Seems a bit daft to have a different sized box to include the charger just for one state in Brazil. Easier to add a separate charger.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Apple Fined $2 Million in Brazil for Selling iPhones Without Chargers
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Nope, don’t agree. An electronic product should come with a way to charge it, full stop. It’s the way we’ve been doing electronics for many decades. I’m not about to be okay giving that up just because some faceless megacorp said so, sorry! ✌️(We may disagree, but the conversations are respectful) On the flip side you do not know is anything but minority.
MacRumors is an enthusiast site dedicated to news, information and discussion about topics that revolve around Apple. Not exactly a random sample, and at times the site is an echo chamber. However I posit if the "vast majority", whomever they are felt about Apple with the anti-Apple vitriol that has been posted with respect to:
- Apples' involvement in social issues
- Apples' lack of philanthropy given their immense wealth, and Apples' philanthropy doesn't give to those in need and Apple really needs to solve all of the worlds' issues.
- Lack of innovation, always behind the tech curve, products too expensive, not customizable enough
- Management hypocrisy
- Current CEO not a product person
- Corporate malfeasance
- Management riding on coattails of SJ
If the "vast majority" of the masses really took to heart the above, plus other criticisms I can't recall at the moment, Apple wouldn't be a $2T company with record breaking revenues the last quarter. iphone 12, in the aggregate was a very good seller according to Apple and if the charging brick was an issue to the "vast majority" how could it be a best seller?
See above. There are those that believe iphone is a best seller because the "vast majority" are blinded by the logo and people are buying iphone because it is the best or the worst. The flip side of that conversation is the reminder there is competition in the smartphone world.
I think we all have respect for the "opposing side", but nowhere is it written that we all here on MR have to have the same viewpoints, we can disagree respectfully. One can voice a criticism of Apple and one can respond to that.
There is a lot of "shoulda, woulda, coulda" in the above. It is what it is. Maybe this discussion will prompt Apple to change it's policy with respect to bundling the charger, but probably not. The horse has left the barn with the headphone jack, earpods and charger.
Including a charger with a laptop computer is very different than a smartphone. Laptop computers today don't have standardized charging. Smartphones basically do. Almost any standard USB connection can charge a smartphone. So not including a charger with the iphone 12, is not such a leap.
Little off-topic, but I believe the same. However Apple has included it since the iphone x. (but got plenty of criticism for not including it in previous models). My xs max in november will be three years old, and health stands at 97%, and I do take advantage of wireless charging.
Easier to just do what they did originally and include it in the iPhone box.
Remember back in the day how we could get an iPhone with earphones and charger cable and brick AND a DOCK for one price, none of this “accessories not included” fine print business that children’s toys are known for
It's all good. You don't have to agree with Apples' decision, you don't have to agree with my posts.
It's not that I agree with Apples' decision, it's more than I don't see this as a big deal or deal breaker. Everybody has their own view on this and other matters.
Hoping more countries join in on this, and looking forward to the resolution for the many investigations and lawsuits they’re in for this and similar shady business practices.
Apple’s doing business like a young company that waddles in and breaks consumer rights and laws. They need to handle their trillion dollar valuation with more respect
Scientists are still searching for the human being who thinks that there is a “close alternative phone” to an iPhone.
I mean, who is the person who is going to say “welp, yeah, i am an iOS user, that’s where my apps are, I’m in the apple ecosystem, but no charger! So here I come android! I look forward to owning this phone and getting regular OS updates for 6 or 7 months!”
You really can’t fathom the fact that that many people out there (most people actually) prefer Android huh? Like I don’t like Android at all but I’m not about to say something that mega condescending towards the majority of the population. Yikes
This fine is nonsense (imo). The EU criticized Apple for excessive e-waste and here Brazil wants to propagate e-waste. Apple does have to adhere to local laws, but they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. And they should do what they think they need to do, because they will never satisfy every jurisdiction where they do business, every consumer, every observer and critic and most importantly every MacRumors poster at the same time.
I do not agree that Apple is breaking consumer rights and laws.
If a corp wants to sell their products in a country, they have to abide by that country’s rules. Just like devs have to abide by Apple’s App Store rules
Brazil probably needs apple more than apple needs Brazil so they’re free to go to another country if they don’t like it
All I was doing was kindly reminding people that there was another option not mentioned.
