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I really don't get the point you're trying to make, healthy diet (diet as in overall intake of macros/micro nutrients not "a diet" as in a short term fad) and an active lifestyle are key component of a health lifestyle. If these classes / workouts are part of that then they are a positive. No one (that i've seen) is making the point that you can eat junk food all day and do one workout a month and be ok.

When you go from an inactive lifestyle it takes around 6 weeks to relearn new habits, they can also assist with the period.

Also i fundamentally disagree the people simply consume "too much food and sugar", it's much more about eating the wrong foods which leads to overconsumption, the root cause in most case is food choice not food volume.
No, it’s the volume. You can eat sugar, just not 64oz of Coke per day.

Food consumption is a lot faster calorie gain than exercise can burn those calories. Starting with eating less is a better start than working out to try to burn off said coke.
 
No, it’s the volume. You can eat sugar, just not 64oz of Coke per day.

Food consumption is a lot faster calorie gain than exercise can burn those calories. Starting with eating less is a better start than working out to try to burn off said coke.
I never said you can’t eat sugar, and study after study have shown that filling your diet with more plant based (not necessarily vegan) increases fibre and reduces hunger, simply calorie counting and being hungry will almost always fail as it relies on ‘will power’ which is really poor, so it isn’t a simple volume issue. I agree it fundamentally a calories in vs calories out but just eating less of unhealthy food won’t work for most people.
 
I never said you can’t eat sugar, and study after study have shown that filling your diet with more plant based (not necessarily vegan) increases fibre and reduces hunger, simply calorie counting and being hungry will almost always fail as it relies on ‘will power’ which is really poor, so it isn’t a simple volume issue. I agree it fundamentally a calories in vs calories out but just eating less of unhealthy food won’t work for most people.
People are hungry all the time bc they have eaten too much volume.

I never said plant based diets aren’t good. The most important thing is to cut volume and retrain your body.
 
Hope they announced it with new hardware: small Apple TV and HomePod update!! They’re both sold out at most stores in my region.
 
No, it’s the volume. You can eat sugar, just not 64oz of Coke per day.

Food consumption is a lot faster calorie gain than exercise can burn those calories. Starting with eating less is a better start than working out to try to burn off said coke.
But it’s not an either/or, which is what you’ve been missing this entire thread.
 
I am genuinely surprised how much outside motivation people need to take care of their own bodies.

I‘m not surprised this take is unpopular. I do hope Fitness+ is successful, but it’s just another workout program and diet kick people go on and ultimately quit or don’t use.
You must live a pretty cushy life or are just out of touch. Most people are working long hours at stressful jobs and trying to manage family schedules. Singles parents etc. Most people are exhausted and out of time before they even think of exercising.
 
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You must live a pretty cushy life or are just out of touch. Most people are working long hours at stressful jobs and trying to manage family schedules. Singles parents etc. Most people are exhausted and out of time before they even think of exercising.
Excuses. Typical. You don’t know me. You make time for what matters, period.
 
Wondering if there will be any activity specific workouts: for golf, baseball, tennis, etc.?
 
Wondering if there will be any activity specific workouts: for golf, baseball, tennis, etc.?
I doubt there would be specific sport workouts. Definitely cardio, treadmill, stationary bike, weights, etc.

What I'm curious about is 2 people with apple watches working out together. Can we both have stats displayed on the screen?
 
I doubt there would be specific sport workouts. Definitely cardio, treadmill, stationary bike, weights, etc.

What I'm curious about is 2 people with apple watches working out together. Can we both have stats displayed on the screen?
Why do you doubt it?
 
I am genuinely surprised how much outside motivation people need to take care of their own bodies.

I‘m not surprised this take is unpopular. I do hope Fitness+ is successful, but it’s just another workout program and diet kick people go on and ultimately quit or don’t use.
Haha. Then I guess you aren’t into fitness. Why do body builders need trainers? Why do casual gym members still pay for third party trainers? Why do stay at him cooks use video tutorials? Your question is so irrelevant that you might as well as why people eat sugar and drink boos knowing that it is harmful to their health.
If there is any criticism to be made, it’s the value of the service and if Apple Fitness + is compelling. Your question being “unpopular” isn’t any more applicable to Apple Fitness + (or any other fitness training tutorial) than your comment.
 
I'm not sure what a tennis or baseball specific workout would even look like. One that could be done indoors. I think the market for those type of workouts on Fitness+ would be small.
There are a lot of products out there for activity specific workouts. I would imagine that the Yoga or core fitness programs may focus on sport specific workouts. Not that it would be a major selling point, but yoga for golfers has become a pretty big thing.
 
So I've struggled with my weight most of my life. In my adult life I've weighed as little as 150 lbs. (college) and as much as 285 lbs. (last February). Most of the time I've been bouncing back and forth. Speaking for myself, weight loss and maintenance is entirely a head game. Many of us grow up without proper role models of or guidance for proper nutrition and exercise. We're taught to clean our plates, even if we're not hungry. Mindless snacking in front of a television is the norm and not the exception. Insanely huge portion sizes have been normalized to the point that no one recognizes what a "serving" of something looks like. And even those who successfully lose weight have trouble keeping it off for a few reasons. 1) The solution for too many is a diet, which is seen as temporary. 2) When we "fall off the wagon" and overindulge, we become afraid of the scale. 3) This head-in-the-sand approach continues because we convince ourselves that we've gained 30 lbs. back and what's the point in trying. 4) We withdraw socially, because we're afraid others will judge us harshly. We convince ourselves that other people can see our "failure" and will say, "Oh I knew he'd never keep it off." We then feel guilty and deal with the guilt by seeking comfort in food.

