Explain how the 2020 iPhone SE included a changer and then later it was dropped, did Apple and Tim Cook have a woke moment sometime late 2020. Did the 2020 iPhone SE drop in price after the power adapter was not included.
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Apple Fined $2 Million in Brazil for Selling iPhones Without Chargers
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Got to start the conversation somewhere on a local level, I am sure you are not the only one who feels at odds, a Class Action lawsuit will also force corporations to think harder before implementing change that effects its users.
You need to quit it with the respect stuff here. If anything you've been more disrespectful to others. You've been hurling insults just because someone doesn't agree with you. I'm not calling you a whiner I'm generalizing the entire forum site because everything I said was 100% spot on. Consumer rights have nothing to do with included chargers. As I said before (and you tried hard to ignore) Samsung is also not including chargers with their latest products. That's a company decision they have a right to do just like Apple. And you're right you don't have to accept anything, just don't buy. Plain and simple.Have some respect. We’re not “whining” we’re advocating for basic consumer rights. And no we don’t have to accept anything - EU didn’t and now look at what their customers get - a full product for the full price. The rest of us really are suckers that get less than they do.
Nobody said posting on here is what would change anything. We’re simply agreeing with Brazil which is what would cause a change at least there. So you’re actually completely wrong, again.
Well you’ve convinced me, I’ll look into what my options are. Thanks!
You’re wrong, plain and simple. A paying customer is far more entitled to complain than a non-paying customer. If you want to be perfectly 100% happy with all your purchases and you keep all the complaints bottled up inside then you do you. I reserve the right as a paying customer to complain and whine and bark, as you’ve put it.
Please quote some instances in this thread where I name called others with insulting language, I’ll wait. You have zero respect for others and you’ve been calling us “whiners” and “barking” and “entitled” the whole time.
The included wired EarPods never fitted me correctly, actually none of the AirPods do maybe the AirPods Pro had an okay for but not for long, don’t like over the ear/head headphones so the AirPods Max is not my thing. Fins that fit inside the charging case would be appealing and I hope AirPods Pro 2 has this built-in.
EarPods should have had a code/voucher/trade-in/credit option tbh.
2 million?
Apple eats that much for lunch, and poops it out after dinner.
Brazil needs more teeth.
Apple eats that much for lunch, and poops it out after dinner.
Brazil needs more teeth.
That goes to a special task force at Amnesty International saving the apostrophes from being abused.
Are you making stuff up because you can't rebuttal a post? I never said customers aren't entitled to complain. If I did please point it out, but I know you won't find such a post. They are absolutely entitled to complain on that respect. But didn't you say you haven't purchased an iPhone12 yet, so wouldn't that make you a non-customer? 😉
Once again making up more stuff. When did I say I was unhappy with Apple's decision. I'm not bottling up complaints because I don't really care one way or the other if they want to include a charger or not. That's seems to bother you a lot more than anyone else here.
So you do own an iPhone 12? I thought you said you didn't? And if you bought one and complaining about the non-included charger then that makes it more of your own fault for buying something that didn't come complete the way you wanted it, so your argument is null and void.
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I would also like to know, how Apple ships an iPhone with a separately purchased USB-C charger.
Because we know how iPhones are shipped on their own, neatly packed in a box taped with shrink plastic. How is the adapter added to the shipment? Shipped completely separately, or added in a larger box?
Because if its separately shipped, or dumped in a bigger extra box, thats not very environmentally friendly - something that's apparently very important to Apple.
I was always against people bitching that the 5W included charger was too slow. But it was tiny and cheap. And you could always charge your phone no matter what, right out of the box. Now we get bubcus. If Apple wanted to make it thinner for thinner packaging, they could have easily done so, just look at the old euro 5W adapter. Slim, just longer. And with the GaN technology now, could have been made very nicely.
It boggles the mind how many people think getting some specific feature of a product is a "right".
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Nice try. Getting a specific feature of a product is not a "right". But, hey, nice try anyway.
It's not a product feature, it's the ability to use this product beyond day 1. It's like Chevrolet selling a car without a gas port. (I hate car analogies but that seems to work better than anything else so far)
Are we really throwing "ability to charge my product" in the bucket of nice to haves? Really now?
