I am not a “Gen-Z” technically a “Gen-X” and I feel Apple should offer a trade-in(up)/voucher/credit for removing the power adapter.
I get the business angle - "greed" or "cost savings" etc, whatever. But, it must must be way more substantial savings that any forum commenter estimates then - because if they miscalculate - or mis-read actual consumer sentiment (as opposed for forum or individual personal opinions) it cost them massive loss of business.
These are your opinions about cell phones. Great. That doesn’t mean that it is illegal to sell phones without a charger. That’s what is at issue here, not your personal preference. Is Brazil‘s fine of Apple legal? I doubt it; Apple will almost certainly win if they challenge it.
It’s not included anymore since iPhone 12 was released, however when iPhone 11 Pro was released in 2019 it was.
Ah good to know, I modified the original comment. Thanks for letting me know! Now it’s even more puzzling that they’d retroactively change it but whatever, that’s their choice.
Yes it's my opinion and I'm sharing it, there's no ill intention to that whatsoever. I never said it should be generally illegal to sell phones without a charger, but Brazil has local laws that they have a right to enforce, and I agree with their stance, simple as that. These opinions really shouldn't anger this many people, especially if they claim they're indifferent to the whole thing.
Electric cars can charge with the standard electrical outlet, granted it’s slow just like when Apple included a 5W charger.
Fine, that’s your opinion. But should that be against the law? I don’t think so.
Good to know. So there is actually a way to charge them without additional purchases.
Whether or not it should be legal is entirely up to Brazil, and any country where Apple sells their products. They have to play by the country's rules, just like developers have to play by Apple's for the App Store.
It is WAY slower than that. A car with 100 mile range takes like 20 hours to charge on 120V. The cars with 300 mile ranges take 2 full days to charge…. Imagine if Apple included a charger that took 48 hours to charge your phone…
Apple produces these for under $10 USD but sells it for double, if it costs less than $10 USD why does Apple not offer a trade-in/up, voucher or credit. What’s less than $10 USD to Apple I am sure Apple can find this change on the floor of Apple’s Campus.All this fuss over having to pay for this (if you actually need it):
Size and capacity of a battery will do that, hence many car companies who sell electric vehicle options provide a full or partial credit to install a faster charging option at home.
Yep. Sort of a silly law, because now every Brazilian likely ends up paying more, even those who didn’t need a charger.
Cannot increase the price on included accessories after the fact as it will be in violation. Now that does not stop Apple to do so for iPhone 13 but at that point questions will be raised why it’s not priced according to fair market value with the exception of currency exchange and VAT.
The point is, this is not included…. And yet Sao Paulo’s consumer agency isn’t going after them. This agency actually was already going after Apple because of some people that got water damage in their phones and Apple supposedly wouldn’t cover them under warranty. This looks to be a ramping up of the disagreement.
Arguing for the brick to be included insinuates not charging extra for it. The argument here is that the price of the phone package did not decrease to reflect the removal of hardware from the box. The expectation here is that Apple would include the charger free of charge.
I don’t even know that it’s a law. It is a ruling from a consumer agency made specifically against Apple in 2020. As such, I believe Apple can challenge the agency’s decision... At which point they can compare what other manufacturers are doing, and whether or not the agency is fining other manufacturers or not. If they can show that other phone makers do the same thing, but that only Apple is being targeted, they might prevail in court.
Yes, the practice of not including a charger in a box and selling it separately is being debated as tied selling, which is illegal in Brazil.I don’t even know that it’s a law. It is a ruling from a consumer agency made specifically against Apple in 2020. As such, I believe Apple can challenge the agency’s decision... At which point they can compare what other manufacturers are doing, and whether or not the agency is finding other manufacturers or not. If they can show that other phone makers do the same thing, but that only Apple is being targeted, they might prevail in court.
Apple forced to include charger with iPhone in Sao Paulo | AppleInsider
Apple will be required to bundle a power adapter with iPhone models sold in the Brazilian state of Sao Paulo, despite removing the accessory from the box elsewhere.appleinsider.com
I have a few Brazilian friends and the phone is basically financed at I believe 0% for X amount of years at which point if it’s not paid in full then interest will be charged retroactive. Many Brazilians have their phones for years and some cables like Lightening is not durable, hence if a new phone now comes with a different Lightening cable the old charger if still working is useless.
Of course you can charge more for the phone. Cost of goods just changed. Just like Apple can charge less. Now the agency can determine prices of stuff? Keep in mind, the part number for the phone or box can change and hence, not considered the same item. So, they could in theory.
I know, it's a stretch.
