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On what intellectual level is leaving a market the move here? This is the kind of idiotic suggestion that, if Tim Cook ever actually uttered out loud, would have his leadership stripped from the Apple Board.

If you ever run a company please let us, here on the Forum know which one, so that we can adjust our portfolios accordingly.
Apple did it with Fortnite and they are doing very well.
 
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Hey should apple do something not required by law?
Apple wouldn't be in this situation if they'd ever bothered to remember: just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Like, just because you can enact a 30% tax on all digital commerce on your platform doesn't mean it's a good idea. It makes for negative developer relations, antagonistic relationships with regulators, and is a selfish way of giving back to the more open tech industry that enabled Apple to succeed (imagine if Apple had to give 30% of iTunes revenue to Microsoft!). Maybe the impact of those things is harder to measure than billions of dollars in the bank, but those things do matter.
 
Agree ^^

Also, Apple has just become so financially successful that they've detached from most noble intentions

The horse is out of the barn and I don't know if it's really salvageable.
Regulation is probably the only hope at this point.

The money has become so staggering, that no amount of idealism will be enough to make real substantive change.
 
Apple wouldn't be in this situation if they'd ever bothered to remember: just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Like, just because you can enact a 30% tax on all digital commerce on your platform doesn't mean it's a good idea. It makes for negative developer relations, antagonistic relationships with regulators, and is a selfish way of giving back to the more open tech industry that enabled Apple to succeed (imagine if Apple had to give 30% of iTunes revenue to Microsoft!). Maybe the impact of those things is harder to measure than billions of dollars in the bank, but those things do matter.

Please, all developers happily pay 30% to Apple, because the iOS platform is the most profitable platform there is.

Do you honestly believe those greedy developers who want to access to Apple consumers (who pay the most) for free, will lower their prices by 30% if they don’t have to pay 30% anymore. They will keep prices the same.
 
Do you honestly believe those greedy developers who want to access to Apple consumers (who pay the most) for free, will lower their prices by 30% if they don’t have to pay 30% anymore. Think again.

Oh yes -- the "greedy developers"
Thats' totally it..

:rolleyes:
/s
 
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No, apple proclaims that training users to enter their Mastercard and visa credentials into pop-ups after clicking a website link is not a safe idea. And they're right. Right now I trust my parents no to f*ck stuff up on the iPad and iPhones I bought for them and thus far they never have and they seem to digitally thrive on those. If any app can have links to third party websites to buy whatever, then I don't think I can trust them anymore and I think they won't dare to buy stuff anymore either.
Do you parents buy anything from Amazon? Or Comet? Grocery shopping online? Do they *always* use Apple Pay??
 
Please, all developers happily pay 30% to Apple, because the iOS platform is the most profitable platform there is.
Obviously they don't "happily pay 30% to Apple" or else they wouldn't be complaining to regulators.
Do you honestly believe those greedy developers who want to access to Apple consumers (who pay the most) for free, will lower their prices by 30% if they don’t have to pay 30% anymore. Think again.
When did I say Apple not demanding a commission will lead to lower prices? You're right, it probably won't. What I said was that it is a bad thing for Apple to have this kind of developer relations. Maybe Apple hasn't been hurt by it yet but they could be in the future.
 
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Oh yes -- the "greedy developers"
Thats' totally it..

:rolleyes:
/s

Yes, they are greedy developers. They want to make money of the most profitable customers (Apple users) which Apple created.

30% commission is not too bad considering that Apple users pay more than Android users.
 
Apple did it with Fortnite and they are doing very well.

Fortnite, Netherlands, give me a minute to check on something...



.... Nope, not even remotely the same thing.

This is pretty much the definition of a false equivalency.

My previous statement stands; if you ever run a company, please let us know so we can short your stock.
 
Oops sorry me wrong link here you have it easy and clear
Litteraly from the horses mouth.

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Oooooops!
 
Please, all developers happily pay 30% to Apple, because the iOS platform is the most profitable platform there is.

Do you honestly believe those greedy developers who want to access to the Apple consumers (who pay the most) for free, will looser their prices by 30% if they don’t have to pay 30% anymore. Think again.

These greedy dating apps want to have the front row seats with paying the price of admission for it. You got to pay to play.
Dream on (all)LOL, they pay 30% +99$€£ because there is no way around the Apple Mafia. How can you say “all” if actually there are developers suing Apple.

Anyway, many of them don’t raise their voices, because they fear to get kicked out from the AppStore by Apple.
 
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Obviously they don't "happily pay 30% to Apple" or else they wouldn't be complaining to regulators.

When did I say Apple not demanding a commission will lead to lower prices? You're right, it probably won't. What I said was that it is a bad thing for Apple to have this kind of developer relations. Maybe Apple hasn't been hurt by it yet but they could be in the future.

If 30% was too much, developers would not be making iOS apps.

Fact is, Apple consumers are the most profitable user base and that is why everybody happily pays the 30% commission to Apple.

Those dating apps that are complaining are simply greedy. They want to their products to be in a prime location for the most profitable consumers for free.

The only people who should be complaining about Apple is Netflix and Microsoft (for cloud gaming).
 
The cheapest option would be to pull their phones out of the Netherlands. What they (the Netherlands) do not seem to understand is that Apple brings in business, thus the country is to receive taxes on said business, thus, both parties win.
What you don't seem to understand is Apple isn't a petty forum member, they have shareholders to answer to, stop with the pull out BS, it's getting stupid now.
 
It is not about payment processors. Payments are safe.

Imagine:
App will sell you "full license" to something. However, It will not deliver any features at all. You paid using external payment system. Now what?

Another scenario:
You buy something digitally, use it, but you anyway complain that it is not what you expected to Apple. Apple refund your purchase. Developer loose money.

Can external payment processor be able to help both sides?
You make it sound like Apple is the only company on the world that processes refunds. It is not!
 
If 30% was too much, developers would not be making iOS apps.

Fact is, Apple consumers are the most profitable user base and that is why everybody happily pays the 30% commission to Apple.

Those dating apps that are complaining are simply greedy. They want to their products to be in a prime location for the most profitable consumers for free.

The only people who should be complaining about Apple is Netflix and Microsoft (for cloud gaming).
They’re making iOS Apps because Apple has monopoly/duopoly on the mobile phone sector.
 
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Please, all developers happily pay 30% to Apple, because the iOS platform is the most profitable platform there is.

Do you honestly believe those greedy developers who want to access to Apple consumers (who pay the most) for free, will lower their prices by 30% if they don’t have to pay 30% anymore. They will keep prices the same.
They happily pay? Apparently NOT.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Dream on (all)LOL, they pay 30% +99$€£ because there is no way around the Apple Mafia. How can you say “all” if actually there are developers suing Apple.

Anyway, many of them don’t raise their voices, because they fear to get kicked out from the AppStore by Apple.

Why are they still in the App Store then? If they hate the 30% so much, they would have quit iOS a long time ago.

They happily pay the 30% to Apple because they earn more on iOS than on Android.

They are complaining because of greed. They want to be in the prime location for the most profitable user base for free.
 
Why are they still in the App Store then? If they hate the 30% so much, they would have quit iOS a long time ago.

They happily pay the 30% to Apple because they earn more on iOS than on Android.

They are complaining because of greed. They want to be in the prime location for the most profitable user base for free.
Read up…
 
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Why are they still in the App Store then? If they hate the 30% so much, they would have quit iOS a long time ago.

They happily pay the 30% to Apple because they earn more on iOS than on Android.

They are complaining because of greed. They want to be in the prime location for the most profitable user base for free.
They aren't in the App store for free, they paid the developer fees, that's....free? In what world?
 
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