Apple Fights UK's Demand for iCloud Data Backdoor

[m4mario]

The fact that the UK public should not know the nature of the data request, is in itself, extremely anti-democratic.
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At the least, a names-redacted version of the data request should be made public.

 

[pankajdoharey]

Thankyou Apple for preserving the right to privacy.

 

[FlyingDutch]

Not if it’s up to him. He wants to be the bossiest boss you’ve ever seen. Judging current developments, he is very successful!

The problem is not him, but the people that voted for him… that says a lot about US nowadays.

By the way, to stick with the topic, good move from Apple. Just remove cloud services in UK: maybe their citizens will complain enough.

 

[FlyingDutch]

Apple already provides iCloud data if there is a lawful request from law enforcement, why would government need back door ?

The “law enforcement” scenario is just an excuse to have a back door.

 

[GaryMumford]

Who? Apple? Sorry, Trump is the boss now. The US won't make Apple do anything of these things. Thats why they just agreed to a 500B investment. It's time for the people of the UK to take the red pill and wake up!

It’s not the people of the UK who need to wake up, it’s the UK government who need to wake up. The people in the UK don’t want this.

 

[Dutch60]

The problem is not him, but the people that voted for him… that says a lot about US nowadays.

I agree and those voters shouldn’t complain or look in the mirror if they complain about this new administration.
If they regret what they voted for, then Trump should be the target for criticism , not Musk.

By the way, to stick with the topic, good move from Apple. Just remove cloud services in UK: maybe their citizens will complain enough.

 

[RalfTheDog]

This won't last. The UK wants to rejoin the EU. If they do, they will be forced to comply with the EUs very strong privacy laws.

 

[Dutch60]

There's a creepy vibe going across Europe with this censorship and privacy stuff...

I would be much more worried in the USA!

 

[Jamie0003]

All I have to say is:

LMAO!!!!!

I told you not to let a governing body dictate what Apple could do, with something as incredibly stupid and insignificant as charging cable. All that does is pave the way for the next thing. And the next. And the next. This proves itself over and over again in all kinds of spaces with government. This is no surprise at all. They are looking at the victories, and thinking they push for one. They might be right.

Uk gov has nothing to do with what the EU is doing…

 

[CarAnalogy]

Legally, Trump is the head of the executive branch only. He's not the equivalent of a "boss" for the United States.

To be fair, of the three branches, the executive is the only one with a single "boss" at the top. He can and has issued unilateral orders to the executive branch, by far the largest branch.

Of course, basically every one of those orders has generated at least one lawsuit.

By the way I think that arrangement is kind of ridiculous no matter who is president. Executive orders should have been limited by Congress decades ago.

 

[9081094]

UK has become a socialist hell, using socialist instruments like KGB, Gestapo or Stasi. Don‘t move and support this gangsters.

Lol, I know a government that’s run by thugs and grifters and that’s not in the UK.

 

[darkpaw]

Shouldn’t have Apple done this before removing ADP?

We can't know, due to the actual law they've filed the lawsuit against, whether they did this before or after removing ADP. I can't read what the FT reported (behind a paywall), but they may be reporting that the lawsuit appeared on the press radars today.

 

[darkpaw]

This is not Apples fight. Kudos to them for getting involved but this is a fight of the Uk public, (that will very likely sit back and do nothing).
Time for them to stand up and make a noise about it.

We are standing up and making a noise about it, but thanks for your off-hand, unwarranted insult.

I've already written to my MP, the Prime Minister, and the Home Secretary. And, while you might think, "Oh, letters! Hope that works out for you but it needs more forceful action," letters are just the start. We in the UK don't go from being angry about something directly to purchasing weapons.

 

[H2SO4]

We are standing up and making a noise about it, but thanks for your off-hand, unwarranted insult.

I've already written to my MP, the Prime Minister, and the Home Secretary. And, while you might think, "Oh, letters! Hope that works out for you but it needs more forceful action," letters are just the start. We in the UK don't go from being angry about something directly to purchasing weapons.

I can assure everybody here that you are in the minority, the comment is absolutely not off hand.
When I see a 1990 poll tax like response, I'll take my comment back. Gladly.

Oh, and I know what you in the Uk do, don't get it twisted.

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

This won't last. The UK wants to rejoin the EU. If they do, they will be forced to comply with the EUs very strong privacy laws.

As long as the EU doesn't try to pull the same thing.

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

By the way I think that arrangement is kind of ridiculous no matter who is president. Executive orders should have been limited by Congress decades ago.

