Says who? You? Because everyone who bought an iPhone 12 was an iPhone user before? That’s an arrogant assumption to make. So if you’re a new Apple user and buy an iPhone 12, now what?
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Apple Fined $2 Million in Brazil for Selling iPhones Without Chargers
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I’m working on it, but apple stock prices seem not to go up and down based on the prognostications of MR posters.
You’re the one calling Apple a cult and over the course of many posts voiced disagreement with management, product philosophies, managerial hypocrisy etc, seems like not to much to like about the products.
I happen to like Apples products and therefore I buy them.
“It” refers to the iPhone, not the power brick. With over 1 billion active devices it’s a good bet many, if not most , have a 5w, 12w or other usb-a charger and cable.
If you want to charge at the phones highest capacity, you can buy the appropriate charger and use the included cable.
Apple made the assumption about prior users vs new users.
As a potential new iPhone user you have two choices : 1) skip the purchase and find a vendor that has what you want, or, 2) buy a charger for $20 or get an mfi usb-a brick and charger for a few bucks.
Some good counter/arguments relating to this topic, I am indifferent on the matter however consider this.
Apple introduced USB-C in to the 2015 MB line and gradually expanded it to the MPB/A, iPad Pro/Air etc. Apple can be provided a little grace period to transition the included Lightening cable from USB-A to USB-C, let’s say three to four years is a fair margin for this transition considering the amount of devices on the market.
Apple included a Lightening to USB-C cable and power adapter on the 2019 iPhone Pro models only, every other model included a Lightening to USB-A cable and the shameful 5W USB-A power adapter that was included with the initial iPhone launch.
If the decision was relating to the environment, why not include a faster USB-A or USB-C charger sooner, iPhone X was fast charging capable however to utilize that benefit people had to disregard the included 5W USB-A charger and purchase a fast charging USB-C power adapter and a Lightening to USB-C cable.
If the decision was relating to the environment why did the 2020 iPhone SE initially include a Lightening to USB-A cable and a USB-A power adapter. Why not include it at launch with USB-C like the iPhone 11 Pro?
A USB-C power adapter was included only with the iPhone 11 Pro and none with the 12 Pro, if the argument was about the environment then Apple does not expect people to upgrade every year, so people would not have an included USB-C power adapter.
The assumption is that people already have Lightening to USB-A cables and the possibility of a USB-A power adapter, however when buying a new product we cannot make the assumption that people are upgrading from prior iPhones, have working cables or power adapters or coming from android platform or nothing.
If Apple is unwilling to offer these in the box, I support that however it has to offer a free and compatible method to recharge their new device, either through a voucher/code as many have suggested or call AppleSupport and have them shipped or the ability to pick-up in-store for free.
Had a transition period with an included USB-C power adapter and Lightening to USB-C cable was established for 3-4 years I don’t suspect people would be annoyed by Apples decision to masquerade profits for the environment.
And that is why you and that other member you agree with are not running Apple. Do yourself a favor and think as a business and not just as a customer and it may make sense to you that it is not a great solution. Giving out coupons or gift cards will easily end up on Ebay. Just like when Apple includes a pair of Beats headphones for the back-to-school promos. They end up on Ebay for the customer to make a profit.
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The point is it’s ridiculous for ANYONE to be required to purchase a charger for a $1k phone they just bought. It is literally required to have to be able to use the device.
Not everyone will end-up asking for one, sure some people that dont need one will do, but with the proper copy "just in case you really need it, remember we're reducing waste", and just for the trouble of going around the redeeming process, I'll argue most people might not.
My new car didnt come with a spare tire. But, it does have USB ports for me to charge my phone just in case I need to call a tow truck.Right, they are called spare tires.
If you truly believe what you're saying, especially when it comes to this forum of constant whiners....
Apple will never be able to please 100% of their customers and the vocal minority sometimes make it seem that they speak for everyone…but they don’t.
The EU criticized Apple for e-waste, so they took a stand and predictably the hidden agenda of the argument becomes about profit.
It's not required. Any Mac since 2017 has a USB-C connector. Most PC laptops since 2018 have a USB-C connector. You can plug the phone right in to be charged. Also get real about it, I highly doubt a first-time iPhone user is going to buy a $1000 iPhone when there are other models for less money.
Respectfully you don’t know for a fact that it’s a minority. You saying that seems like you’re speaking on the behalf of everyone else and potentially misrepresenting the facts.
