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Why no one really cares about Kindles and headphones coming without charging bricks? Why is this such a huge issue when Apple does it? Apple has done a lot of stupid **** over the years, but this is one that I believe is not just about the money.
It's easier to attack the precedent of such moves by the most visible brands of the world if you want to actively discourage others to follow suit.

It's a shame political entities behave this way, but that's how they've consistently behave about such things for years. Most average people behave this way tooo, especially with how they've suddenly ganged up on internet companies about privacy stuff that has been prevalent with the internet (arguably how it fundamentally works like cookies) for decades.
 
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A fine this massive is no doubt going to give timmy fits. Lol this is chump change.
When Apple gets fined, who do you think pays the cost? The money comes from one of four sources:
  1. Apple’s customers (they raise prices in the market to make up for it).​
  2. Apple’s suppliers (they force lower prices to make up for it).​
  3. Apple’s employees (they cut salaries or do not provide raises/bonuses to make up for it).​
  4. Apple’s shareholders (cutting dividends or seeing a lower earnings lowering their share price).​
This fine being so small might just come out of the shareholder’s pockets (as it might not be worth Apple’s costs to try to pass it on. However, a larger fine definitely is paid for by the customers in the territory with higher prices.
 
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packaging becomes smaller = cheaper
more fit in shipping pallet = cheaper
do not have to provide them with phone = cheaper
will not recycle their own adapter/cables = not great for environment
not producing as many adapters = slight positive environmental impact

sounds alot like a calculate moved to me. another reason to be asked which cable your using when you issues arise with your phone. they will gladly recycle phones with precious metals in them but draw the line at the the worthless adapters....you know...for the environment.

calculated move , about money.
That's a pretty cynical standpoint to say it's mostly for the money & calculated; that said, of course money is a selling point of the move and it's a calculated. They're a business, not a charity. Being a global business dependent on stakeholders, they of course have to be calculated with their decision making in order for it to be executed & reacted to positively + efficiently.
 
packaging becomes smaller = cheaper
more fit in shipping pallet = cheaper
do not have to provide them with phone = cheaper
will not recycle their own adapter/cables = not great for environment
not producing as many adapters = slight positive environmental impact

sounds alot like a calculate moved to me. another reason to be asked which cable your using when you issues arise with your phone. they will gladly recycle phones with precious metals in them but draw the line at the the worthless adapters....you know...for the environment.

calculated move , about money.
packaging becomes smaller = you can ship twice as much iPhones = less trips = great for environment.
not producing as many adapters = 200 million less adapters = 5000t less waste. Slight positive impact? Are you sure?
 
packaging becomes smaller = you can ship twice as much iPhones = less trips = great for environment.
not producing as many adapters = 200 million less adapters = 5000t less waste. Slight positive impact? Are you sure?
yea , definitely slight. you realize how much plastic the world uses in 1 day alone ? plastic bags , bottles alone i bet are 300x that amount.

same argument with introducing carbon reduction measures. USA and canada / UK carbon reduction measures are useless when all the items you buy are made in china where they producing more carbon than the rest of the world. carbon reduction also a massive money grab.
 
yea , definitely slight. you realize how much plastic the world uses in 1 day alone ? plastic bags , bottles alone i bet are 300x that amount.
Sure, companies shouldn't do anything because look, there is an even bigger problem over there. That's a great argument.
 
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packaging becomes smaller = cheaper
With less environmental impact in manufacturing and transport.
more fit in shipping pallet = cheaper
Which cuts environmental impact.
do not have to provide them with phone = cheaper
Again cutting environmental impact for the hundreds of millions of users that do not need yet another useless charging brick.
will not recycle their own adapter/cables = not great for environment
There is no effective way to recycle these items. The financial cost and environmental impact of recovering the materials that could be reused from these devices far outweighs the value and environmental impact of doing so. The best way to benefit the environment is to just not produce more of them that people do not need.
not producing as many adapters = slight positive environmental impact
Huge environmental impact: less stuff needs to be mined, moved and eventually put into a landfill.
sounds alot like a calculate moved to me.
As opposed to a random one? Of course they consider all the costs and environmental impacts (environmental costs) when they decide to do sometime.
another reason to be asked which cable your using when you issues arise with your phone.
I have no idea what you mean here.
they will gladly recycle phones with precious metals in them
Simply because the financial and environmental benefit exceeds the costs.
but draw the line at the the worthless adapters....you know...for the environment.
Yup, it is for the environment. Trying to remove the small amount of material that can be reused, would generate substantially more environmental impact than would would be saved by reusing the material.
calculated move , about money.
Probably more environmental impact than financial impact either way. Again, when Apple lowers their costs customers win either with lower prices or more features. Why is this so hard to understand?
 
