They offer a $19 charger you can buy. Plus, if you actually don't need one because you have an older one or other places to plug your phone in, you're not paying for the bundled charger.
This is silly.
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Apple Fined $2 Million in Brazil for Selling iPhones Without Chargers
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They offer a $19 charger you can buy. Plus, if you actually don't need one because you have an older one or other places to plug your phone in, you're not paying for the bundled charger.
This is silly.
Yes this was the knife in the back. They switched the cable they gave out so no ones old chargers would even be useful . That was a truly terrible move.
The water thing is ridiculous. There is no way for Apple to know what you did to get water damage. This is a problem with all water resistance. How to tell if manufactured wrong or you dropped your phone in pool for 16 hours.
This is absolutely not the case. My iPhone 5c charger died this year, and it probably only got perhaps 3-4 years use in total, generally charging once per day. I had an Android device in between.
The incorporation of USB-A (1.0) in the original iMac was to simplify and offer an internet connected computer for everyone. What does that have to do with not including a power adapter is beyond me, the original iMac had a modem and RJ11 cable included along with a PSU built-in with power cord included, KB and Puck Mouse also included. It even offered a method to sign-up with an ISP. All-In-One working out of the box that was the marketing promise. No technician needed.
Please help me understand the comparison you are making.
Would have I preferred my phones came with a USB C charger ? Yes
Does it make any difference other than adding to my stockpile of chargers - No
In any case, whether it was ethically /commercially/ PR/ whatever wise right or wrong of Apple to exclude the charger is debatable.
The fact that a government / govt body imposed a fine on a business for selling something in a form - in a market where said business does not have a monopoly is outright overreach - that part isn‘t really debatable.
So while this may seem like a fun parade of someone sticking it to the man - it is just a spectacle and i find it hard to understand how people want to justify it..
It’s entirely up to the consumer to make a choice of the product he/she wants to buy - Isn’t that one of the fundamentals of a free market?
Does it make any difference other than adding to my stockpile of chargers - No
In any case, whether it was ethically /commercially/ PR/ whatever wise right or wrong of Apple to exclude the charger is debatable.
The fact that a government / govt body imposed a fine on a business for selling something in a form - in a market where said business does not have a monopoly is outright overreach - that part isn‘t really debatable.
So while this may seem like a fun parade of someone sticking it to the man - it is just a spectacle and i find it hard to understand how people want to justify it..
It’s entirely up to the consumer to make a choice of the product he/she wants to buy - Isn’t that one of the fundamentals of a free market?
Why not recycle your stockpile of chargers, what are you saving them for? Are you saying 2020 was a woke moment for Apple and Tim Cook, why not do this sooner? Why was it that in 2019 with iPhone 11 Pro USB-C was a pro feature with included charger and the remaining not and in 2020 it’s a standard, why not omit the charger in 2019 or prior, why not have USB-C to Lightening cables standard in 2019 and prior.
Even a blind person can see it’s financially motivated and Apple is hoping most will eat up its environmental marketing BS RDF.
I sold my iPhone 11 with all its accessories and original box and got an iPhone 12 Pro, why am I spending more for a charger does not matter the cost when my 11 a year prior included it. Now if Apple offered a code to obtain a free charger then I would have no issues with it. Selling it separately is for those looking for a spare or replacement out of warranty power adapter. Why am I being lumped into this demographic?
while I completely agree with what you have written.
I think the main reason I have heard this being done. is to gate people getting more and more throw away items by attaching a price to it. like if it was free. I would def get it even if I didn't need it. but if it cost money I would use something else.
whether that's true...who knows. but I don't agree with the strategy. it would be much better to include it into the package and offer a 20$ discount if you don't want it. just my opinion.
Apple probably made their decision considering both profit margin and the environment because both of these matter to them.
Please read again..
I never said it isn't (or is) financially motivated ..
I never purported to analyse Apple's motivation and ethics (or lack thereof) for that matter...
All I said is that it isn't the Government's business to be dictating such T&C
Now if Apple (or any firm) withheld the information then the Govt has a right to intervene as it would amount to a malafide business practice.
However unbundling a charger from a phone - and making it fairly clear that a charger isn't included is a fair business decision by a firm
Imposing a fine/penalty for making a perfectly legal business decision is not the Government's business..
And like I said, reeks of something akin to a gladiatorial spectacle.
PS: I will not hazard a guess as to whether the decision was financially or environmentally motivated..
However the size for the new shipping boxes will definitely have a sizeable impact on the number of transcontinental shipments that need to be completed to fulfil the sizeable demand for the product so at least there is some truth to the claimed reason
Considering that the agency denied Apple’s request for environmental concerns, that necessitates one discussing the issue to look at Brazil’s attitude towards the environment. Their environmental record indicates they care very little.
Over 90% of people won’t get a separate charger because they already have one.
Yet customers have not been provided the option of either:
a) obtaining a free power adapter; or
b) opt not to receive one and obtain a discount for the power adapter value.
Its the nerve to not provide choice, we all share this planet and we all have a choice in our actions, once that choice is freely given away we have no say/voice as a citizen of Earth. It’s a dangerous road.
Assuming the android device had a USB charger (and most, if not all use USB-C now) then your charger can charge an iPhone with the cable included in the iPhone box.
The only reasons they removed chargers from the box was to make boxes smaller so they could transfer more for same cost and to save money.
Any other reason was just a lie.
This was a cheap move from Apple.at least they shouldn’t have lied about the reason..bringing environment excuse nonsense.
Any other reason was just a lie.
This was a cheap move from Apple.at least they shouldn’t have lied about the reason..bringing environment excuse nonsense.
If the environment mattered to them why bother to include a power adapter in 2019 or prior, why glue everything shut, why remove ports and then sell dongles then later reintroduce them (rumoured).
FYI, I am the owner of an M1 MBA and I have no legacy port requirements such as SD Cards, HDMI (use wireless), etc. I am a very minor exception to that computing rule.
Let Brazil do what it feels is good for its people and economy, is Brazil interjecting what other developed Nations are doing related to they contribution to the environment. Go ask China to do something about the environment before you get the door shut in your face, I think it’s irresponsible for other Nations to place judgement on what developing Nations are doing to better themselves.
You do understand this is a form of racism and prejudice.
Point me to these stats please, given the option to obtain a free charger I assure you the number who opt out will paint a different picture.
I was just saying that if they denied Apple’s request because they don’t think “environmental concerns” are a valid reason to exclude the charger, one might wonder if their attitude on the environment was a factor in the decision. I’m not judging them on anything other than how it applies to this decision.
People love free stuff. They’d ask for the free charger even if they didn’t need it.
Except there maybe warranty issue when using third-party chargers.