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Apple Fights UK's Demand for iCloud Data Backdoor

nnoble said:
I admire you trying, but it is nigh on impossible to educate the wilfully ignorant, particularly when their current leadership has no working relationship with knowledge, history or truth.
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Serious question…..you mean US leadership, right?
 
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This is wild. The government said give us a back door through the encryption and Apple said "not that but instead we'll just take away the encryption altogether". Wtf? A great precedent that shows Apple will fold if a government asks it to
 
ijordano said:
This is wild. The government said give us a back door through the encryption and Apple said "not that but instead we'll just take away the encryption altogether". Wtf? A great precedent that shows Apple will fold if a government asks it to
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A back door is functionally indistinguishable from “no encryption”.
 
ijordano said:
This is wild. The government said give us a back door through the encryption and Apple said "not that but instead we'll just take away the encryption altogether". Wtf? A great precedent that shows Apple will fold if a government asks it to
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I'm not entirely sure how you managed to read the article and get it backwards?

If Apple had capitulated and added a backdoor into the end-to-end encryption (E2EE), then the UK government's agencies could access any iCloud data for any user throughout the entire world.

Apple responded by removing the option for ADP in the UK. This means that no UK user can now enable ADP, and all UK users with it currently enabled will have to disable it (timeframe not yet specified), and will drop down to Standard Data Protection (SDP). There is now no E2EE service that the UK government can request a backdoor into.

Apple didn't fold; they removed ADP so they don't have to add a backdoor.

The effect is that the UK government just removed an extra layer of protection from all UK iCloud users (who had enabled ADP).

Apple are now taking the UK government to court to confirm that the request was illegal. If they win, ADP can be brought back to the UK, and I would imagine a lot more people will enable it.
 
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Dutch60 said:
Getting off topic now, but I see you like expressions….
Here’s one from a rather popular

“Why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”
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Ah yes:”Do as I say not as I do” is another good one.

Yes I do like expressions and yes a bit off topic, but if someone is going to write some backhanded remark in a snarky obtuse way that can be interpreted multiple ways, then expect what comes along with it.

But as far as the topic goes: imo the UK is way out of line.
 
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Jamie0003 said:
lmao what the EU is doing isn’t even similar to this. Try again
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Yes, it is. You can LMAO all you want. You are probably one of those that were cheering the use of government to force a technology company to use a specific technology for no other reason than consumer convenience. Had nothing to do with safety or public good...you know, the only things the government should care about in regulation. It was "muh single charger".

You were warned not to confuse "oh that would be nice" with "yes it's appropriate to use government this way". You were warned that backing such a pointless overreach of power would inevitably lead to more of the same. And it will. And it is. The UK government in this instance is looking DIRECTLY at the E.U's "victories" over big bad Apple, and thinking they can get away with their own desires. That's what precedent is. That's what precedent does.
 
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Cirillo Gherardo said:
Yes, it is. You can LMAO all you want. You are probably one of those that were cheering the use of government to force a technology company to use a specific technology for no other reason than consumer convenience. Had nothing to do with safety or public good...you know, the only things the government should care about in regulation. It was "muh single charger".

You were warned not to confuse "oh that would be nice" with "yes it's appropriate to use government this way". You were warned that backing such a pointless overreach of power would inevitably lead to more of the same. And it will. And it is. The UK government in this instance is looking DIRECTLY at the E.U's "victories" over big bad Apple, and thinking they can get away with their own desires. That's what precedent is. That's what precedent does.
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actually yes I am. Having type C, putting pressure on Apple to allow sideloading are GOOD things for the consumer. This however, is not.

Apple needs and deserves to be taken down a peg
 
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nnoble said:
I admire you trying, but it is nigh on impossible to educate the wilfully ignorant, particularly when their current leadership has no working relationship with knowledge, history or truth.
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I normally wouldn’t bother, but recent discussions with people IRL has made me respond to those sort of statements now.
 
justperry said:
Well…, is that so.
On this side of the pond maybe, but on their own side not so much, or For instance China.
Tim gave into renaming the gulf, gave 1 million to Orange boy, Is not really consumer friendly in the states and so on.
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Apple stands for money grabbing these days. Their moral standpoints are just marketing points and lots of people believe it. Apple has proven this time and time again. Don’t believe me, I’ve lots of facts proving otherwise.
 
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