Of course none of this is true. I've just been through this. About 3 weeks off my plan and I had every single one of those thought distortions. I got on the scale again yesterday. I had gained about 6 lbs. of the 70 lbs. I'd lost since February. Not a major setback. For me the key is weighing daily and recording everything and increasing my level of activity. That last part has been a little more challenging as the weather turns colder and gyms have moved to appointment-only due to COVID-19. In anticipation of Apple Fitness+ launching, I bought a spin bike and put it in my living room facing my Apple TV. I am looking forward to spin classes. And while the motivation ultimately has to come from within, you have to find something that works for you. I've done live spin classes at gyms in the past and found them effective. The integration between my Apple Watch and Apple TV, I believe, will help with staying motivated to complete my rings daily. And on the days when I don't feel like spinning, there are other workouts I can do.

Weight loss seems like a simple numerical formula, but it is way more complicated than that--for many reasons. The reductive conversations seen here only serve to make people for whom fitness doesn't come naturally feel "less than" those who don't have the same struggle.
 
There are a lot of products out there for activity specific workouts. I would imagine that the Yoga or core fitness programs may focus on sport specific workouts. Not that it would be a major selling point, but yoga for golfers has become a pretty big thing.
I may be wrong, but I see Fitness+ as being more of a general fitness thing. Maybe they'll expand to specific sport exercises in the future. I think initially it will be a lot of dance cardio, lower body dumbbells, relaxing yoga, etc
 
Haha. Then I guess you aren’t into fitness. Why do body builders need trainers? Why do casual gym members still pay for third party trainers? Why do stay at him cooks use video tutorials? Your question is so irrelevant that you might as well as why people eat sugar and drink boos knowing that it is harmful to their health.
If there is any criticism to be made, it’s the value of the service and if Apple Fitness + is compelling. Your question being “unpopular” isn’t any more applicable to Apple Fitness + (or any other fitness training tutorial) than your comment.
Keeping yourself in reasonable shape and healthy isn’t the same as body building, but OK.
 
So I've struggled with my weight most of my life. In my adult life I've weighed as little as 150 lbs. (college) and as much as 285 lbs. (last February). Most of the time I've been bouncing back and forth. Speaking for myself, weight loss and maintenance is entirely a head game. Many of us grow up without proper role models of or guidance for proper nutrition and exercise. We're taught to clean our plates, even if we're not hungry. Mindless snacking in front of a television is the norm and not the exception. Insanely huge portion sizes have been normalized to the point that no one recognizes what a "serving" of something looks like. And even those who successfully lose weight have trouble keeping it off for a few reasons. 1) The solution for too many is a diet, which is seen as temporary. 2) When we "fall off the wagon" and overindulge, we become afraid of the scale. 3) This head-in-the-sand approach continues because we convince ourselves that we've gained 30 lbs. back and what's the point in trying. 4) We withdraw socially, because we're afraid others will judge us harshly. We convince ourselves that other people can see our "failure" and will say, "Oh I knew he'd never keep it off." We then feel guilty and deal with the guilt by seeking comfort in food.

Of course none of this is true. I've just been through this. About 3 weeks off my plan and I had every single one of those thought distortions. I got on the scale again yesterday. I had gained about 6 lbs. of the 70 lbs. I'd lost since February. Not a major setback. For me the key is weighing daily and recording everything and increasing my level of activity. That last part has been a little more challenging as the weather turns colder and gyms have moved to appointment-only due to COVID-19. In anticipation of Apple Fitness+ launching, I bought a spin bike and put it in my living room facing my Apple TV. I am looking forward to spin classes. And while the motivation ultimately has to come from within, you have to find something that works for you. I've done live spin classes at gyms in the past and found them effective. The integration between my Apple Watch and Apple TV, I believe, will help with staying motivated to complete my rings daily. And on the days when I don't feel like spinning, there are other workouts I can do.

Weight loss seems like a simple numerical formula, but it is way more complicated than that--for many reasons. The reductive conversations seen here only serve to make people for whom fitness doesn't come naturally feel "less than" those who don't have the same struggle.
Good post. I'll add to the bolded part something I've told others ever since finding what works for me, many years ago (running): It's really, really hard to maintain (long term) a consistent fitness regimen just because it's good for you. Yes that can be part of it, but it's going to be a constant struggle unless you find a fitness activity that you genuinely enjoy.
 
I may be wrong, but I see Fitness+ as being more of a general fitness thing. Maybe they'll expand to specific sport exercises in the future. I think initially it will be a lot of dance cardio, lower body dumbbells, relaxing yoga, etc
I think you're right. But they're promising to add new workouts every week, so it wouldn't surprise me for them to make activity specific workouts part of the curated offerings as time goes by.
 
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