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It's easier to attack the precedent of such moves by the most visible brands of the world if you want to actively discourage others to follow suit.
Amazon is not a visible brand? They first did this years ago and no one cared. Lots of others followed suit and no one cared. Now Apple has done it and people go nuts. Seems a bit late to discourage others, but again, why do you want to encourage others to make things more expensive and less environmental friendly?
especially with how they've suddenly ganged up on internet companies about privacy stuff that has been prevalent with the internet (arguably how it fundamentally works like cookies) for decades.
Sorry, cross site tracking cookies have not been around for decades, they are relatively new. Why do you think that it is a problem that Apple (and in some cases governments) are forcing companies to disclose what data they gather and to ask for consent from their customers to do so? No one is preventing them for doing this, they are just making sure it is public. If this has enough impact on their revenue, they can either start to charge for their services or require that anyone who will not pay enable this tracking, but either solution is more transparent.
 
Yeah nice try there, there are many people out there who aren’t in a massive family and happen to take issue with the fact their 1400 Canadian dollar phone doesn’t contain a way to charge it even though it costs more than all the previous iPhones which did ship with charger bricks.

People will complain as is their right with their purchase of a product this expensive.

BS to assume that the poor are buying 1400 CAD phones. But sure everyone picks their own poison. Some poor attempt to buy a Rolls but that doesn’t make them cheaper either.

Wow the logic. Leave in your means. Next.
 
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What are you even on? I literally had 6 chargers still in old iPhone / iPad boxes myself. You’re taking what I said right out of context, but let’s just scrap that for a second because more importantly...

If you don’t have a charger for a phone and can’t afford to spend $20 on one, then don’t buy a phone costing you $1400. People shouldn’t be complaining in that context they should be getting a financial education! Hope this life advice helps because you must be in a heck of a debt right now! Good luck!

Well said. Common sense isn’t that common anymore.
 
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That is my opinion yes, thanks for rephrasing it. I’d expect them to re-add the USB-C charger brick and keep it in the box for at least a few years so that USB-C bricks reach ubiquity. Not cut them one year after introducing them like everybody buys a new phone every year.

Good luck with that.
 
I can't wait til EU starts fining Apple for not including a USB-C interface for charging.

Apple must be forced to do the right thing for consumers.

Just not happening as plenty devices are sold without chargers and the consumer is well in the know and capable of reading the box.
 
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To bad we all don’t have a usb c adapter and pretty sure most of us don’t. Super cheap on apples part not to mention the headphones abs test I have AirPods already but on long trips I don’t use em I used the corded ones

What’s the headphones abs test?
The EarPods are crap. Let them be gone forever. Like most included headphones are in my experience that, plain terrible.
 
They should've included a redemption code with every iPhone so that if you need or want a charger, you can pick one up for free. It's currently sold for $19.99 which is a lot for many countries. That difference can change the buying decision for people in developing countries.
Ok this is a great idea - probably the best suggestion I've heard regarding the way Apple could have handled this! Give consumers the option, allow people to get it for free still, and hopefully keep the overall price lower for the rest of us.
 
I am not buying that line from Apple. lol It's really about being able to get more phones on a pallet for shipping purposes, in my opinion.
As far as product goes, there is a hard way and an easy way to increase profitability. The hard way is developing features to increase the products perceived value with each passing year. The easy way is, once the product has established a baseline value in the market, cut costs however you can while keeping the price the same until you see a sharp decline in customers. Physical buttons, gone. headphones, gone. Headphone jack assembly, gone. Charger, gone. Same approach to the Macbook pro. Compared to a MBP from a decade ago, all the unique (and costly) features that made it a hit have been shaved off.

