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Apple Fined Another 5 Million Euros by Dutch Competition Regulator Over Dating App Payment Requirements

PC_tech said:
I don't care, they paid the fee, that's a fact.
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You realize that Epic also charge a commission in their own store while suing Apple at the same time right?

These developers are just greedy for not willing to pay Apple their commission.

And 99 euro is a joke for a company like Tinder. That is not a fair commission that Tinder has to pay to Apple for using their platform.
 
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huge_apple_fangirl said:
Apple wouldn't be in this situation if they'd ever bothered to remember: just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Like, just because you can enact a 30% tax on all digital commerce on your platform doesn't mean it's a good idea. It makes for negative developer relations, antagonistic relationships with regulators, and is a selfish way of giving back to the more open tech industry that enabled Apple to succeed (imagine if Apple had to give 30% of iTunes revenue to Microsoft!). Maybe the impact of those things is harder to measure than billions of dollars in the bank, but those things do matter.
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They are in this situation is because they are so damn popular and todays regulatory whipping boy. If it weren’t this it would be that. Apple in the US has done nothing illegal.
 
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UBS28 said:
You realize that Epic also charge a commission in their own store while suing Apple at the same time right?

These developers are just greedy for not willing to pay Apple their commission.
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You realize that EPIC does not have monopoly/duopoly, nor anticompetitively blocks you from developing with Unity3D, and even supports other GameEngines like Goddot.
 
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It's "euro", not "euros". At least in german, normally, you don't add the plural s to Euro after a sum (ie 5 million euro, and not 5 million euros).
 
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PC_tech said:
What you don't seem to understand is Apple isn't a petty forum member, they have shareholders to answer to, stop with the pull out BS, it's getting stupid now.
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So Apple's shareholders like the fact that they are getting fined millions? huh That's interesting, I would think a company I invest in should be making money, not losing it by getting fined.
 
Jared Strike said:
So Apple's shareholders like the fact that they are getting fined millions? huh That's interesting, I would think a company I invest in should be making money, not losing it by getting fined.
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I would think a company you invest in would not be anticompetitive but here we are and defending them is, well, sick :rolleyes:
 
I7guy said:
They are in this situation is because they are so damn popular and todays regulatory whipping boy. If it weren’t this it would be that. Apple in the US has done nothing illegal.
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True, they are at this situation because they got damn popular a.k.a. monopoly/duopoly.
And also because they always have been a thorn in the side with e.g. their shady “Double Irish With A Dutch Sandwich” tax avoidance methods, in my opinion that’s also something that must be punished by law and probably next on the list.
 
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Just charge a per download price, and then the company can do what they want with payment. Make it hurt!
 
huge_apple_fangirl said:
It makes for negative developer relations, antagonistic relationships with regulators, and is a selfish way of giving back to the more open tech industry that enabled Apple to succeed (imagine if Apple had to give 30% of iTunes revenue to Microsoft!). Maybe the impact of those things is harder to measure than billions of dollars in the bank, but those things do matter.
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Developer relegations can’t have been TOO negative and relationships with regulators can’t have been TOO antagonistic because this is essentially how Apple’s been running their platform for years. I mean, on day one, if developers were like “OH HECK NO! THESE APPLE GUYS ARE INSANE!” then we wouldn’t have gotten to be where we are today. If, right after the App Store was announced, regulators chimed in with how unfair it is, again, we’d never have gotten here. So, at one point, everything was not only fine, it wasn’t even worth even the most cursory review by any regulator anywhere.
 
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Developer relegations can’t have been TOO negative and relationships with regulators can’t have been TOO antagonistic because this is essentially how Apple’s been running their platform for years. I mean, on day one, if developers were like “OH HECK NO! THESE APPLE GUYS ARE INSANE!” then we wouldn’t have gotten to be where we are today. If, right after the App Store was announced, regulators chimed in with how unfair it is, again, we’d never have gotten here. So, at one point, everything was not only fine, it wasn’t even worth even the most cursory review by any regulator anywhere.
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At this time this wasn’t relevant, with a larger userbase and market power things change, simply as that.

If i remember correctly the new EU laws will finally tackle companies with a 500k+ userbase.
 
huge_apple_fangirl said:
Obviously they don't "happily pay 30% to Apple" or else they wouldn't be complaining to regulators.
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No, they happily pay it. The vast majority are happily pulling in tens of thousands a month and all they have to do is bug fix and tweak their code every now and then, maybe compile and supply new bitcode to the App Store near an OS release, etc. If they’re feeling REALLY adventurous, they’re posting on Instagram, Reddit, etc. about their app to drive more folks to discover and purchase it.

You’d assume that EVERY developer that’s complaining would also have joined Epics “Coalition for App Fairness”. Doesn’t take much to join PLUS would send a clear message to Apple as to how many developers are truly upset. If you check the list of developers there, it doesn’t even add up to .1% of all developers on the platform. No one should mistake the loud protestations of the few to be the view of all developers or even a significant number of developers (most complaining aren’t even developers). You’ll see a developer every now and then say, “Nah, it’s a good deal” but I can imagine how it’s not worth saying they are happy” knowing that a mob will come along telling them, in many points, how they CAN’T possibly be happy.
 
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Stratus Fear said:
First, that text isn't even a contract. Second, that literally does not bind Apple to how they allocate their funds internally. At all. Thinking that this means that all that is exclusively supported via an access fee (which is what the $99/yr is) is some really weird, convoluted logic. Apple themselves have admitted that paid apps subsidize free apps, so if the sales commission was pure profit as some here think, and Apple was forced to get rid of it entirely, one of two things would end up happening; Apple would give up on the App Store (unlikely), or (more likely) that fee would increase in price several-fold. Which unfortunately would likely squeeze out a lot of developers that primarily do free apps. I've already seen Safari extension devs complain about paying $99/yr just to publish free extensions (and I don't blame them). Imagine if sales commission went away and devs suddenly had to pay, I dunno, just spitballing, but maybe $499/yr for dev program access? There'd definitely be attrition there.
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I have never claim they are bound to only use the 99$ fee for the tools. But this is what apple advertise. And advertisement of goods and services are included in the contract unless explicitly described.

Nowhere in apples contracts or website do they say the commission goes to paying for the use of all the tools, resources, and support you need to develop and distribute apps, including access to beta software, app services, testing tools, app analytics, and more
As long as they describe it on their website where you enroll they are legally restrained for those who sign up with this information. I have president my evidence clearly, you have not but disagreed
 
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draugminaion said:
It will be the same as for meal delivery services. In the Netherlands few people use credit cards, the app will use a service like iDeal that redirects them to their bank‘s website or app where they log in to make the payment. It will be fine.
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Today when I make a purchase in the Skip the Dishes App, I pay via Apple Pay, Apple does not get 30% of the food purchase. Apple is not asking for a 30% fee on physical goods.
 
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