This is ridiculous. How can omitting a charger possibly be something that can legitimately be fined?
Sounds like some politicians in Brazil are simply opportunists and trying to extort money from Apple.
Do they fine light bulb sellers for not also providing the lamps that are needed in order for the lights to be used?
Sounds like some politicians in Brazil are simply opportunists and trying to extort money from Apple.
Do they fine light bulb sellers for not also providing the lamps that are needed in order for the lights to be used?
But authorities should care about this kind of stuff at all even if it doesn't benefit consumers.
Most of the time the freedom of business to create the product they want and to price it they way they want, should be defended even if consumers would be harmed.
Almost every price increase could be considered a consumer harm, and yet I don't want the government to decide the price of products. It should happen naturally in a competitive market.
Hmm… did you ever see boxes that say “some assembly required?” Or “batteries not included” perhaps? Get as mad as you want, but did you read the box on your iPhone? It says right on there that headphones and charger are sold separately. This has been done for decades for all kinds of products.
You're not prevented from charging it. Stop lying.
Either way...don't like it? Don't buy it. Pretty simple.
You use the charger from your old Android phone. Or from some other device. Worst case, you can buy a new charger and keep it for many years independent of which phones you will own for the next decade or two.
Those products generally aren't 1000 dollars, and they're generally in a market where that's how it's always been done.
Phones (not just iPhones) have always come with charger cables and bricks. This is a financially motivated move, plain and simple.
Tell me then, how am I supposed to charge my hypothetical iPhone 12 that I've just bought? Please, go on. And no, I haven't bought any of the recent iPads.
I'll buy what I want to buy and complain about what I want to complain, thanks for the advice though.
Why? And why is the price of the product important?
It should not be required by law that you have to include everything needed to make a product work when you sell it. It should be up to the seller.
I'm Brazilian and I read the Procon statement in Portuguese. I think some people are missing the point, but also it seems like it's not well explained in the article.
The reason why this lawsuit exists is because Apple claims that by not providing chargers in the box it's reducing carbon emissions, but Procon's response is that there is not enough grounds to prove that this is the case. I think if Apple just decided to remove the charging bricks from the box it would be an entirely different discussion. They claim that if Apple wants to reduce carbon emissions they should provide more information about recycling products and provide some sort of recycling program to consumers not only for old devices, but also old accessories. So Procon believes that Apple doesn't have enough grounds to advertise that by removing charges it's actually doing so because of the environment, therefore the only explanation would be for profit which should be clearly stated if this is the case (or not talked about). It's less about the action of removing a charger itself and more about the way it was originally advertised.
I wouldn't s*** on a consumer protection agency in a country like Brazil. Procon is one of the few agencies that has an actual history of helping consumers and stopping questionable behaviours from big corporations so I'm glad they are pointing out their hypocrisy.
The reason why this lawsuit exists is because Apple claims that by not providing chargers in the box it's reducing carbon emissions, but Procon's response is that there is not enough grounds to prove that this is the case. I think if Apple just decided to remove the charging bricks from the box it would be an entirely different discussion. They claim that if Apple wants to reduce carbon emissions they should provide more information about recycling products and provide some sort of recycling program to consumers not only for old devices, but also old accessories. So Procon believes that Apple doesn't have enough grounds to advertise that by removing charges it's actually doing so because of the environment, therefore the only explanation would be for profit which should be clearly stated if this is the case (or not talked about). It's less about the action of removing a charger itself and more about the way it was originally advertised.
I wouldn't s*** on a consumer protection agency in a country like Brazil. Procon is one of the few agencies that has an actual history of helping consumers and stopping questionable behaviours from big corporations so I'm glad they are pointing out their hypocrisy.
An iphone uses a standard charging mechanism of USB which is a standard in the smartphone and accessory universe. Charging a phone is not in question here as one can use any port, any brick, any usb-a/usb-c to lightning cable.
My Bose qc ii did not come with a charger, but a cable...that doesn't mean I don't have the means to charge it or can't get find a brick, buy a brick or find a usb port somewhere in my domain.