No, they are not. They are free to allocate revenue toward their costs as they see fit.
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Apple Fined Another 5 Million Euros by Dutch Competition Regulator Over Dating App Payment Requirements
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So they’re going to tackle Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo… and, I’d imagine this will be a chill to EU companies. If you get popular enough to have over 500k users, new restrictions go into place that makes maintaining that larger userbase untenable. ALL these rules are doing is to ensure the longevity and preeminence of the big companies that are currently in place. The big boys will complain, but, in private will happily pay the huge fines knowing that, at least in the EU, they don’t have to worry about any new competition coming along.
Moving to a traditional retail/wholesale model is one option for Apple. Pay a per-user price to the developer, then Apple can set the price they want to sell the app for. They can discount some, mark some up quite a bit, or distribute at a loss. It would remove the ability for devs to set the purchase price, but they would be able to set the wholesale price. If it's reasonable, Apple will likely pay it.
Another option, that may be in addition to the wholesale model, would be to monetize dev tools, the way MS does with VS. The platform is profitable enough for many devs to pay more to be on iOS. It would potentially harm smaller devs though.
The other option would be to embrace third-party stores, shut down the App Store as it is today, and move entirely over to the subscription model. Apple negotiates with devs to get versions without ads, IAPs, or subscriptions, and offers them to end users for a monthly subscription.
Even if this goes through, Apple still has plenty of options. What I think they are pushing for though is to get regulators to either admit that it isn't about payment processing fees, and to try and get them to admit that they just don't like the fact that Apple makes a metric f--kton of cash.
America first. everyone after.Probably, as there are non-US members of MacRumors… actually, that’s just an assumption, I don’t know the geographic spread in reality.
The approx last 10 Apple Developer Conferences has been a joke, more of a end-consumer product introduction than a decent developer conference.
So no third party app stores ? One store from the phone manufacturer (Apple) and another from the OS Vendor (Apple). That is what we have today.
When Apple has paid their 50 million Dollars. The Netherlands will issue the next fine for another 50 million for dating apps as apple still is not compliant and another 500 million for another type of app for example meditation apps. And start a complaint with the EU.
Apple will never „win“ here in any way. EU governments don’t like not being taken serious. As those big tech companies are all US based and hardly pay any taxes compared to the profit made in de EU there is not much of a lobby for big tech in the EU.
Apple will never „win“ here in any way. EU governments don’t like not being taken serious. As those big tech companies are all US based and hardly pay any taxes compared to the profit made in de EU there is not much of a lobby for big tech in the EU.
I don’t see other app stores being a thing. As a developer, if apple is forced to use alternative app stores I’d just go side loading. Why pay someone else for hosting when you can do it better yourself and for less. Plus what’s the point of having a conference for other stores it’s not like your developing for a different hardware on another store. If anything there would be less developer conference with more app stores.
It’s a membership fee. For priveliged access to software
Apple have never stated what they subsidize in/off the store. Before AppStore hit break even it was subsidized by hardware sales.
They will never be forced to get rid of their sales commission. Only their out of store claim after the first sale already happened
Well that’s up to apple. It will just make play store more competitive.
Indeed and I do feel bad for them. And a good example of people who should be excepted. Just look at Firefox and chrome thriving extension market compared to the dead safari market
Well if apple want to kill the store intentionally they might do that. Apple will in 100% of cases keep their commission on first sale. After first sale it will trigger the exhaustion directive essentially abolishing apple claim of ownership/ distribution right of the app and developers should have the ability to use competitive solutions.
Apple could actually take a small fee for downloads instead. Perhaps spitballing 0.1cent of every download of apps with a price between 1-10$ with IAP and a 15-30% commission of first sale.
15-30% commission on any app with a 10$ or more store price irrespective of IAP ability. And 0 commissions for apps with no price, no Add revenue and no IAP ability
This sounds competitive, apple gets a nice share and developers get a great deal. A win win
Not to be pedantic, but that is a quote from a web page advertising the program. It is not at all legally binding.Oops sorry me wrong link here you have it easy and clear
Litteraly from the horses mouth.
Apple Developer Program - Apple Developer
Join the Apple Developer Program to reach customers around the world on the App Store for iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple TV, Apple Vision Pro, and Apple Watch.developer.apple.com
Join the Apple Developer Program to reach customers around the world on the App Store for iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple Watch, Apple TV, and iMessage. Membership includes all the tools, resources, and support you need to develop and distribute apps, including access to beta software, app services, testing tools, app analytics, and more.
An just for 99/year
And from your own link. Click on "what's included" and scroll down to App Store. You will find this little nugget:
- Keep 70% of your sales proceeds (85% if you’re enrolled in the App Store Small Business Program or News Partner Program) and 85% for qualifying subscriptions.
That is right, it is not. But can company that is just processing money transaction help developers with scammers?
Your answer is just 50% of the story. You need another 50% as well.
Distinction without a difference.
It was pretty much implied during the entirety of the Epic v Apple trial.
I don't think so either. It was a hypothetical.
I don't think Apple is going to lose their commission. That's not likely something to ever be government regulated; other measures would be taken first. Personally, I don't find their Netherlands proposal to be objectionable.
Oh the consumer pays the VAT tax on any goods sold and the company collect this and provide it to the state.
Every goods transaction have VAT you must pay but can reclaim so you end up with the final consumer paying the VAT.
All the apple products and employees in Netherlands or EU overall is close to 0%.
Apple have evaded taxes by abusing tax loopholes to pay about 1~% of all revenue made in EU In Ireland. This is money no member state see and would literally make more money if consumers bought anything but iPhones.
Two but I’ve been there overall 4 times, then i decided to stop wasting my time with it. I got the whole trips and tickets paid. Well, at least i had a great time around in Cali. I used to stay 1-2 more weeks. All pre Corona, two with Jobs, time flies :/ , and two with Mr. Crook. The Jobs ones were fine.
Simply because they don’t have the use-case. If needed they could install other stores, it’s currently a bit complicated but possible, and Google is also being sued for good, don’t expect me to side with Google if this was your intention. 🤣
The reason for that is during jobs apple was still expanding the MacOS userbase and trying to gain more users and so needed devs to actually know about features and things bring brought in that they can use and take advantage of.
Since then the focus is on services so the dev thing is more so just announcing consumer end features and not about learning about them or ground breaking new features.
And? They charge less than apple and allow alternative payment with 0% commission
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I’m just saying apple is the only greedy ones here
Microsoft does charge Epic for Xbox commission along with Sony and Nintendo. Are they greedy too? Somehow they aren't being sued by Epic.And? They charge less than apple and allow alternative payment with 0% commission
And Microsoft allowes epic in the windows store for free and no commissionEpic Games Store implements in-game purchases for third-parties
The Epic Games Store has updated its policy to allow its third-party developers and publishers to implement in-game pur…
I’m just saying apple is the only greedy ones here
Should everything should just be free? Why even have money? Sounds like the end result here.
Well, new EU regulations might affect them, too.
Anyway, game consoles are not multipurpose devices like mobile phones, and also not indispensable and deeply integrated into multiple cross tied business areas like mobile phones are.