 works perfectly well despite apple’s planned obsolescence.
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This is not an unprecedented investigation and I doubt that the Portuguese are going to be more inquisitive than anyone else before them. After all this time it just seems like a desperate money grab from an institution that profits almost exclusively from levying fines. I can't imagine even caring about a 7 year old phone at this moment. it just makes it even more laughable. I wonder what country is going to be late to the party on this one.
I still use iPhone 5s and am surprised it receives updates and actually, it's pretty ok.
Why other companies don't get sued for selling devices with outdated OS? I can still see devices being sold with Android 9 and it's pretty much out of date and you can't get Android 10 or later. Nobody barks at them.
Why other companies don't get sued for selling devices with outdated OS? I can still see devices being sold with Android 9 and it's pretty much out of date and you can't get Android 10 or later. Nobody barks at them.
The same thing happened with 68K/PPC, CISC/RISC, Motorola/Intel, and OS9/OS X. Change happens in technology, if you don’t like it just keep using the old tech.
You mean the latest version that "worked" with your OS, not that "works" with your OS.
I still have a iP4s in the drawer, Apps that permanently broke got pulled by their devs, simply because they not allowed to support them anymore. I can't even download them anymore, they show up with a "empty default template" icon in purchase history.
Yeah sure, but there is nothing holding you back from booting your IRIX/OS9/OSX hardware up, and offering a newly written vintage Application for it, on your own website. In case of iOS/iPhone there is Apple acting as Gatekeeper with their golden handcuff aka. AppStore.
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Something you will never be able to do with iOS and upcoming macOS versions(once they lock it down like iOS).
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There seems to be two things everyone is getting up in arms about. The specific issue with Apple slowing iPhone 6's when the batteries started to get older and not last as long. The SUPPOSED reason Apple gave was that they were trying to make sure the battery lasted as long by slowing down the phone. This wasn't "only a year old" and was tied directly to battery health. Then it lowered performance.
The second issue people are talking about is Apple intentionally slowing down EVERYTHING to force you to upgrade to a new device. This "planned" thing is where they do things to make stuff feel old and slow and then you go out and buy a replacement, not because you would "need" to but because Apple has done something to make it appear that way.
Apple did a really poor job in communicating what they did. That is just fact. If that is why people are suing and that is what people want to get paid on, so be it. I, along with a lot of others, feel like the lawyers win instead of the users. But to each their own. It was a mistake and if the court rules in favor of it, there ya go. Feel like this is fairly straight forward.
I don't have any idea if waterproofing is A reason why Apple doesn't allow for replaceable batteries. No knowledge on the subject. However, just because a completely different product, such as an Olympus digital camera CAN be waterproofed, says nothing about a smartphone from Apple. Truly not even something that is a reasonable comparison. Again, no idea if it is a reasonable argument to begin with, but comparing it to a different product category entirely to say it can be done is not very corollary.
I mean whether it WAS or WASN'T honest is pure speculation. I think depending on your perspective each way has merit and a case to be argued. However, I can certainly agree that they did a horrible job on communicating the "feature".
I have been using computers since my first Tandy 8088. My opinion about your opinion is that you are having a very narrow focus and a very strong and emotional interpretation. Computers get slow and old no matter what. It has been that way since I have been using them anyway. The pace of this slow down have a LOT of factors. I understand you think this is a master scheme by Apple to make you upgrade. While I don't quite share the same perspective and haven't had the experience you describe, I feel like you are not helping your point by not acknowledging the general natural slow down and myriad of reasons why this happens. It feels a little "conspiracy theory" like as you posted it.
It's a great question, what is a "reasonable" timeline?
To wrap up my post.....two things though....
Not telling people if you are going to throttle their devices is not planned obsolescence, its bad communication. That is a separate topic. Just wanted to get that out of the way.
But IF Apple is doing "planned obsolescence", that is not the "natural" cycle, that is a forced thing. So the real question is whether Apple is just doing the same thing that computer and software MFG's have done for decades or if they are doing something nefarious to try and raise sales. If the courts are looking into that, then great! (as long as there is evidence). If this is still around a bad communication choice by Apple and now everyone is trying to throw terms at it to make it sound terrible, then it is a waste of effort.