iPhone XS Max APPLE FALLING BEHIND IN HARDWARE

[FFR]

You are comparing just brightness (where Samsung can actually reach higher brightness under direct sunlight) and using that to say the Note 10 has an inferior screen to last years iPhone, you have no idea lol. If you link the entire Note 10 displaymate review and not just a small snippet that suits your narrative it rates the screen on the Note 10 as the best available.

You’re just talking about brightness in direct sunlight, if you look at the last two columns, last years xs max has a much better score.

For some reason it just doesn’t look as good as apples oled

In the battery test the guy claimed all device where set to the same brightness but the Samsung note 10 display looks dim and washed out compared to the iPhone XS Max.



When the new iPhones are released the reviewers will be singing a different tune, just like in the past two years, examples posted above. And It’s actually not displaymate.




So are you going to post your sources for your outlandish and ridiculous claim regarding Samsung display withholding key technology from customers.

I really want to see that.

 

[Twixi]

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They should have both......when your iPhone is laying on your desk iFace ID rarely works

should have both, why ? Apple releasing the new Face ID which Will work laying flat on a table, are ppl really that lazy?

 

[Jetcat3]

You’re just talking about brightness in direct sunlight, if you look at the last two columns, last years xs max has a much better score.

For some reason it just doesn’t look as good as apples oled

In the battery test the guy claimed all device where set to the same brightness but the Samsung note 10 display looks dim and washed out compared to the iPhone XS Max.



When the new iPhones are released the reviewers will be singing a different tune, just like in the past two years, examples posted above. And It’s actually not displaymate.




So are you going to post your sources for your outlandish and ridiculous claim regarding Samsung display withholding key technology from customers.

I really want to see that.

Exactly. Go into any Best Buy with any Samsung OLED device and see how bright it gets. The OLED iPhones literally get twice as bright. I just wish Samsung would change that in their software.

 

[ApplesandOranges]

I walked into Best Buy the other day and looked at the Note 10 on display. The screen looked great to me. The design looked great. Seems like the screen took up the whole phone. I don't think I would want it to be any brighter. I did not see any defects in picture quality.

More importantly I did not feel the need to take my iPhone XS out of my pocket and start comparing the phones. Notch vs hole, wrapped screen, bezels, brightness, blah blah.

I feel a lot of time is wasted arguing and appendage measuring over a phone screen. In real world use they both look great to me. Who cares if one is slightly better than the other. If anything I have found some iPhone screens inconsistent. Some have a tint to them, or one phone's colors look different when looking at the exact same phone side by side. I am sure the same thing would occur with Samsung if I looked hard enough. I am also sure settings has a lot to do with it. I would consider other factors more important. Price, battery life, features, etc.

It all comes down to personal choice. I liked the Note 10 better than the S10. No reason, it just looked more appealing to me. For now the XS I have is just fine. I feel too much time is wasted comparing specs as they appear on paper or benchmark apps. I am sure many will make a decision based on spec numbers alone without even looking at the actual phone. YMMV.
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Exactly. Go into any Best Buy with any Samsung OLED device and see how bright it gets. The OLED iPhones literally get twice as bright. I just wish Samsung would change that in their software.

I didn't get that impression at all.

 

[Jetcat3]

I walked into Best Buy the other day and looked at the Note 10 on display. The screen looked great to me. The design looked great. Seems like the screen took up the whole phone. I don't think I would want it to be any brighter. I did not see any defects in picture quality.

More importantly I did not feel the need to take my iPhone XS out of my pocket and start comparing the phones. Notch vs hole, wrapped screen, bezels, brightness, blah blah.

I feel a lot of time is wasted arguing and appendage measuring over a phone screen. In real world use they both look great to me. Who cares if one is slightly better than the other. If anything I have found some iPhone screens inconsistent. Some have a tint to them, or one phone's colors look different when looking at the exact same phone side by side. I am sure the same thing would occur with Samsung if I looked hard enough. I am also sure settings has a lot to do with it. I would consider other factors more important. Price, battery life, features, etc.