On the first page I posted that this was a good thing that Brazil was doing. I got 40+ agrees and 10 disagrees. Not much of a minority is it.
The ideal outcome here is that both sides respect the views of the other. You have plenty of people here including yourself that like to almost silence people who disagree with them, suggest they leave the forums and buy an android phone, stuff like that.
Have some respect for the opposing side. I for one hope Apple gets slapped with harsh penalties for this and starts including the charger brick again. If you disagree, disagree, but you lot don’t have to act so blown away all the time that someone out there doesn’t agree with you on something.
I don’t have a laptop from 2020, I have my trusty 2014 MacBook Pro. I don’t have any recent iPads either. I shouldn’t be expected to be intimately involved with all the latest products and neither should anyone else. A product should come with a way to USE IT beyond the first day of charge that doesn’t require additional purchases. If Apple had simply reduced the MSRP by the cost of the charger that would have eliminated much of this conversation but they didn’t so here we are.
I didn’t want 5G and had they not included it, they could have reduced the price. At some point, Apple has to decide what is and isn’t included and what to sell it for. Consumers decide if they want the included features for the price being asked.
I’d rather a trillion dollar corporation include a charger with their electronic product. That’s all. If they really wanna ration what to include with the customer’s own money then that makes them an awful company. In my opinion of course
Don't forget one can use Qi charging as well, which can be had for less than the price of the Apple brick.
I feel Apple should (retroactive and going forward) offer iPhone 12 users the option to bring in their Apple 5W USB-A chargers for a USB-C charger. This was its considering the environment by recycling older power adapters, reusing the materials in those unused or underused and coming with a suitable compromise.
For example trade in 1 Apple 5W USB-A get $5 off on a 18W Charger, trade 2 get $10 off, trade 3 and its free.
To me this would be a win/win/win for Apple/Consumer/Environment. Not sure why this was not considered by Tim Cook as he seems to be for equality.
Apple have been fined for various infringements which broke local consumer rights laws. A big company like Apple should know the law.
Exactly. I’d like to ask Apple to release sales figures for these charger bricks but we both know they won’t do that.
Like there are perfectly valid reasons many of us believe this to be entirely financially motivated beyond just “hating apple” or whatever
I believe Qi charging reduces battery cycle life. Since I have been plugging my iPhone 12 Pro (launch day) I have 100% battery health, this is just my experience. My XS that I had was Qi charged and battery health was lacking about 92% after a year and charging it once a day with rare exceptions of twice a day.
(We may disagree, but the conversations are respectful
) On the flip side you do not know is anything but minority.MacRumors is an enthusiast site dedicated to news, information and discussion about topics that revolve around Apple. Not exactly a random sample, and at times the site is an echo chamber. However I posit if the "vast majority", whomever they are felt about Apple with the anti-Apple vitriol that has been posted with respect to:
- Apples' involvement in social issues
- Apples' lack of philanthropy given their immense wealth, and Apples' philanthropy doesn't give to those in need and Apple really needs to solve all of the worlds' issues.
- Lack of innovation, always behind the tech curve, products too expensive, not customizable enough
- Management hypocrisy
- Current CEO not a product person
- Corporate malfeasance
- Management riding on coattails of SJ
If the "vast majority" of the masses really took to heart the above, plus other criticisms I can't recall at the moment, Apple wouldn't be a $2T company with record breaking revenues the last quarter. iphone 12, in the aggregate was a very good seller according to Apple and if the charging brick was an issue to the "vast majority" how could it be a best seller?
See above. There are those that believe iphone is a best seller because the "vast majority" are blinded by the logo and people are buying iphone because it is the best or the worst. The flip side of that conversation is the reminder there is competition in the smartphone world.
I think we all have respect for the "opposing side", but nowhere is it written that we all here on MR have to have the same viewpoints, we can disagree respectfully. One can voice a criticism of Apple and one can respond to that.
There is a lot of "shoulda, woulda, coulda" in the above. It is what it is. Maybe this discussion will prompt Apple to change it's policy with respect to bundling the charger, but probably not. The horse has left the barn with the headphone jack, earpods and charger.
Including a charger with a laptop computer is very different than a smartphone. Laptop computers today don't have standardized charging. Smartphones basically do. Almost any standard USB connection can charge a smartphone. So not including a charger with the iphone 12, is not such a leap.