I personally like Tim Cook just fine, but can’t deny he is a bean counter, and both the hardware the company produces, as well as the companies profitability show the effects of it.
 
Ok this is a great idea - probably the best suggestion I've heard regarding the way Apple could have handled this! Give consumers the option, allow people to get it for free still, and hopefully keep the overall price lower for the rest of us.
They might do something for a limited time or for anybody that may have bought the iphone 12 up until a decision is rendered, but going forward, consumers will pay for the "privilege" of having a charger in the box.
 
„Adapter not needed“

- includes a usb-c to lightning cable 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

if anything, they make more electronic waste by including a cable that doesn’t work with the adapters most people Apple claims to already have 😅
Cables are not E-waste. They are just copper and plastic, normal recycle
 
Apple put removing the charger is an environmental benefit. On the whole it is as of course you can make the phone boxes smaller which gets more on a pallet meaning lower shipping costs. Plus reducing the amount of chargers being made that Apple won't recycle due to cost, despite recycling in general not being cost effective compared to making products from raw materials.

What I find funny though with so many people on this forum saying the 5W chargers are useless is the fact that Apple still makes and sells it along with the 12W USB-A and 20W USB-C chargers and they all sell for the same price. If Apple was really environmentally conscious they would have stopped making the 5W brick when the 12 series came out as you can get two far superior chargers from them for the same price.
 
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To be fair it's a valid reason… for existing iPhone users. The execution is poor, but the reason for many of their customers makes sense.

Why do I need *another* cable & power adapter when I just want a newer iPhone? That's a waste of resources. What they need to do, as many suggested, ask people if they want one included.

I'm sure they'd like to avoid 2 SKUs for each iPhone to have a charger or not, but they kinda have to it seems with individual countries fighting back about this move by them.

It's telling Android competitors are doing the same. From an environmental impact, doing things like they were before was woefully environmentally irresponsible; same goes for any product that upgrades yearly.

Whether that's GPUs & etc.

Because the newer iPhone's comes with better chargers than older iPhone's. My iPhone 11 Pro Max came with a fast charger for example which older iPhone's did not.

So you are saying that people should be using their much slower chargers from their iPhone X/8/6S?
 
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One of the reasons why I changed from using iPhone to using a Galaxy S20 plus, got dissapointed by Apple.
And by doing so I realized this phone is actually better, Apple stopped giving me reasons to upgrade since the X.
 
Apple put removing the charger is an environmental benefit. On the whole it is as of course you can make the phone boxes smaller which gets more on a pallet meaning lower shipping costs. Plus reducing the amount of chargers being made that Apple won't recycle due to cost, despite recycling in general not being cost effective compared to making products from raw materials.

What I find funny though with so many people on this forum saying the 5W chargers are useless is the fact that Apple still makes and sells it along with the 12W USB-A and 20W USB-C chargers and they all sell for the same price. If Apple was really environmentally conscious they would have stopped making the 5W brick when the 12 series came out as you can get two far superior chargers from them for the same price.
The physical dimensions of the 5w charger are different than the other two, and for some that could make a difference. I'm all for trying to do a solid for the environment in any way, shape or form possible, but reducing customer choice is not really the way to go about it.
 
The physical dimensions of the 5w charger are different than the other two, and for some that could make a difference. I'm all for trying to do a solid for the environment in any way, shape or form possible, but reducing customer choice is not really the way to go about it.
It's not really reducing customer choice when other reputable companies make similar chargers to the Apple 5W for a lower price.
 
So you are saying that people should be using their much slower chargers from their iPhone X/8/6S?
I am using charging bricks from iPhone 4s and iPhone 5s... Never knew I shouldn't use them anymore. Should I throw them out if they are still perfectly fine and working?
 
One of the reasons why I changed from using iPhone to using a Galaxy S20 plus, got dissapointed by Apple.
And by doing so I realized this phone is actually better, Apple stopped giving me reasons to upgrade since the X.
Haha, did you not see that Samsung shipped their S21 lineup without a charging brick as well?
 
I use my iPhone 11 Pro Max charger for my iPad Air 1 gen and it charges great. Use the old Apple charger for my 11. :D
 
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