If Apple is forced to include a charger just to satisfy some legal requirement, I would not expect them to include the larger 18 watt charger any more. I would expect them to return to including the 5 watt charger.
Yup, I am saying that the 5 watt charger works just fine. If it was OK for them before, it is likely to still be OK. I have not used 5 watt chargers for my iPhone for years. I bought higher wattage chargers and multi-port chargers because it mattered to me.
Actually, I read somewhere that there is no such law in Brazil. Apple will likely win the appeal. Kindles, wireless earphones and other electronics have always shipped without a charging brick..
Apple does not recycle them because the environmental impact substantially exceeds the value. Apple recycles iPhones because there are enough valuable items in an iPhone to make recycling it have a net environmental benefit as well as being financially break even or better.
They are not superior nor are they better for the environment. They are just different. The 5w chargers are smaller and waste less power so make sense in certain places, for certain applications. That they still sell them, and do so at the same price as the others, indicates that people want to purchase them. In the store, Apple’s team members will steer people into the faster chargers unless they have a reason for the 5 watt. At the point that people stop buying them, Apple will stop making them.
The function and physical dimensions are different than the 12W charger. So if saving the environment comes at the expense of reduced consumer choice, we can look across entire industries, reduce duplication (according to your definition) and do a +1 for the environment. Less TV choices, less car choices, less appliance choices, etc.
MfI Lightning cables should have a chip in the lightning end, and the connector tends not to be copper either, so not just copper and plastic.
It's my guess there was never an assumption that 100% of the iphone 12 buyers had a previous charger (and/or cable) that could be used with the iphone 12. I'm guessing it was more of an assumption that a large percentage of buyers had a charger (and/or cable) that could be used with the iphone 12. Or alternatively, there are USB ports in ones' house that may be located on a computer, within a wall socket, another type of battery device such as a boom box, etc.Count me in among those without an existing charger. I have USB-C charger for macs, but I don't plan on sharing that with an iPhone. I do have iPhone 11 (yes the cheap one
In that detail, yes true. I stand corrected.....I was thinking just generic cablesMfI Lightning cables should have a chip in the lightning end, and the connector tends not to be copper either, so not just copper and plastic.
Doesn’t the included Lightning to USB-C cable supply the necessary interface?
I can't think of the last time I used one of those. They are all still in the boxes from the iPhones...but that is just me. I keep a spare block from my 13" MacBook Pro in my backpack with a few different cables (lightning, USB-C and AW) At home I use an Anker 5 port charger by the bed and I'm good.
The problem with your argument is that Apple has not really increased profitability. Their margins have been about the same for a very long time.
Just to be clear, that results in constantly raising prices, right? Is that what you are advocating? Tim Cook has been a bad CEO because he has not raised the price of Apple gear enough?
When has Apple cut features that reduced their costs without adding other features that increased them?
The replacement for the physical home button was more expensive that the button it replaced. It was done to eliminate water and dust ingress points. Also too less space that could be filled by more valuable things.
You are actually arguing that the benefit of removing the headphone jack was cost? Wow, that is the first time I have seen that. The cost was so low as to be trivial, while the cost and engineering to make it water and dust tight would have been substantial. This would not move the needle on the financial reports.
At the same time as adding a very expensive feature while keeping the price the same. I guess you would have been happier if they had raised the price, as that would have increased profitability.
The only feature that was unique to the Mac Book Pro from a decade ago that is gone is the magsafe port. HDMI, USB-A and the SD card slot where (and still are) common on PC laptops. What was not common on PC laptops was two thunderbolt ports. Now we have 4 thunderbolt ports that are more expensive than the USB-A, HDMI and SD card slot they replaced. They are also much more flexible and for many “real professionals” (the ones we keep hearing need USB-A) make things possible that were not before. Replacing two USB-C/4/Thunderbolt 3 ports with the ports they replaced eliminates flexibility and would probably be a net cost reduction for Apple.
I am sure Mr. Cook is happy knowing you like him. The company’s margins have remained quite consistent. It has made more money because it has done what you want: added features that has raised prices, and introduced new products that people want to buy, all while increasing the sheer number and volume of products they sell. Glad that they guy at the top is good in operations. Many companies have failed because they could not scale their operations.
I have a few powering some small USB devices, just not my iPhones.
Probably true for many others.
Many other iPhone users also have other devices like Apple watches that use USB chargers and so go for multi-port ones. As @I7guy pointed out, the number of people who have no way of charging their newly purchased iPhone with an Apple included charger approaches zero.
Glad you found a device you like better. That is why a free market is a good thing. Think of all the time you can save now that you do not need to care about Apple any more and stop reading and posting here. I am sure you can find a Samsung Rumors on which to spend your time.
Do you think that it was ”included free”? Apple charged for it, they just made it part of the price. By unbundling it, they have actually lowered the price for those people who do not need it. This is an even bigger benefit for people with less disposable income.
You clearly don't know how greedy people can be, you make it free and you might as well include it, no one is going to give up a free charger even if they don't need it. Why don't you think they took the $ off the iPhone price after they removed the charger instead?
Just so I understand, where did she go to purchase this device?
Not really usual. Most people do not sell or trade in their phones, of those that do, most do not include the cables.
That's a drag. I am shocked that no sales person mentioned the lack of charger to her, given that they always try to sell those even before this was changed. However, I am curious do you think I should have to pay $20 more to prevent this from happening?
Particularly given that I have never seen a clerk in any store sell a phone (from any brand) and not try to sell accessories. Someone should talk to the clerk's manager as they are definitely leaving money on the table (and creating a bad customer experience)!
Why? What other items should they be required to give you if you need it? You understand that if they offer it (even only to those who request it), it means those to do not need it are subsiding those who do, and that it encourages people to ask for it even if they do not need it as "they already paid for it."
Again, why is this ridiculous? You can also use the charger from your MacBook Pro, as well as purchase a new one. Given that you have a new enough MacBook Pro that charges using USB-C, you might want to look at getting a multi-port USB C charger that would let you charge both directly.
You can add me to the list of people who had the one charger and cable and didn't buy extras. I've owned 3 iPhones prior to my current 12 Pro and sold the charger and cable with all 3 phones. I bought an Anker USB-A to Lightning cable for my 12 Pro as I had a spare 10W iPad charger.
My office downstairs has 2 battery packs, 3 usb-a to lightning cables and a computer with 3 ports in the front, along with 2 12v chargers. Kitchen has a 5 watt charger and cable. Living has a 5 watt charger and 20 foot cable. Each bedroom has at least one 5 watt charger and cable and in addition, my side of the bed has a wireless charger. I can even plug my iphone into my cable box to charge it and my sony boom box has a 5w 1a usb-a outlet on it.
Those outlets are so convenient.
Fair enough. My sister has built in USB outlets in some of the sockets in her house. I live with my parents and the sockets are all standard ones. When I do get my own place I won't be adding in built in USB outlets as I don't like the idea of building power supplies into a wall where they can potentially fail and are not removable from the mains supply without replacing the entire socket.
In our house we have 3 smartphones, 2 tablets, a desktop PC and a Macbook Pro. If my personal charger goes wrong and I need to charge my phone I'll just use another brick. If the cable breaks I can order one from Amazon and get it next day or go to the supermarket 2 miles up the road and get one within the hour.