It all comes down to personal choice. I liked the Note 10 better than the S10. No reason, it just looked more appealing to me. For now the XS I have is just fine. I feel too much time is wasted comparing specs as they appear on paper or benchmark apps. I am sure many will make a decision based on spec numbers alone without even looking at the actual phone. YMMV.
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I didn't get that impression at all.

I understand where you’re coming from, but 350 nits isn’t very much in a brightly lit room. I want control of the brightness in any environment especially as high ambient lighting reduces contrast and erodes color reproduction. If you look at the images posted above, that’s what it looks like when you compare an AMOLED iPhone and Galaxy phone next to each. Throw on an HDR video for the Galaxy phone and then you’ll see the boost to 750+ nits. Otherwise, the iPhone will double up on it brightness wise.

I get it though, these days all smartphones are pretty much the same but I like to give credit where it’s due and I’m amazed by the job Apple did with their factory calibration and quality control. It’s the things that nobody talks about in reviews.

 

[FFR]

Exactly. Go into any Best Buy with any Samsung OLED device and see how bright it gets. The OLED iPhones literally get twice as bright. I just wish Samsung would change that in their software.

No idea what Samsung is doing wrong. Some reviews show the right numbers but that does not translate to real world performance. Something doesn’t seem right.

Apple certainly does not appear to be “falling behind in hardware” as the op claims, perhaps he just doesn’t have an iPhone.

 

[Jetcat3]

No idea what Samsung is doing wrong. Some reviews show the right numbers but that does not translate to real world performance. Something doesn’t seem right.

Apple certainly does not appear to be “falling behind in hardware” as the op claims, perhaps he just doesn’t have an iPhone.

Here you go. If you’re not under direct sunlight or watching an HDR video, you’ll only get the lower numbers. With the iPhone the values don’t change with auto brightness on or off.

So on a white text background the Xs Max will have 725 nits vs 345 nits on the Note 10+ until you turn on an HDR YouTube video or you’re under direct sunlight, then you’ve got 778 nits to work with on the Note 10+.

 

[loybond]

Displaymate says the Note 10 is not as bright as the XS/Max, except when you turn on the high brightness mode. Then it gets way brighter. That's probably why it looks that way.

Regardless, peak brightness is not anywhere near the top of the list for picture quality attributes. I'm a big fan of my XS Max display, but fact is, the Note 10+ is a newer screen, and according to Displaymate, beats the iPhone slightly in many areas, including colour accuracy. I think that's to be expected with newer phones.

I'm quite surprised at how decent the OnePlus screen is!

 

[FFR]

Here you go. If you’re not under direct sunlight or watching an HDR video, you’ll only get the lower numbers. With the iPhone the values don’t change with auto brightness on or off.

So on a white text background the Xs Max will have 725 nits vs 345 nits on the Note 10+ until you turn on an HDR YouTube video or you’re under direct sunlight, then you’ve got 778 nits to work with on the Note 10+.

That sounds terrible. Didn’t know the note screen had an automatic high/low performance mode that the user could not control.


Thanks for the explanation.

 

[UBS28]

The display of the iPhone cannot be better because it has a notch. Apple loses by default.

 

[Cold_Beaver]

The display of the iPhone cannot be better because it has a notch. Apple loses by default.

And it uses a ******** display

 

[Ruggy]

I wholeheartedly agree with this assessment. I bought a Samsung S10+ to play with it and I’ve been using it for the past 7 months on an experimental base. I’ve gone through loops to make it a candidate to replace my iPhone X. DAVx5 in order to use my CalDAV servers, AirMessage to use iMessage, which by the way works incredibly well, and many other tweaks here and there. I’d say I’ve come close to the level of an iPhone but still cannot switch over to make it as my main phone.

I have to agree with the OP that the display of the Samsung looks much better than my X. Camera too clearly runs circles around my X’s camera. I like the widgets and utilities offered by Samsung’s implementation of Android. Having an SD card slot, a USB-C port that accepts external storage and peripherals like screens and mice are clearly a step above the IOS.