I believe I am in agreeement with you about adhering to local laws. I was pointing out the human hypocrisy across countries. Apple isn't pulling the plug on Brazil, nor should they. (That suggestion was to suggest Apple would throw a corporate temper tantrum). If they need to sell the brick in Brazil but pull it from the EU, so be it. They will do that, unless other terms can be negotiated.If a corp wants to sell their products in a country, they have to abide by that country’s rules. Just like devs have to abide by Apple’s App Store rules
Brazil probably needs apple more than apple needs Brazil so they’re free to go to another country if they don’t like it
This is what baffles me when I read comments such as if you don’t like this then change platforms. Apple does not license iOS, Google does license AndroidOS. If I have invested hundreds if not thousands into iOS for me to move to another platform would mean I loose out on those many years. If I was invested in AndroidOS and I don’t like if Google Pixel phone does not offer a power adapter or some form of trade/voucher/code method, I can always choose another vendor. With iPhone if Apple says no to a trade-in/voucher/code for something I am out of luck. Hence I believe many countries hold Apple to a higher standard as it is a closed system. If consumers don’t challenge certain decisions and are informed to go elsewhere which is disguised as choice many forget the investment in apps, media, etc over the years in a particular platform. Granted there are some app vendors that will transfer a platform license but it’s not the norm.
Well that's not where the industry is going no matter how much barking you do. Either accept it or stop buying phones because if you think a bunch MR members whining have that much power of a multi-trillion dollar company then you're giving this forum way too much credit. Forums are perhaps the #1 place companies stay away from when doing market research and it's mainly due to the constant "I wah wah wah Apple to do it my way".I’d rather a trillion dollar corporation include a charger with their electronic product. That’s all. If they really wanna ration what to include with the customer’s own money then that makes them an awful company. In my opinion of course
And the customers ultimately benefit! Hope Canada does this too before I have to buy an iPhone 13
Have some respect. We’re not “whining” we’re advocating for basic consumer rights. And no we don’t have to accept anything - EU didn’t and now look at what their customers get - a full product for the full price. The rest of us really are suckers that get less than they do.
Nobody said posting on here is what would change anything. We’re simply agreeing with Brazil which is what would cause a change at least there. So you’re actually completely wrong, again.
I am not dismissing that you were highlighting other options to charge, however those options come at an additional cost and is more of a convenience rather than a default method. Now once there is no charging port on an iPhone then Qi/MagSafe maybe the only option.
Or we can just adjust and have realistic expectations. You know, and a drawer of old chargers less that get made for the bin.
„Adapter not needed“
- includes a usb-c to lightning cable
if anything, they make more electronic waste by including a cable that doesn’t work with the adapters most people Apple claims to already have
Yeah so Adding to the box makes it greener because a loud fraction don’t already have the stuff lying at home. Got ya. Gets more logical each month you try to bend it that way.
Not everyone has extra chargers. I think the problem here is that some of you can’t fathom that others might live life a little differently and possibly not hoard a bunch of charger bricks.
Not to mention, they got rid of the brick the very same year they changed the brick-facing tip of the cable to USB-C. Tell me if you can - where exactly is that hypothetical drawer of old USB-C charger bricks if they’ve never sold an iPhone with a USB-C charger brick?
That is totally fine if its end up on ebay. Thats exactly my point and you asserting the same. If it ends up on ebay means i didnt use it, means i didn't need it. Someone on ebay will purchase that coupon and will buy that charger if he/she requires it. Again, it asserts my point, charger for someone who needs it.
As for thinking like businessman, yes, they can inlcude the the price for that coupon in the price of the phone, just like as usual they would provide us with the charger, but now instead of charger just provide the coupon. Its just an option. Price is already paid by the customer.
I am thinking maybe a petition submitted to the local level to change local Consumer Protection Law is a good start. EU has done it so has Brazil and there maybe others.Have some respect. We’re not “whining” we’re advocating for basic consumer rights. And no we don’t have to accept anything - EU didn’t and now look at what their customers get - a full product for the full price. The rest of us really are suckers that get less than they do.
Nobody said posting on here is what would change anything. We’re simply agreeing with Brazil which is what would cause a change at least there. So you’re actually completely wrong, again.
It is interesting how nobody mentions the old EarPods thingies anymore. Guess they were just too crappy for our entitlement to catch the fact they’re missing now.
Good idea. I don’t live in a very large city so not sure how much “damage” I can cause from here but it’s always worth a try.
It boggles the mind how many people are willing to throw away their own consumer rights because they’re so deeply in love with a mega corp. apples advertising really does work