The problem is that Congress is lazy and has just delegated more authority to the position of President over time.

Fortunately, separation of powers is still a thing and courts strike down laws even if the law or order comes from the President who appointed them.

IMO, Congress would be more functional if we made the position of Speaker of the House non-partisan and just gave most of the powers of Speaker to the House Majority Leader. Make a "Prime Minister of the United States" if you will.

 

[avz]

Already too far of topic,

Is it?

but this is depending on what result you wish to achieve.

Perhaps starting a legal process to fight UK's demand for icloud data backdoor is a way of "slowing down the time" so the other things and events have a chance to catch up and put Apple in a much better position to win.

 

[justperry]

Way to go Apple!

Well…, is that so.
On this side of the pond maybe, but on their own side not so much, or For instance China.
Tim gave into renaming the gulf, gave 1 million to Orange boy, Is not really consumer friendly in the states and so on.

 

[jz0309]

Well…, is that so.
On this side of the pond maybe, but on their own side not so much, or For instance China.
Tim gave into renaming the gulf, gave 1 million to Orange boy, Is not really consumer friendly in the states and so on.

Well, really?
Apple has to follow the local laws, regardless of country.
Apple receives geographic names from a source in the US (it was mentioned in the article that first brought this up), as does Google and that source changed the name, there was no “Tim givingin…”.
Cook used personal funds for that donation, said it before and say it again, that’s a smart move.
And I don’t know what “is not consumer friendly in the states (US) means, please elaborate. Personally, I have no complaints and have been treated well by Apple when needed.

 

[Cirillo Gherardo]

Uk gov has nothing to do with what the EU is doing…

False. They have everything to do with it. They see that EU has gotten away with, and is taking it to the next level.

 

[Tagbert]

No what YOU call socialism, is you spending all of your money PRETENDING to take care of your people and then (because you are flat broke) you rely on the US for OUR money and OUR military.

Those days are coming to an end bud... buckle up and get ready.

I'm sure that Trump will balance the budget and not issue any unfunded tax reductions for corporations or wealthy people. 🤔

 

[Jamie0003]

False. They have everything to do with it. They see that EU has gotten away with, and is taking it to the next level.

lmao what the EU is doing isn’t even similar to this. Try again

 

[justperry]

Well, really?
Apple has to follow the local laws, regardless of country.
Apple receives geographic names from a source in the US (it was mentioned in the article that first brought this up), as does Google and that source changed the name, there was no “Tim givingin…”.
Cook used personal funds for that donation, said it before and say it again, that’s a smart move.
And I don’t know what “is not consumer friendly in the states (US) means, please elaborate. Personally, I have no complaints and have been treated well by Apple when needed.

Paying for warranty is not consumer friendly.
Paying a president or any politician in most of the world is called corruption, nepotism, cronyism.
There’s no legal law that says to rename the bay, at least, that’s what I think is the case, they, Google-Apple/others just suck it up while they shouldn’t.

 

[jz0309]

Paying for warranty is not consumer friendly.
Paying a president or any politician in most of the world is called corruption, nepotism, cronyism.
There’s no legal law that says to rename the bay, at least, that’s what I think is the case, they, Google-Apple/others just suck it up while they shouldn’t.

"Paying for warranty is not consumer friendly." - what are you talking bout? Apple provides the warranty required by law, just as any other electronics or consumer goods company does. It happens that eg in the EU that warranty period is longer than in the US, again, local law. And AC+ is essentially an insurance, and there are plenty 3rd part insurance companies that offer the same service for other electronics or furniture and such, Apple offers this as a service and it is up to your own choosing if you want to pay for that or not.

As far as the renaming goes, there is precedence that former POTUS has done the same, and Apple and Google complied in the past. While I personally think this renaming was/is silly, it is lawful and again, Apple and Google and everyone else retrieves the names from a central db.

 

[nnoble]

Please refrain from using words you do not understand.

This government is not socialist in any sense of the word. In case you didn’t realise, the dominant economic system across most of the world is neoliberalism. This has been the case since the late 1970s and is still the case today. This is a capitalist system.

Socialism isn’t about “when the government does things”. Broadly speaking, it’s about worker ownership of the means of production. This can come in many forms, some with governments and some without (anarchism).

Socialism has nothing to do with this.

I admire you trying, but it is nigh on impossible to educate the wilfully ignorant, particularly when their current leadership has no working relationship with knowledge, history or truth.