Yet iPhone still offers a better user experience and almost flawless, fluid usage. I use IOS’s Notes, Reminders Remote, ATV remote, Find Friends, AirPlay, iCloud based services heavily and those are hard to replicate on Samsung. Oh and the Face ID works 99% reliably and quickly for me that I don’t find Samsung’s under display FP ID any superior or preferable.

Last but not least, I also bought a Galaxy watch to complete the picture. Galaxy watch is very pretty. Incredibly nice to be able chose among the thousands of free watch faces. But, I find my AW4 still gives a better and more utilitarian experience than the Galaxy watch.

In the end, I give kudos to Samsung for the hardware but IOS, despite its shortcomings and its locked nature is still going to be my choice for now.

Very fair and useful posting. Thank you.
There are a couple of other things:
Low light ability on the Samsung is way better.
Browsing the net is faster.
Call quality and signal capture is better.
Something quite worrying with the XS Max is how easily they break when you drop them- it used to be the Samsungs that broke easily. They are actually fairly fragile
But as you rightly point out in the end the user experience on the iPhone is the thing that keeps you in the Apple universe. It's way better.
And to be honest, I really like the ethos of the company. They aren't perfect but they are admirable and their after sales service (for me at least) is exceptional.

 

[I7guy]

...Something quite worrying with the XS Max is how easily they break when you drop them- it used to be the Samsungs that broke easily. They are actually fairly fragile...

Without addressing the specifics of the pros and cons of each phone, because they are not really black and white the max isn’t as fragile as I thought.

I had stupidly placed my phone precariously on a window ledge that was about 6 feet off the ground. Walked out of the room and heard a thunk. Went back in and saw my max on the (wood) floor face down, expecting the worst I found no damage. Now I had an Apple silicon case on it. Took it out of the case and found no damage. Clearly was lucky however o don’t believe the max is as fragile as all that. Dropping it on concrete face down without a case, probably is another story.

 

[Wide opeN]

To whom it may concern,

I'll never be able to do the pinkish/greenish hues that are notorious on Samsung phones. Apple has the most LCD like OLED in the business. The best of both worlds iMHO.

 

[torana355]

That sounds terrible. Didn’t know the note screen had an automatic high/low performance mode that the user could not control.


Thanks for the explanation.

Except its a complete non issue as you do not need 700 nits in anything other then direct sunlight. Hence why you never hear any review saying the s10 or note 10 have an issue with brightness. I never have any of my Samsung phones set higher then 50 percent brightness, any higher and it would burn my damn retinas lol. It's the same as saying 4gb of ram is terrible on an iPhone when in reality it does not need more. Spec sheets do not tell the whole story.

 

[FFR]

Except its a complete non issue as you do not need 700 nits in anything other then direct sunlight. Hence why you never hear any review saying the s10 or note 10 have an issue with brightness. I never have any of my Samsung phones set higher then 50 percent brightness, any higher and it would burn my damn retinas lol. It's the same as saying 4gb of ram is terrible on an iPhone when in reality it does not need more. Spec sheets do not tell the whole story.

Pictures actually tell the whole story.

The displays performance is disappointing when you take into account that the iPhone is a year old.

 

[torana355]

Pictures actually tell the whole story.

The displays performance is disappointing when you take into account that the iPhone is a year old.

Those pictures are meaningless without showing what brightness level they are set to. And once again there is no need for more than 400 Nits unless in direct sunlight. Also if you want to get technical The Note 10 can actually reach higher peak brightness then the iPhone, Samsung have just tuned it so it only does so when needed on HDR content or under direct sunlight. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

 

[saber32au]

In the battery test the guy claimed all device where set to the same brightness but the Samsung note 10 display looks dim and washed out compared to the iPhone XS Max.

The lad who did the test (I believe) also stated due to the angle and position of the phone in relation to the camera recording the test, some phones did appear "dimmer" onscreen. Make of that what you will, though I don't think there is anything underhand going on. The youtuber who made the video (Arun) appears to be well respected in that community (for what it's worth), and I don't see the motivation/why he'd state that all screens are calibrated to XXX nits, then dim the screen of the note 10 in order for the note to place high in the test?

Pictures actually tell the whole story.

The displays performance is disappointing when you take into account that the iPhone is a year old.

In those photos, I too prefer the "look" of the iPhones display (which to reiterate, is my preference, and others are free to disagree), though to be fair, I think the difference is moreso due to the colour profile each phone uses in that image. A different colour profile may make me switch my choice...

The note 10 display (from my short use in a shop) looks stunning!

 

[FFR]

The lad who did the test (I believe) also stated due to the angle and position of the phone in relation to the camera recording the test, some phones did appear "dimmer" onscreen. Make of that what you will, though I don't think there is anything underhand going on. The youtuber who made the video (Arun) appears to be well respected in that community (for what it's worth), and I don't see the motivation/why he'd state that all screens are calibrated to XXX nits, then dim the screen of the note 10 in order for the note to place high in the test?



In those photos, I too prefer the "look" of the iPhones display (which to reiterate, is my preference, and others are free to disagree), though to be fair, I think the difference is moreso due to the colour profile each phone uses in that image. A different colour profile may make me switch my choice...

The note 10 display (from my short use in a shop) looks stunning!

Yes that’s the point. The display looks stunning in version conditions. In others it comprised. As the pictures above clearly show.

The discrepancy between some posters claim and the pictures of the phone in use are quite clear.

 

[bingeciren]

Very fair and useful posting. Thank you.
There are a couple of other things:
Low light ability on the Samsung is way better.
Browsing the net is faster.
Call quality and signal capture is better.
Something quite worrying with the XS Max is how easily they break when you drop them- it used to be the Samsungs that broke easily. They are actually fairly fragile
But as you rightly point out in the end the user experience on the iPhone is the thing that keeps you in the Apple universe. It's way better.
And to be honest, I really like the ethos of the company. They aren't perfect but they are admirable and their after sales service (for me at least) is exceptional.

One additional item regarding Samsung vs Apple’s IOS devices that I found out lately: I was vacationing at a holiday complex and the WiFi strength at my location was marginal. Our iPads (Mini4, 9.7” pro and Air2) and iPhones (7+ and X) were struggling to connect and even when connected could not surf the web properly, but my Samsung S10+ was not only connecting without a hitch, it was surfing and streaming at a blazing speed. I have no idea why Apple devices are so deaf compared to Samsung but that’s a real annoying issue.

 

[Ngamtns706]

I have had every iphone since the 3gs and preordered most of them. I went from a max to pixel 3xl to the s10 plus. I'm on verizon and where I dropped calls with the max, I didnt with the two recent androids. I'm looking seriously at the 2019/2020 iPhone news. I prefer iphone for the most part, they all have pluses. It's all a compromise and really boils down to which ecosystem you prefer. The cameras- pixel and top tier androids are somewhat better but most people probably cant tell much of a difference except low light shots. Anyways, what did it for me was the reception was poor on the Max. I am probably done preordering. The pixel had great reception and the s10 plus is pretty good, better than the most recent iphones. The galaxy is a great phone, and so is the note. Intel is inferior as well. All phones are going to have problems. Specs don't really matter that much in the pissing contest sort and the blogs that highlight them how they do. The geekbench scores of iPhones and 8/12 mb ram on some androids. iPhones like pixels do not need crazy ram (although pixel needs 6 really) because they don't have all the gimmicky stuff Samsung have and operate more efficiently from the get go.

 

[ksec]

There are many areas that Apple is lacking behind in Hardware, some listed, but Apple has always had a Wait until it is good enough attitude in new tech adoption. So for this reason you won't see Apple being first in Folding Phone or 5G.

I think it will be worth revising this thread after the announcement of 2019 iPhone.

 

[Khedron]

I think it will be worth revising this thread after the annulment of 2019 iPhone.

Funny typo.

 

[ksec]

Funny typo.

ROFL. Thanks to Auto Correct.

 

[bushman4]

Same story every year. Apple will still sell millions of iphone 11s over the next year despite the obvious competition, then will come with a redesigned iphone to put them ahead of the curve again (which other manufacturers will clone).

The only thing Apple are falling behind on is quality control in my opinion.

Selling millions of iphones and innovation of hardware are two different thongd